preorder prices, cancels and others - Page 3

cybin · 9th June 2009, 19:23

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Originally Posted by Mats Persson

The shop will be accepting Visa Electron, Visa, Maestro, Mastercard, JCB, American Express, Delta Online, Carte Bleu. We are currently working to enable PayPal and Ukash, more info on this later.

You mentioned Maestro. Are you talking about those cards ?

http://www.maestrokarte.de/index.html

If yes, it is part of a usual 'EC'-Card and I'm fine with it. Otherwise there is no pre-order for me too, because I don't have and want a credit card. And paypal is no option for me since my last try to pay via my paypal-account.

cheers..

Dave · 9th June 2009, 20:15

Well I know for a Digital Download only I will pass on a price higher than $40 US. That is the version I am interested in. But for the boxed version I would top out at $60 US.

Genghis Khan · 9th June 2009, 20:53

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Originally Posted by makarena

I think that pre-order system is worthless for us - players. We always must wait longer for the product than producer promises , sometimes a few months.

It's not worthless to us if they can afford better servers with enough pre-orders.

Geograd · 9th June 2009, 21:01

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Originally Posted by Laserus

Um isn't 50 euro is like 70 us, and wasn't Darkfall only 42 euro? someone please tell me I misunderstood the price.

In a financial document of SV's I believe it was stated that the game would cost 300SEK and the monthly would be 110SEK which equals $38.10 and $14. This might have changed.

cybin · 9th June 2009, 21:05

I think that the approach to setup new servers when a server's limit has been reached, is the best. Almost every new mmorpg started with a bunch of servers, just to merge them after a month because the player-base were not that big to fill them. As MO truly base on player-interactions there is a need to meet other players. Well, it's a delicate thing to keep the balance to not make the servers 'crowded' by too many people. But I prefer it that way than to close 12 servers because there are 100 people left on them.

Anyway, new servers have to being setup 'just-in-time' to let people fill them with life. People will pay for MO to play and not to see some '000.001 people left to create new server'-message. ;-)

So balance is all what counts then...

Snikers · 9th June 2009, 21:44

There's two things that has either been left unsaid or then I've just missed them.
Concerning the digital download, will we be able to you programs like bittorrent or other torrent-programs?
I can't see the problem as long as SV keeps up their seeding as their servers would do even in the case that we would only be able tp download it directly using our browsers. The only difference should be that we can help each others with the files that we've already got.

Second thing is wether we'll be able to download the beta before the shop goes live. This would ofcourse mean that they already have the beta version ready a couple of days before but it would make sense to believe that they have been planning to be ready atleast some days before the 29th just incase something unexpected occurs.
In short it'd save alot of time, depending on the size of the beta, if we would be able to download it before we bought our accounts but perhaps they think that the myrland continent aint too big to cause any trouble

LockBlade · 9th June 2009, 21:48

To be honest, what ever happens happens. There is little , or nothing we can do about it right now. PATIENCE GRASSHOPPA.

Geograd · 9th June 2009, 21:49

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Originally Posted by Snikers

There's two things that has either been left unsaid or then I've just missed them.
Concerning the digital download, will we be able to you programs like bittorrent or other torrent-programs?
I can't see the problem as long as SV keeps up their seeding as their servers would do even in the case that we would only be able tp download it directly using our browsers. The only difference should be that we can help each others with the files that we've already got.

Second thing is wether we'll be able to download the beta before the shop goes live. This would ofcourse mean that they already have the beta version ready a couple of days before but it would make sense to believe that they have been planning to be ready atleast some days before the 29th just incase something unexpected occurs.
In short it'd save alot of time, depending on the size of the beta, if we would be able to download it before we bought our accounts but perhaps they think that the myrland continent aint too big to cause any trouble

1st, you can set up a torrent just as well as SV can after you download the file. I'd rather SV not host a torrent and have their servers be swamped.

2nd, you will be able to download the beta AFTER you pay them, they've said that many times. Also, just because you get a pre-order doesn't allow you in the beta right away. They will be allowing in 2,000 people in waves. The first wave probably won't be for at least a week after the store opens. So you'll have time to download the beta.

Regicide · 9th June 2009, 23:23

Yeah, they said the first wave of 2k wont come until the 6th. You dont get access to beta the instant you buy it. They gotta proccess the orders first.

And for those arguing about the price, its kind of annoying, especially that we dont even know the exact price and everyones throwing around numbers. Calm down. I dont know about some of you id be more than happy to give a bit more that the standard price. You guys are going crazy over like 10 or 20 bucks. If thats really such a difference maybe you guys should be more focused on getting a better job than playing video games.

Placebo · 10th June 2009, 00:33

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Originally Posted by Mats Persson

You got a boxed Darkfall?

No, what I said was I paid $55 for darkfall, and that is the maximum I will pay for [any] box in the US. Most are only $49.99. So I don't think many will be too keen to pay $70.

I think people are missing the point that games don't sell for $70 in the US unless they are some collectors addition. Are you saying the the box of MO will cost $70 and the digital download will be $55? Otherwise it won't be cheaper or on par with Darkfall at all for US players.

Kamisama · 10th June 2009, 01:30

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No, what I said was I paid $55 for darkfall, and that is the maximum I will pay for [any] box in the US. Most are only $49.99. So I don't think many will be too keen to pay $70.

I think people are missing the point that games don't sell for $70 in the US unless they are some collectors addition. Are you saying the the box of MO will cost $70 and the digital download will be $55? Otherwise it won't be cheaper or on par with Darkfall at all for US players.

Since When VAT has been introduced in United State ?

In EU we have VAT, it's a tax that cost 19,6% on all products. So we pay 50€ in EU, you pay 50$ in US

Geograd · 10th June 2009, 01:32

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Originally Posted by Kamisama

Since When VAT has been introduced in United State ?

In EU we have VAT, it's a tax that cost 19,6% on all products. So we pay 50€ in EU, you pay 50$ in US

Yep, VAT sucks.

Kamisama · 10th June 2009, 01:37

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Originally Posted by Geograd

Yep, VAT sucks.

Well we have VAT, but we have welfare government ...

Placebo · 10th June 2009, 01:38

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Originally Posted by Kamisama

Since When VAT has been introduced in United State ?

In EU we have VAT, it's a tax that cost 19,6% on all products. So we pay 50€ in EU, you pay 50$ in US

This is the question.

Is it going to be 50€ for US players ($70) or is it going to be (50€ - 19,6%) ($55)?

That makes a huge difference for us, because yes we shouldn't be paying VAT if we are not getting the welfare out of it

.

gotorobart · 10th June 2009, 01:43

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Originally Posted by Kamisama

Since When VAT has been introduced in United State ?

In EU we have VAT, it's a tax that cost 19,6% on all products. So we pay 50€ in EU, you pay 50$ in US

id have to say ima have a hard time laying down the 70$ for this..

in CAN we have taxes and i didn't see anything about the game price saying it was after taxes so you might wanna check that cause it will be like 60 Euros for u guys to then...

one quick question to.. do your prices include taxes in posted price or are prices written like in CAN where games are usally $49.99+tax(6-15%)??

Talime · 10th June 2009, 01:54

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Originally Posted by cybin

You mentioned Maestro. Are you talking about those cards ?

http://www.maestrokarte.de/index.html

If yes, it is part of a usual 'EC'-Card and I'm fine with it. Otherwise there is no pre-order for me too, because I don't have and want a credit card. And paypal is no option for me since my last try to pay via my paypal-account.

cheers..

ahhh that´s a good question, i would know too.

Kamisama · 10th June 2009, 02:17

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Originally Posted by Placebo

This is the question.

Is it going to be 50€ for US players ($70) or is it going to be (50€ - 19,6%) ($55)?

That makes a huge difference for us, because yes we shouldn't be paying VAT if we are not getting the welfare out of it

.

55$ obviously.

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one quick question to.. do your prices include taxes in posted price or are prices written like in CAN where games are usally $49.99+tax(6-15%)??

In France at least all prices are All Taxes Included. Don't know for other EU countries but it should be the same.

Placebo · 10th June 2009, 02:48

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Originally Posted by Kamisama

55$ obviously.

In France at least all prices are All Taxes Included. Don't know for other EU countries but it should be the same.

If this is true then I don't see what the big deal is. It feels like the devs are trying to justify Americans having to pay $70, instead of just tell them they will actually only pay $55 because they do not pay VAT.

Things are always harder than they need to be though I guess.

Kamisama · 10th June 2009, 03:03

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If this is true then I don't see what the big deal is.

nothing, usually in europe we tell the price we actually pay, so including taxes, so when one say 50€, 9 times out of 10 it will 50€-including-VAT.

50€ is the darkfall price includig vat, otherwise it's ~40€ without vat ... or american people pay 50$ yes ? so you can obviously deduce that when he said under 50€, it means under 50$ for you.

Regicide · 10th June 2009, 04:08

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Originally Posted by Kamisama

55$ obviously.

How the hell would you know the price already for the game?
The devs have yet to release an official price for any of the 3 available options (digital, box, or collectors). The price you gave is only a guesstimate, it may or may not be the actual price. Just wait for another week or 2 until they release the price. I dont see why people are whining about the price when you dont even know what the price is yet.

And Placebo, id be more than happy to pay 70$ for the game, even 80 if i had to. SV isnt really that large of a company and seeing as how they are the first gaming company that i have ever seen that actually cares about theyre players and making a amazing game, id be glad to make sure they are rewarded for it. All the other companys dont care about giving you a good game, they only make sure that you keep playing and paying them to play.

Placebo · 10th June 2009, 04:43

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Originally Posted by Regicide

And Placebo, id be more than happy to pay 70$ for the game, even 80 if i had to. SV isnt really that large of a company and seeing as how they are the first gaming company that i have ever seen that actually cares about theyre players and making a amazing game, id be glad to make sure they are rewarded for it. All the other companys dont care about giving you a good game, they only make sure that you keep playing and paying them to play.

Can I ask if you played Darkfall? I mean no offense, just that many of us felt the same way about Darkfall and it's creators. We wanted to support them and were willing to pay more. Than we found out the endless list of features they told us were in were out, and were not going to be in at all or at least anytime soon. We found out a lot of things we had blatently been misled on (release / beta / trial / pre orders / no housing / laggy sieges / lame node gathering / stupidly easy crafting / etc). Forgive me for just wanting to be sure that history does not repeat itself.

I just want to know that if I pay $70, I will be getting something accuratley outlined at release. If I pay $55, I am more willing to accept a few things missing here or there with the promise that they will come soon.

Tooby · 10th June 2009, 04:50

Think about us Canadians too! O.o It's even more than 70 dollars for us.. >.>

Kamisama · 10th June 2009, 10:05

I don't say it will cost 55$ i say that what mats said by "under 50€" for us equals to "under 55$" for you

Mercerism · 10th June 2009, 10:15

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Originally Posted by Kebab

Is Mortal Online shop verfied by visa?
(aka do I have to call my bank to tell them that I haven't been robbed and yes MO is purchase I made)

I have visa and I never have to call my bank----
No matter whether I buy in a tiny kiosk in Africa or on some Chinese website...

Lyllyth · 10th June 2009, 10:54

http://www.google.com/finance?q=EURUSD
So, at the time of this posting, 1 EUR = 1.4126 USD
So, 50€ = $70.63 (that was a reference to Darkfall's price)
I'm accustomed to paying $30 - $50 for a game, 21.24€ - 35.40€

Kamisama · 10th June 2009, 11:12

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Originally Posted by Lyllyth

http://www.google.com/finance?q=EURUSD
So, at the time of this posting, 1 EUR = 1.4126 USD
So, 50€ = $70.63 (that was a reference to Darkfall's price)
I'm accustomed to paying $30 - $50 for a game, 21.24€ - 35.40€

please read above, you don't pay VAT, 50€ is the price of darkfall VAT included

Gungrave · 10th June 2009, 11:13

50 euro for a digital download was just insulting (Darkfall). Currently in Bulgaria i can get AoC+WAR+WoW+LOTRO+all expansions for around 70 euro.. not that i want to, but still.

Anciegher · 10th June 2009, 14:05

Hehe, now you US people will feel how expensive games really are in Europe compared to USA. A new game in a store in sweden is 599kr -> 59.99€ sometimes even up to 69.99€. Prices for games here in europe are rediculous to say the least.

Luckily the prices have been the same since the early 90s and have not increased with inflation. I remember back in the SNES days new games could cost up to 899kr. o_O

Regicide · 10th June 2009, 15:26

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Can I ask if you played Darkfall? I mean no offense, just that many of us felt the same way about Darkfall and it's creators. We wanted to support them and were willing to pay more. Than we found out the endless list of features they told us were in were out, and were not going to be in at all or at least anytime soon. We found out a lot of things we had blatently been misled on (release / beta / trial / pre orders / no housing / laggy sieges / lame node gathering / stupidly easy crafting / etc). Forgive me for just wanting to be sure that history does not repeat itself.

I just want to know that if I pay $70, I will be getting something accuratley outlined at release. If I pay $55, I am more willing to accept a few things missing here or there with the promise that they will come soon.

Hmm i guess your right. I never was a Darkfall follower so i guess i couldnt understand the whol situation. However the reason i say i trust these guys is because the devs are so responsive to the community. How many games do you get to talk to head honcho behind the making of the game and on a regular basis. Plus Mats replies not only to some posts but alot of them and his answers seem really in-depth and descriptive.

Seeing as how i dont know how darkfall forums were i cant really tell you much but i feel like these guys will be fully able to deliver the game they said they would. If you dont feel comfortable buying the game theres nothing wrong with waiting. You dont have the buy the game on the 29th. Wait until the NDA is lifted and see what people have to say, then make a decision.

Ziegler · 10th June 2009, 15:43

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Forgive me for just wanting to be sure that history does not repeat itself.

I just want to know that if I pay $70, I will be getting something accuratley outlined at release. If I pay $55, I am more willing to accept a few things missing here or there with the promise that they will come soon.

No, you should have blind faith in these devs, cause they have such a long history of producing good quality games...oh ...wait......

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Originally Posted by Regicide

Hmm i guess your right. I never was a Darkfall follower so i guess i couldnt understand the whol situation. However the reason i say i trust these guys is because the devs are so responsive to the community. How many games do you get to talk to head honcho behind the making of the game and on a regular basis. Plus Mats replies not only to some posts but alot of them and his answers seem really in-depth and descriptive.

Seeing as how i dont know how darkfall forums were i cant really tell you much but i feel like these guys will be fully able to deliver the game they said they would. If you dont feel comfortable buying the game theres nothing wrong with waiting. You dont have the buy the game on the 29th. Wait until the NDA is lifted and see what people have to say, then make a decision.

If you had, you'd probably understand very well. I followed Age of Conan for a few years, and the lead Dev there had well over 1500 posts on the forums. We know how well it turned out. Community involvement =/= great game.

I'm glad you are comfortable paying full price(whatever that price ends up being) for something sight unseen. I cant, my daddy would rise up outta his grave and smack me in the back of the head. So we'll be expecting full reports from you on the progress and goodness of the beta.

Talime · 10th June 2009, 16:33

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Originally Posted by Mercerism

I have visa and I never have to call my bank----
No matter whether I buy in a tiny kiosk in Africa or on some Chinese website...

what have you bought on a chinese website O.O

Maverick123w · 10th June 2009, 17:51

Wow..... I went from being incredibly excited about preordering, to thinking about not doing it @ all.

Having to pay full price that isn't refundable reaks of fail.

gamon hogger · 10th June 2009, 19:06

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Originally Posted by Placebo

Forgive me for just wanting to be sure that history does not repeat itself.

http://www.mortalonline.com/feature/...-repeat-itself

confirmed

Melkorus · 10th June 2009, 19:09

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Originally Posted by Mats Persson

Having Darkfall as an example perhaps wasn't the best thing to do. Anyway, the price of Darkfall, taken today from their shop, is 49.98€.

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I paid $52 for Darkfall.

Geograd · 10th June 2009, 19:15

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Originally Posted by Melkorus

I'm not sure what you are talking about, but I paid $52 for Darkfall.

That's because you don't have to pay for VAT, so it's not just a straight conversion from pounds to usd.

Melkorus · 10th June 2009, 19:24

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Originally Posted by Geograd

That's because you don't have to pay for VAT, so it's not just a straight conversion from pounds to usd.

That's what's confusing. According to this thread BASE price for MO will be 50 euros and then +Vat for EU countries. Even without VAT that comes to $69.85 as of this post, which I gotta say is not attractive at all.

P.S. I don't care for boxed copy or special edition copy, digital download is what I'm interested in.

Geograd · 10th June 2009, 19:36

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Originally Posted by Melkorus

That's what's confusing. According to this thread BASE price for MO will be 50 euros and then +Vat for EU countries. Even without VAT that comes to $69.85 as of this post, which I gotta say is not attractive at all.

P.S. I don't care for boxed copy or special edition copy, digital download is what I'm interested in.

We don't know any prices yet. I can tell you though that it won't be $70. The limited edition might be $70, but not the digital download version.

Serro · 10th June 2009, 20:10

Since September 1st is when boxes are shipping, is it reasonable to assume that that date is the target release date for the game?

Geograd · 10th June 2009, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Serro

Since September 1st is when boxes are shipping, is it reasonable to assume that that date is the target release date for the game?

They will be shipping the boxes on Sep 1st, this means the servers will probably be up around that time. So yes.

Going "Gold" actually happens before the release of a game. It's usually when the first RC (Release Client) is finished.

gamon hogger · 10th June 2009, 20:27

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Originally Posted by Serro

Since September 1st is when boxes are shipping, is it reasonable to assume that that date is the target release date for the game?

from the 6th of july every 2 weeks there will be 2k beta invites to the 10k preorders

that means the last wave of beta invites will somewhere in the middle of septmber

so no 1september release date

9th June 2009, 23:23	#89 (permalink)
Regicide Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Rep Power: 3	Yeah, they said the first wave of 2k wont come until the 6th. You dont get access to beta the instant you buy it. They gotta proccess the orders first. And for those arguing about the price, its kind of annoying, especially that we dont even know the exact price and everyones throwing around numbers. Calm down. I dont know about some of you id be more than happy to give a bit more that the standard price. You guys are going crazy over like 10 or 20 bucks. If thats really such a difference maybe you guys should be more focused on getting a better job than playing video games. __________________

10th June 2009, 10:54	#105 (permalink)
Lyllyth Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Grand Rapids, MI Age: 34 Rep Power: 10	http://www.google.com/finance?q=EURUSD So, at the time of this posting, 1 EUR = 1.4126 USD So, 50€ = $70.63 (that was a reference to Darkfall's price) I'm accustomed to paying $30 - $50 for a game, 21.24€ - 35.40€ __________________ "...Fleeting, enshadowed, thou art privy to my sin. Secrets dead, wouldst thou inflict the cruel daylights upon my skin? Dost thou not want to worship me with crimson sacrifice, so my cunt may twitch against thy kiss and weep with new-found life?..." Cradle of Filth - A Gothic Romance (Red Roses for the Devil's Whore)

10th June 2009, 11:13	#107 (permalink)
Gungrave Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sofia Age: 30 Rep Power: 0	50 euro for a digital download was just insulting (Darkfall). Currently in Bulgaria i can get AoC+WAR+WoW+LOTRO+all expansions for around 70 euro.. not that i want to, but still. __________________ If God wanted you to live, he would not have created me!

10th June 2009, 14:05	#108 (permalink)
Anciegher Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Sweden Rep Power: 2	Hehe, now you US people will feel how expensive games really are in Europe compared to USA. A new game in a store in sweden is 599kr -> 59.99€ sometimes even up to 69.99€. Prices for games here in europe are rediculous to say the least. Luckily the prices have been the same since the early 90s and have not increased with inflation. I remember back in the SNES days new games could cost up to 899kr. o_O Last edited by Anciegher : 10th June 2009 at 14:26.

9th June 2009, 20:15	#82 (permalink)
Dave Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Rep Power: 2	Well I know for a Digital Download only I will pass on a price higher than $40 US. That is the version I am interested in. But for the boxed version I would top out at $60 US.

9th June 2009, 21:05	#85 (permalink)
cybin Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Goettingen, Germany Age: 34 Rep Power: 2	I think that the approach to setup new servers when a server's limit has been reached, is the best. Almost every new mmorpg started with a bunch of servers, just to merge them after a month because the player-base were not that big to fill them. As MO truly base on player-interactions there is a need to meet other players. Well, it's a delicate thing to keep the balance to not make the servers 'crowded' by too many people. But I prefer it that way than to close 12 servers because there are 100 people left on them. Anyway, new servers have to being setup 'just-in-time' to let people fill them with life. People will pay for MO to play and not to see some '000.001 people left to create new server'-message. ;-) So balance is all what counts then...

9th June 2009, 21:44	#86 (permalink)
Snikers Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Rep Power: 1	There's two things that has either been left unsaid or then I've just missed them. Concerning the digital download, will we be able to you programs like bittorrent or other torrent-programs? I can't see the problem as long as SV keeps up their seeding as their servers would do even in the case that we would only be able tp download it directly using our browsers. The only difference should be that we can help each others with the files that we've already got. Second thing is wether we'll be able to download the beta before the shop goes live. This would ofcourse mean that they already have the beta version ready a couple of days before but it would make sense to believe that they have been planning to be ready atleast some days before the 29th just incase something unexpected occurs. In short it'd save alot of time, depending on the size of the beta, if we would be able to download it before we bought our accounts but perhaps they think that the myrland continent aint too big to cause any trouble

9th June 2009, 21:48	#87 (permalink)
LockBlade Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Sometimes I wonder.... Age: 16 Rep Power: 0	To be honest, what ever happens happens. There is little , or nothing we can do about it right now. PATIENCE GRASSHOPPA.

10th June 2009, 04:50	#102 (permalink)
Tooby Newbie Join Date: May 2009 Rep Power: 1	Think about us Canadians too! O.o It's even more than 70 dollars for us.. >.>

10th June 2009, 17:51	#112 (permalink)
Maverick123w Newbie Join Date: Jan 2009 Rep Power: 2	Wow..... I went from being incredibly excited about preordering, to thinking about not doing it @ all. Having to pay full price that isn't refundable reaks of fail.

10th June 2009, 20:10	#118 (permalink)
Serro Newbie Join Date: Jun 2009 Rep Power: 0	Since September 1st is when boxes are shipping, is it reasonable to assume that that date is the target release date for the game?