Ranged Weapons and Weapon Creation - Page 7

Bennyboy · 6th July 2009, 07:36

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Originally Posted by Pookums

There was another video that I've been attempting to find but had no luck - there was a series of programs on the History Channel called "warriors" and in the one about the English Knights they actually did a comparison. One guy was wielding the traditional longbow and another using a windlass crossbow. Apparently it's no longer on the History Channel website...or if it is, I can't find it. Which is a shame because it would validate my point.

This may be the one you where looking for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7g-0-RK3cjk

It's from a series called Weapons That Made Britain, I believe it showed on either the History or Military Channel.

Zutha · 6th July 2009, 16:06

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Originally Posted by Mats Persson

The damage from an arrow will decrease according to velocity or range, meaning hitting a nearby target will do more damage than hitting one at a greater distance.

Hi Mats,

Just a quick question regarding this... if damage is done based on velocity, and in terms of physics and mathematics theory (as far as i can remember it)....

taking your example of firing up, at the point of it leaving the bow, to the point of it coming back down the velocity should be the same (excluding wind resistance and other factors etc etc)... but it still should be that far all

So does archery:

a) Flat out decrease in damage based on flight time...(maybe because it would be the easiest option and better for balancing)

b) Depends on arrow velocity based on physics and not flight time.

c) A mix of a) and b) where wind resistance (well flight time) is calculated in with b).

Been years since i done this so forgive me if i'm wrong

Bennyboy · 6th July 2009, 20:48

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Originally Posted by Zutha

taking your example of firing up, at the point of it leaving the bow, to the point of it coming back down the velocity should be the same (excluding wind resistance and other factors etc etc)... but it still should be that far all

Correct (if you excluded air resistance), but since MO will be realistic the Devs will be sure to incorperate wind resistance/velocity decay into arrow ballistics. Wind resistance makes a huge differance with an arrows velocity!!! It is extreamly noticalbe especially at 50+ meters.

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Originally Posted by Zutha

So does archery:

a) Flat out decrease in damage based on flight time...(maybe because it would be the easiest option and better for balancing)

Yes it will, just like in real life; the longer an arrow is in flight, the less velocity/kinetic energy it will have.

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Originally Posted by Zutha

So does archery:
b) Depends on arrow velocity based on physics and not flight time.

Flight time has everything to do with physics, not exactly sure what your question is, but angle of fire and flight time will both effect an arrows velocity.

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Originally Posted by Zutha

c) A mix of a) and b) where wind resistance (well flight time) is calculated in with b).

Again I'm confused by your question, wind resistance effects the arrow as soon as it's fired...

This document shows how the drag for an arrow is calculated.... the Devs will probably use a similar if not exact formula to determin deceleration of an arrow.

The big question is Deceleration going to have a constant number across all arrows, or will the mass/surface areas of arrows effect their flight just as in real life.

Zutha · 7th July 2009, 10:59

I failed anyrate as i didn't read the whole post to see this was mentioned....

So... no news here... carry on :P

oh and nice document.

Arian13 · 18th July 2009, 16:48

Nice infos, i'm going to be a doctoress so! for those who shoots themselves

Thyariol · 19th July 2009, 09:32

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Originally Posted by Bennyboy

This document ....

... is scaring me to death...

HokutenZodiac · 19th July 2009, 09:48

i just thought how funny it would be to run into a hail of arrow fire

Looleefish · 19th July 2009, 20:43

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Originally Posted by ThePatriotGame

A bow would craft like any other weapon I guess, you'd have the main part of the bow, the string and whatever

If the devs wanted bowmaking and fletching to have anywhere near the possibilities of the other weapon making options they'd have to stress every possibility. Things like being able to choose the wood, size, type (Composite, Compound, Self, etc), backing material, resin used for the backing material, the string, you get the picture.

Just a thought to make it so that bow-users out there won't feel neglected

Artorius · 22nd July 2009, 15:54

Invinsible arrows is very disapointing to me. Lets just hope they will find a way to let us see it. Plus, I do not understand how a player can have his sword collide with an arrow if its invinsible...

With that said. Everything else sounds awesome. I'm very looking forward shooting volley at an ennemy group

Hey, I'm not an expert but I'm curious, why is it possible in an online FPS like BF2 for example to have 32vs32 and still see grenades in the air and such things ? I guess the technology for a MMO and FPS is very different and obviously, MMO are of much larger scale but thats still ONLINE fps, not Solo FPS. Just curious.

blurboy137 · 22nd July 2009, 20:15

Arturius he said the sword hitting an arrow was a very small chance. If the sword is in the way of the arrow it will get hit instead.

DaveMS · 22nd July 2009, 23:59

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Originally Posted by Artorius

Hey, I'm not an expert but I'm curious, why is it possible in an online FPS like BF2 for example to have 32vs32 and still see grenades in the air and such things ? I guess the technology for a MMO and FPS is very different and obviously, MMO are of much larger scale but thats still ONLINE fps, not Solo FPS. Just curious.

I'd say it's something to do with the numbers. A maximum of 64 players in BF2 needs to be sent data about the position of the projectile, compared to possibly thousands (if they are all in viewing distance, yeah its unlikely!) in an MMO.

Thor Janick · 24th July 2009, 15:45

oke basicly all i have to say is dodging high speed arrows is not that hard to do when you see the arrows.

i used to play gor in second life like 16 hours a day ( oke kinda sad but stil)

ther you shoot arrows with 1.2 arrows a second and some of thoos things travelt as fast as a bulit .

but by looking at the archer and seeing the arrows leave ther bows.

you could swiftly make a fast turn to avoid the arrow from hitting.

or when when you sow the arrow coming from his bow you could stop moving knowing the guy was aiming infront of you.
ofcors this took me 3 years of practise and you cant do it drunk cos you need to concentrate ( oke i admit i tryd doing it drunk)

but seeing the arrow saved my ass more then i know even in close combat.

further more they have arrows made from prims ther and the prim just flys over the land dont know or thats usfull info but i thought i would mention it

P.S. developers great work a game like this i been waiting for for years.
and if the promises are lived up to ( not the extreme expectations) i will most sertainly order it asap and be a very dedicated player.

Titus80 · 24th July 2009, 21:35

I say lets stop worrying about the invisible factor and things like that. This game acctually makes it so you aim for where youre target will be not just target character A spamm 1 key over and over and the arrows will hit. That is an awesome feature in an MMO in it's self.

whynot1000 · 27th July 2009, 03:26

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Originally Posted by Mr Winter

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Artorius Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Quebec Rep Power: 9	Invinsible arrows is very disapointing to me. Lets just hope they will find a way to let us see it. Plus, I do not understand how a player can have his sword collide with an arrow if its invinsible... With that said. Everything else sounds awesome. I'm very looking forward shooting volley at an ennemy group Hey, I'm not an expert but I'm curious, why is it possible in an online FPS like BF2 for example to have 32vs32 and still see grenades in the air and such things ? I guess the technology for a MMO and FPS is very different and obviously, MMO are of much larger scale but thats still ONLINE fps, not Solo FPS. Just curious. Last edited by Artorius : 22nd July 2009 at 17:05.

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Titus80 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Ohio, U.S. Rep Power: 1	I say lets stop worrying about the invisible factor and things like that. This game acctually makes it so you aim for where youre target will be not just target character A spamm 1 key over and over and the arrows will hit. That is an awesome feature in an MMO in it's self. __________________ Relax this will only hurt a little.

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Zutha Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Bristol, UK Age: 28 Rep Power: 2	I failed anyrate as i didn't read the whole post to see this was mentioned.... So... no news here... carry on :P oh and nice document.

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blurboy137 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2009 Rep Power: 1	Arturius he said the sword hitting an arrow was a very small chance. If the sword is in the way of the arrow it will get hit instead.

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Thor Janick Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Rep Power: 1	oke basicly all i have to say is dodging high speed arrows is not that hard to do when you see the arrows. i used to play gor in second life like 16 hours a day ( oke kinda sad but stil) ther you shoot arrows with 1.2 arrows a second and some of thoos things travelt as fast as a bulit . but by looking at the archer and seeing the arrows leave ther bows. you could swiftly make a fast turn to avoid the arrow from hitting. or when when you sow the arrow coming from his bow you could stop moving knowing the guy was aiming infront of you. ofcors this took me 3 years of practise and you cant do it drunk cos you need to concentrate ( oke i admit i tryd doing it drunk) but seeing the arrow saved my ass more then i know even in close combat. further more they have arrows made from prims ther and the prim just flys over the land dont know or thats usfull info but i thought i would mention it P.S. developers great work a game like this i been waiting for for years. and if the promises are lived up to ( not the extreme expectations) i will most sertainly order it asap and be a very dedicated player.