preorder prices, cancels and others

Joszek · 5th June 2009, 21:03

I'll go straight forward:

1. will you post prices of digital download, boxed and collector's box before 29th ? I don't want to preorder a digital download version, when its price will be 5$/€ lower than boxed - even If I will be able to switch between them, as you mentioned in latest newsletter.

2. Will I be able to cancel my preorder ? It's not the same as forgetting about the game forever. Other things may occur, and I may not be able to pay at the day of billing.

3. It is being said, that preorder type of beta is a measure of overall interests in MO. What with those, who will only block the beta spot ?
Is there a possibility that you will secure 1-3k preorders for long time active forum members ?

4. beside paypal, there's a question about paying with debit cards - very popular in europe visa electrons. But is there eventually a chance to use money transfers ?

gotorobart · 5th June 2009, 21:49

1.There will probably be a difference in price because they would have to ship out the LE and the boxed versions.

2. im pretty sure that the second you click to agree to pay they will take the funds..(for one thing this was a self-funded game.. im guessing there running low on funds and the pre-order will be necessary for "world-wide" servers.) If all ur pre-ordering for is the beta your account will probably be banned if u cancel just fyi.

3. In most cases if your pre-ordering you want to be in beta.. and if not y not wait till release, cause then u can see user content and all that good stuff.

4. Im pretty sure u can tie ur debit card to your paypal account so, if paypal is accepted you should be fine.

Regicide · 5th June 2009, 21:55

sorry joszek i dont have an answer for you, just wanted to attach another question.

What time exactly on June 29th? and also what timezone? Is it just going to be 12am in Sweden then store opens?

Which brings me to the next issue. I faintly recall a slight overcrowding on the servers when the coutdown finished ;P . Do you think the server will be able to handle hundreds of orders in less than a minute? (especially since you said first-come-first-serve). I just want to make sure i can squeeze my order in the first 2k and not get booted cause of server lag.
Thanks

Lion1978 · 5th June 2009, 22:22

I fear more of those who buy like 10-20 or even more preorders and sell them when all 10k are sold out on E-Bay for double the price!

And yes Regicide. I´m sure the servers will crash in the first few minutes, like you said it happened when the countdown finished ....

Regicide · 6th June 2009, 05:55

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Originally Posted by Lion1978

I fear more of those who buy like 10-20 or even more preorders and sell them when all 10k are sold out on E-Bay for double the price!

Limit one purchase per credit card/paypal? Im sure that would slow em down. At least they wont get too many for the first 2k.

Keltic · 6th June 2009, 06:08

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Originally Posted by Regicide

Limit one purchase per credit card/paypal? Im sure that would slow em down. At least they wont get too many for the first 2k.

This.

The Maternix · 6th June 2009, 06:16

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Originally Posted by Regicide

Limit one purchase per credit card/paypal? Im sure that would slow em down. At least they wont get too many for the first 2k.

This.
Hopefully we don't see beta accounts floating around on ebay lol.

Joszek · 7th June 2009, 11:19

I forgot to ask one important thing: will you charge full price upon preordering or a small fee ?

Kaldrick · 7th June 2009, 11:33

I believe it was said, that game will cost full price.

Joszek · 7th June 2009, 11:48

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Originally Posted by Kaldrick

I believe it was said, that game will cost full price.

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All 10.000 users pre-ordering the game in any of the formats available will be given free access to the Beta Phases until the official launch of the game

I'm not convinced to bolded phrase.

Another question: only paypal and credit cards, or players will be able to pay using payment cards such as visa electron or money transfers ?

Psyknx · 8th June 2009, 17:37

Just add paybycash.com they have pretty much all cool payment options we/I want.
Ideal for holland - Instant bank transfer <3

Need official word on this

Zenir · 8th June 2009, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Joszek

I forgot to ask one important thing: will you charge full price upon preordering or a small fee ?

Full price... got no offical statement on that but i would bet money on it. Everything else makes absolutly no sense...

manestone · 8th June 2009, 18:18

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Originally Posted by Kaldrick

I believe it was said, that game will cost full price.

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Originally Posted by Talos

The Mortal Online store is now up and running
Support Mortal Online with a T-Shirt, Polo or Hood - or why not all of them? The T-Shirt comes with 4 different text options for the back. Check it out now!

Launch discount!
Until the 4th of October we’ll give you a discount on all our products. To get the discount, add your product, go to your cart and type in “MORTAL” into the coupon field.

I could be wrong but I think this discount can be used towards the pre-order.

NuadhU · 8th June 2009, 19:58

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Originally Posted by Lion1978

And yes Regicide. I´m sure the servers will crash in the first few minutes, like you said it happened when the countdown finished ....

I believe they said they wouldn't give us the time it opens, which in theory could solve that.. The counter crashed the site because all 20 billion of us hit refresh as soon as the counter hit 0 lol

Mats Persson · 8th June 2009, 20:02

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Originally Posted by Joszek

1. will you post prices of digital download, boxed and collector's box before 29th?

Sorry, but no. We want to make sure that we list the correct prices (we're not just randomly picking numbers) and we're actually still in the middle of arranging everything. It also has to do with our investors and company laws, as they need to be officially updated with this information on the 29th - which is why we chose this date.

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2. Will I be able to cancel my preorder?

No. The boxes will be released and shipped on September the 1st, only two months after the pre-order.

After looking at some of the comments on the forum I do realize there's some confusion around this. Different countries, publishers and/or stores seem to do this in different ways, and I'm truly sorry for the confusion. You will have to pay for the game the second you order it. The shop will of course state this information when it goes online. And it will go online before the 29th.

This is about the only way we can arrange this. We can guarantee 10000 active player accounts in Beta. If this turns out to be straight out impossible on one server, we have the option to start another one. But we can't start more unless we have the money to do it (and we won't start additional servers if there's no player base). And therefore we need the money from the pre-orders.

If all 10000 units are sold, it will be a very important confirmation for us. We will then have the funds (and financial motivation) to start more servers, to let more people in. But there will of course be a delay before those servers are up and running and accepting more players.

This means we can hopefully allow more than 10000 players before release, but we really do need those first 10000 to be able to take that step.

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3. It is being said, that preorder type of beta is a measure of overall interests in MO. What with those, who will only block the beta spot ?
Is there a possibility that you will secure 1-3k preorders for long time active forum members ?

Those already in Combat Beta will keep their spots in the future Beta stages, and several more are yet to be invited. However, those who are invited will still need to buy the game to be able to play the game from first day at launch. And the safest way to have a guaranteed spot at launch is to pre-order.

Regarding reserved pre-orders, I'm afraid this would require additional functions for both the shop and for the account management. This might sound like a small thing but I can assure you it's not. We will be using the major certified and secure MMO account service provider, and while very safe for both you and us, "exceptions" like this is conflicting with their usual way of doing things. Thus, it would be very expensive and require a lot of development time.

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4. beside paypal, there's a question about paying with debit cards - very popular in europe visa electrons. But is there eventually a chance to use money transfers ?

The shop will be accepting Visa Electron, Visa, Maestro, Mastercard, JCB, American Express, Delta Online, Carte Bleu. We are currently working to enable PayPal and Ukash, more info on this later.

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Originally Posted by Joszek

I forgot to ask one important thing: will you charge full price upon preordering or a small fee ?

We will ask full price.
In this phase we of course cannot compete with the prices and distribution of mass-market MMOs. Although we do aim to be at least a bit cheaper than Darkfall (Digital Only, 50€)

Joszek · 8th June 2009, 20:47

Thx Mats for clearing things up. Nice that you did not forget aboutvisa electron, as it opens the field for many gamers in central europe. Hope I'll be able to use it to pay monthly fees too, and those will be competitive as well (read as: helluva cheaper than rivals) ;P

ps. still no news about life time subscription ? :>

UK2MO · 8th June 2009, 21:26

Solid stuff Mats.

gamon hogger · 8th June 2009, 21:27

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Originally Posted by Mats Persson

The shop will be accepting Visa Electron, Visa, Maestro, Mastercard, JCB, American Express, Delta Online, Carte Bleu. We are currently working to enable PayPal and Ukash, more info on this later.

yay PayPal

i hope i can get it to work

Cradlejoe · 8th June 2009, 21:36

Thanks for the post Mats.

Talime · 8th June 2009, 22:03

thanks for clarification !

mhm no direct bankingi knew it, hopefully they get paypal work outherwise no preoder for me

TMT · 8th June 2009, 22:06

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Originally Posted by Talime

thanks for clarification !

mhm no debit cars i knew it, hopefully they get paypal work outherwise no preoder for me

Yes there is :

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The shop will be accepting Visa Electron, Visa, Maestro, Mastercard

Those can all be debit cards.

Talime · 8th June 2009, 22:11

i meant others ^-^sorry

those cards cost money as i see, this Visa Electron for exemple 39 € per year ... i need it only once -.-"

TMT · 8th June 2009, 22:12

Really? It doesn't cost anything in my country.

Talime · 8th June 2009, 22:15

hm i only googled for it ... ok i should search a bit more, yours is deffinetly free of fees?

TMT · 8th June 2009, 22:17

To be more precise it doesn't cost anything first year, then like 5$ a year. Depends on bank I guess.

Joszek · 8th June 2009, 22:20

Talime: almost all banks in europe offer their customers payment cards (mostly visa electron) free of charge or take small fee (around 10€ for 2 years).

I wonder what kind of bank in Germany takes 40€ for a plastic card offering the only way to take up your own money from cash dispenser ? :|

Talime · 8th June 2009, 22:26

my bank wants 20 euros a year for it ... and as i said i only need it one time or once a year ... and every other cards i find are real credit cards (which i don´t want) or i have to open a new account on an other bank -.-"

hm crap i will take paypal ... but thanks for trying to help ^-^

Joszek · 8th June 2009, 22:44

Hmm...don't you germans have something similar like americans have, which is a payment card bought in shops (supermarkets for example) and working in the same way as credit cards ?
The only difference is that you can use those cards only as long, as you got money on it. You cannot refill them. So basically you buy a 25$ card, and you can pay with it for something being worth max 25$.
And I think I read somewhere that such cards are available in europe, and Germany is one of such countries where it should be available.

Placebo · 8th June 2009, 22:59

Hm that sounds an awfully lot like Darkfall's release to me, which is incredibly disappointing. In other words, you just gamble with your 50-60 bucks and hope the game is everything they said it would be. If it's not your out of luck. And don't count on any sort of guaranteed beta or trial, because that wont happen.

I made one mistake with Darkfall, how can you convince me, and the hundreds of others in my position, that Mortal Online will not be another Darkfall with features left out, others twisted (a mine is a big node not a deep cavern mine), 4 hour queues, no player housing, pre-planned building plots, a massive grind, crippling lag, and many other irritating darkfall featuers which were played out to be reversed or a non-issue pre-release?

Kamisama · 8th June 2009, 23:10

@ Placebo, you'll meet the same issue with every independent MMO, they have not enough funds for allowing free test of the game

But what should SV do is to release MUUUUUUUUCH more concrete info before 29 ... ie we still don't know anything about magic, and very few about housing, etc... The PPT was great but there is still too much unknown stuff.

Placebo · 8th June 2009, 23:13

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Originally Posted by Kamisama

@ Placebo, you'll meet the same issue with every independent MMO, they have not enough funds for allowing free test of the game

But what should SV do is to release MUUUUUUUUCH more concrete info before 29 ... ie we still don't know anything about magic, and very few about housing, etc... The PPT was great but there is still too much unknown stuff.

Exactly, I am willing to accept a no-trial period at first but what needs to be done is show us EVERYTHING there is to know about the game, the good and the bad, in either another powerpoint or in a very honest review. We didn't get either from darkfall and it was a major upset. Information is Key, and I do mean honest information before release not any of that "well in the future we will have this, so we say we have it now" issue.

Don't get me wrong I really want this game to succeed, I have just had my heart broken so many times and it has left a deep hole in my wallet.

Booga · 8th June 2009, 23:26

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Originally Posted by Mats Persson

The shop will be accepting Visa Electron

You just made my day

P.S. you don't pay for Visa Electron least not in the UK.

Talime · 9th June 2009, 00:16

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Originally Posted by Joszek

Hmm...don't you germans have something similar like americans have, which is a payment card bought in shops (supermarkets for example) and working in the same way as credit cards ?
The only difference is that you can use those cards only as long, as you got money on it. You cannot refill them. So basically you buy a 25$ card, and you can pay with it for something being worth max 25$.
And I think I read somewhere that such cards are available in europe, and Germany is one of such countries where it should be available.

no we don´t have this, the only thing we have are prepaid credit cards which works like handycards you recharge them if you need, but as i said they cost up to 40 euros

hopefully they get paypal works ... because of that i wasn´t able to try darkfall but i think i haven´t missed something

Kamisama · 9th June 2009, 00:23

In france debit cards are credit cards which block payments if there is not enough money on the bank account, but otherwise it's the same (and often french debit cards can't be used to pay via internet)

Bahatouridhs · 9th June 2009, 00:29

The link to the store will be posted at the forums when the time is right or is already posted somewhere?

Joszek · 9th June 2009, 00:33

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Originally Posted by Bahatouridhs

The link to the store will be posted at the forums when the time is right or is already posted somewhere?

I suggest you to read latest newsletter again.

Huggmuth · 9th June 2009, 01:06

I don't get this, if you preorder the boxed version you'll be able to play after the 1. september due to the shipping etc. But if you buy the digital version you can already play the 6th june?

Talime · 9th June 2009, 01:13

no it was stated in the newslatter, the digital download is not limited to those who purchase only digital download, if you purchase a box you will be able to download it too, the same time as the ones with digital download

Huggmuth · 9th June 2009, 01:17

Thanks alot Talime!

Laserus · 9th June 2009, 02:24

Um isn't 50 euro is like 70 us, and wasn't Darkfall only 42 euro? someone please tell me I misunderstood the price.

5th June 2009, 21:03	#1 (permalink)
Joszek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: central europe Age: 27 Rep Power: 12	preorder prices, cancels and others I'll go straight forward: 1. will you post prices of digital download, boxed and collector's box before 29th ? I don't want to preorder a digital download version, when its price will be 5$/€ lower than boxed - even If I will be able to switch between them, as you mentioned in latest newsletter. 2. Will I be able to cancel my preorder ? It's not the same as forgetting about the game forever. Other things may occur, and I may not be able to pay at the day of billing. 3. It is being said, that preorder type of beta is a measure of overall interests in MO. What with those, who will only block the beta spot ? Is there a possibility that you will secure 1-3k preorders for long time active forum members ? 4. beside paypal, there's a question about paying with debit cards - very popular in europe visa electrons. But is there eventually a chance to use money transfers ? __________________ Do you really think I can't sneak behind you even when you lean against a wall ? If you became convinced to join forum, this is a fast registration link <Khaine> I gotta lose some weight for MO. The fat around my armpit won't allow me to play as effective as I wish.

5th June 2009, 21:49	#2 (permalink)
gotorobart Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Rep Power: 1	1.There will probably be a difference in price because they would have to ship out the LE and the boxed versions. 2. im pretty sure that the second you click to agree to pay they will take the funds..(for one thing this was a self-funded game.. im guessing there running low on funds and the pre-order will be necessary for "world-wide" servers.) If all ur pre-ordering for is the beta your account will probably be banned if u cancel just fyi. 3. In most cases if your pre-ordering you want to be in beta.. and if not y not wait till release, cause then u can see user content and all that good stuff. 4. Im pretty sure u can tie ur debit card to your paypal account so, if paypal is accepted you should be fine. __________________ Est Sularus Oth Mithas (My Honor Is My Life) Last edited by gotorobart : 5th June 2009 at 21:54.

5th June 2009, 21:55	#3 (permalink)
Regicide Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Rep Power: 3	sorry joszek i dont have an answer for you, just wanted to attach another question. What time exactly on June 29th? and also what timezone? Is it just going to be 12am in Sweden then store opens? Which brings me to the next issue. I faintly recall a slight overcrowding on the servers when the coutdown finished ;P . Do you think the server will be able to handle hundreds of orders in less than a minute? (especially since you said first-come-first-serve). I just want to make sure i can squeeze my order in the first 2k and not get booted cause of server lag. Thanks __________________

5th June 2009, 22:22	#4 (permalink)
Lion1978 Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Austria/Salzburg Age: 31 Rep Power: 4	I fear more of those who buy like 10-20 or even more preorders and sell them when all 10k are sold out on E-Bay for double the price! And yes Regicide. I´m sure the servers will crash in the first few minutes, like you said it happened when the countdown finished .... __________________ SI VIS PACEM PARABELLUM Last edited by Lion1978 : 5th June 2009 at 22:22. Reason: spelling

7th June 2009, 11:19	#8 (permalink)
Joszek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: central europe Age: 27 Rep Power: 12	I forgot to ask one important thing: will you charge full price upon preordering or a small fee ? __________________ Do you really think I can't sneak behind you even when you lean against a wall ? If you became convinced to join forum, this is a fast registration link <Khaine> I gotta lose some weight for MO. The fat around my armpit won't allow me to play as effective as I wish.

7th June 2009, 11:33	#9 (permalink)
Kaldrick Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Poland Rep Power: 3	I believe it was said, that game will cost full price. __________________ But we were dragons. We were supposed to be cruel, cunning, heartless, and terrible. But this much I can tell you, you ape -- we never burned and tortured and ripped each other apart and called it morality. -- Terry Pratchett, Guards! Guards! Official polish fansite

8th June 2009, 17:37	#11 (permalink)
Psyknx Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Netherlands Age: 22 Rep Power: 0	Just add paybycash.com they have pretty much all cool payment options we/I want. Ideal for holland - Instant bank transfer <3 Need official word on this

8th June 2009, 20:47	#16 (permalink)
Joszek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: central europe Age: 27 Rep Power: 12	Thx Mats for clearing things up. Nice that you did not forget aboutvisa electron, as it opens the field for many gamers in central europe. Hope I'll be able to use it to pay monthly fees too, and those will be competitive as well (read as: helluva cheaper than rivals) ;P ps. still no news about life time subscription ? :> __________________ Do you really think I can't sneak behind you even when you lean against a wall ? If you became convinced to join forum, this is a fast registration link <Khaine> I gotta lose some weight for MO. The fat around my armpit won't allow me to play as effective as I wish.

8th June 2009, 21:26	#17 (permalink)
UK2MO Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Rep Power: 2	Solid stuff Mats. __________________

8th June 2009, 21:36	#19 (permalink)
Cradlejoe Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: England Rep Power: 12	Thanks for the post Mats.

8th June 2009, 22:03	#20 (permalink)
Talime Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Age: 23 Rep Power: 2	thanks for clarification ! mhm no direct bankingi knew it, hopefully they get paypal work outherwise no preoder for me

8th June 2009, 22:11	#22 (permalink)
Talime Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Age: 23 Rep Power: 2	i meant others ^-^sorry those cards cost money as i see, this Visa Electron for exemple 39 € per year ... i need it only once -.-"

8th June 2009, 22:12	#23 (permalink)
TMT Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Rep Power: 2	Really? It doesn't cost anything in my country.

8th June 2009, 22:15	#24 (permalink)
Talime Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Age: 23 Rep Power: 2	hm i only googled for it ... ok i should search a bit more, yours is deffinetly free of fees?

8th June 2009, 22:17	#25 (permalink)
TMT Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Rep Power: 2	To be more precise it doesn't cost anything first year, then like 5$ a year. Depends on bank I guess.

8th June 2009, 22:20	#26 (permalink)
Joszek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: central europe Age: 27 Rep Power: 12	Talime: almost all banks in europe offer their customers payment cards (mostly visa electron) free of charge or take small fee (around 10€ for 2 years). I wonder what kind of bank in Germany takes 40€ for a plastic card offering the only way to take up your own money from cash dispenser ? :\| __________________ Do you really think I can't sneak behind you even when you lean against a wall ? If you became convinced to join forum, this is a fast registration link <Khaine> I gotta lose some weight for MO. The fat around my armpit won't allow me to play as effective as I wish.

8th June 2009, 22:26	#27 (permalink)
Talime Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Age: 23 Rep Power: 2	my bank wants 20 euros a year for it ... and as i said i only need it one time or once a year ... and every other cards i find are real credit cards (which i don´t want) or i have to open a new account on an other bank -.-" hm crap i will take paypal ... but thanks for trying to help ^-^ Last edited by Talime : 8th June 2009 at 22:37.

8th June 2009, 22:44	#28 (permalink)
Joszek Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: central europe Age: 27 Rep Power: 12	Hmm...don't you germans have something similar like americans have, which is a payment card bought in shops (supermarkets for example) and working in the same way as credit cards ? The only difference is that you can use those cards only as long, as you got money on it. You cannot refill them. So basically you buy a 25$ card, and you can pay with it for something being worth max 25$. And I think I read somewhere that such cards are available in europe, and Germany is one of such countries where it should be available. __________________ Do you really think I can't sneak behind you even when you lean against a wall ? If you became convinced to join forum, this is a fast registration link <Khaine> I gotta lose some weight for MO. The fat around my armpit won't allow me to play as effective as I wish.

8th June 2009, 22:59	#29 (permalink)
Placebo Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: California Age: 24 Rep Power: 2	Hm that sounds an awfully lot like Darkfall's release to me, which is incredibly disappointing. In other words, you just gamble with your 50-60 bucks and hope the game is everything they said it would be. If it's not your out of luck. And don't count on any sort of guaranteed beta or trial, because that wont happen. I made one mistake with Darkfall, how can you convince me, and the hundreds of others in my position, that Mortal Online will not be another Darkfall with features left out, others twisted (a mine is a big node not a deep cavern mine), 4 hour queues, no player housing, pre-planned building plots, a massive grind, crippling lag, and many other irritating darkfall featuers which were played out to be reversed or a non-issue pre-release? Last edited by Placebo : 8th June 2009 at 23:02.

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Bahatouridhs Newbie Join Date: May 2009 Location: Greece Age: 21 Rep Power: 0	The link to the store will be posted at the forums when the time is right or is already posted somewhere?

9th June 2009, 01:06	#37 (permalink)
Huggmuth Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: BEHIND YOU!! Rep Power: 1	I don't get this, if you preorder the boxed version you'll be able to play after the 1. september due to the shipping etc. But if you buy the digital version you can already play the 6th june? __________________ You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life! -Athene

9th June 2009, 01:13	#38 (permalink)
Talime Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Age: 23 Rep Power: 2	no it was stated in the newslatter, the digital download is not limited to those who purchase only digital download, if you purchase a box you will be able to download it too, the same time as the ones with digital download

9th June 2009, 01:17	#39 (permalink)
Huggmuth Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: BEHIND YOU!! Rep Power: 1	Thanks alot Talime! __________________ You're a pro or you're a noob. That's life! -Athene

9th June 2009, 02:24	#40 (permalink)
Laserus Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Rep Power: 2	Um isn't 50 euro is like 70 us, and wasn't Darkfall only 42 euro? someone please tell me I misunderstood the price.