Back to old Daoc?

[Shawk]

I would pay to play it again, for sure.

http://www.camelotherald.com/polls/

[silenced]

if with si, YES, without: no

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by silenced

if with si, YES, without: no

Si has nothing that improved Daoc imo..

[Shurt]

DAOC is old and outdated. I can't see how it can still compete with the crap gameplay it has. It's nothing compared to UO, AC, etc...

[Seggallion]

DAoC is one of the best MMOs I've played. Falls back to it now and then.

[Grannus]

This was the original purpose of the Classic servers. Then they added more item grind. Warhammer is DAoC 2, so I don't know why they don't just put this old dog down.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by Grannus

This was the original purpose of the Classic servers. Then they added more item grind. Warhammer is DAoC 2, so I don't know why they don't just put this old dog down.

The Classic servers had nothing to do with this idea.. the classic was the new frontiers,

Old frontiers and new frontiers are two completely different things. Not saying it will work for sure.. I think it will still be the 8v8 disaster it is today.. but it might work, who knows.

[silenced]

that 8vs8 somehow killed the large scaled rvr and was not really fun

[Grannus]

Originally Posted by Shawk

The Classic servers had nothing to do with this idea.. the classic was the new frontiers,

Old frontiers and new frontiers are two completely different things. Not saying it will work for sure.. I think it will still be the 8v8 disaster it is today.. but it might work, who knows.

They're not going to be able to resurrect Emain. It had a good run, but it's over. They killed it by making it impossible to compete without the gear of the month. People threw away their Epic gear because it was so underpowered compared to all the other crap. Now they want to turn back the clock. Sorry, no do-overs.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by Grannus

They're not going to be able to resurrect Emain. It had a good run, but it's over. They killed it by making it impossible to compete without the gear of the month. People threw away their Epic gear because it was so underpowered compared to all the other crap. Now they want to turn back the clock. Sorry, no do-overs.

Well, seeing how they're taking out all expansions, possibly even SI, they won't have this problem..

Originally Posted by silenced

that 8vs8 somehow killed the large scaled rvr and was not really fun

TOA basicly created 8v8 in Daoc because of armour.. 8v8 only worked because a better equiped 8v8 group could take on 14 pugs pretty easy, without that, 8v8 groups will just get rolled by large pug groups like they did back in the day.. forcing them to roll together, like back in the day.

I think it could work, it forces people to zerg and thats what I found fun about the game.. it felt like a conquest game. And with the old, smaller frontier.. it should be fun.

[Darq]

we had the classic servers
but the game didn't offer anything new gameplaywise
i voted no
it was fun back then but i wouldn't want to play it again
they would have to change controls above all
and get rid of the nowadays called tiers (same spells but more powerful versions of them with each tier)
they would have to add good quests
damn they'd have to completely redesign the game to be interesting
i already know the zones, i know the classes, i don't want to see and play the same old same old
returning would bring back good memories but also those of why i left
the game is dead and only a complete remake would bring it back to life

[Shawk]

Why do people say we had classic servers?

If you have ever played Daoc back when it was released in about 2001 you would know that those previously released classic server's were just pathetic excuses for a classic server, they had everything that really made Daoc horrible.

This is not a vote for classic servers, this is a vote for servers running 2001 release rules, not servers with half of what is currently in the game.

And as for new gameplay, the gameplay back in the day is what made it so great.. the pvp is what made it so great, them adding peice of shit expansions like TOA and other new, "gameplay," is what destroyed Daoc. The original game and gameplay was very well done, they raped and tortured that game forcing those who loved that game to leave.

[Darq]

no i think i've started playing with SI
i know it's not a vote for the classic server, that would be pointless
it's a vote for daoc with no addons and buffbots taken care of and zones revamped

the game was good with SI, i've enjoyed leveling to 50, it was fun. the grouping the darkness falls cruises. but once i hit 50 it became boring.
sure artifact raids were fun, but the normal rvr was not
for me playing a shammy rvr was like
inc, stun, dead or inc mezz stun pbaoe dead
sure we also won
but my point is the fights were over too quickly
toa turned me away, endless hours of raiding for OP abilities
returned with the classic servers had fun leveling a cabalist to 50 only to see that they're not needed in rvr
fine i made a heretic, great in the beginning, got boring later
i made a reaver yeah i liked him but endless soloing of catacombs instances bored me to death
i made a warlock, didn't like the class
vamp, didn't like the way it played
so yeah those new classes would not be in the game
i played all the other classes of the different realms to like bg3
the grind sucked
also crafting was so boring i regularly fell asleep

then in the old world you'd have only few dungeons to go to which were nothing special, also the landmass would be too small
and they'd still be against open rvr

i'm not a SOE fanboy, quite the opposite, but eq2 has all that and more, nicely done zones, interesting classes that play differently. you have the choice of 2-4 zones to go to in your tier in those zones you'll find dungeons and instances which are all very different from each other and sometimes even instances in dungeons. granted the RoK expansion sucked, but this serves as a way to explain that daoc is dated and not going back would revive it, but going forward removing the bad things like toa's ML grind, faster exp, the endless instance runs, better controls.

now you say you'd play the version they propose but would you keep playing for 2 years or 1-2 months?

[Shawk]

Holy shit, I aint going to knock you for being a carebear but damn, EQ2 was a pile of dogshit for about a trillion reasons.

I'm a huge Everquest Fanboi, I loved and love EQ1, EQ2 was complete shit. As for why you voted not to have classic, your reasons for not wanting it are acceptable only because you are exactly the type that wouldnt even enjoy a Daoc classic server because you arnt a pvper at all. it has more to do with Pvp than content, content heavy games makes shitty pvp games, I don't want another game with content I want one with good pvp and Daoc WAS one of the best.

The main thing being done here is Old Frontiers are being brought back and that is by far the largest thing that you forget to mension.

And yes, I have been playing on a DAOC private server for almost 3 years now on and off, I still enjoy it and so do hundreds of other people, but to properly enjoy it we need Mythic to bring it back so we can have our thousands of people playing again. Same with Everquest, I have been playing on an Everquest 1 server that's almost completely classic for about 4 years, I'm waiting on another private server that is bringing back completely oldschool, classic EQ1. And yes, near 3000 people are waiting for it aswell.. funny so many people can be waiting for something that's almost completely illegal and completely out of the mainstream, imagine if it was completely public?

You're the type of person that needs to be pleased by new worthless repetitive content, MMOs have a problem with making a perfectly good game then destroying it with stupid ass content that completely destroys the gameplay that was originaly invented for it.

[Darq]

Originally Posted by Shawk

Holy shit, I aint going to knock you for being a carebear but damn, EQ2 was a pile of dogshit for about a trillion reasons.

eq2 sucked until eof was released. i've been on darathar before the merge and nagafen after the merge for about 6-7 months. those are pvp servers just to make sure or rather faction vs faction. you're just reciting the same old stereotypes. anyway i left pvp when they decided to give pve exp for pvp kills. it may be weird to understand to an outsider but essentially you were forced to level up and get new gear and spells/abilities, which meant more grind and longer travelling distances.

Originally Posted by Shawk

I'm a huge Everquest Fanboi, I loved and love EQ1, EQ2 was complete shit. As for why you voted not to have classic, your reasons for not wanting it are acceptable only because you are exactly the type that wouldnt even enjoy a Daoc classic server because you arnt a pvper at all. it has more to do with Pvp than content, content heavy games makes shitty pvp games, I don't want another game with content I want one with good pvp and Daoc WAS one of the best.

see i hated eq1, it was a boring mindnumbing grind, no soloability, huge downtime after fights - teh suk. liked the size of the world tho and the different factions. i could never grasp the meaning of that game, just leveling up thats it?
yeahyeah because playing classic daoc means "i'm pvp mazafakkaa". blah.
once again stereotype much? btw you've proven my point daoc WAS a good game, but it's dated. why am i even wasting time with this...
but ok let's compare daoc and eq2pvp in terms of "hardcore leet badassness" which seems to be your criteria. mine for sure is which game is more fun.
eq2pvp - daoc classic
a. you can be attacked outside cities and sometimes even in the city from lvl10 on - you can only be attacked in special zones you choose to enter from lvl15 on.
b. the safezone is your city and you get a 30sec immunity on zone change - the safezone is all your mainland when you die you spawn in a heavily protected keep or outside of it same for the BGs.
c. you can loose up to 60% of the money you're carrying and 1 item when killed - you don't loose anything when killed
d. you can be attacked by any level in KoS+ (60+) zones - you can be attacked by most certainly maxlevel chars if you choose to enter the frontier.
e. you get rewarded with status points and tokens and faction which can be spent on pvp gear - you get rewarded with realmpoints which can be spent to improve your character
f. you get penalized for killing another player in the form of pve exp - you don't get penalized for killing another player
g. opt in ffa pvp ruleset by exiling - opt in ffa pvp ruleset by joining the pvp server

Originally Posted by Shawk

The main thing being done here is Old Frontiers are being brought back and that is by far the largest thing that you forget to mension.

yes the old frontiers were better than the new ones.

Originally Posted by Shawk

And yes, I have been playing on a DAOC private server for almost 3 years now on and off, I still enjoy it and so do hundreds of other people, but to properly enjoy it we need Mythic to bring it back so we can have our thousands of people playing again. Same with Everquest, I have been playing on an Everquest 1 server that's almost completely classic for about 4 years, I'm waiting on another private server that is bringing back completely oldschool, classic EQ1. And yes, near 3000 people are waiting for it aswell.. funny so many people can be waiting for something that's almost completely illegal and completely out of the mainstream, imagine if it was completely public?

fine enjoy yourself
sometimes i log on to EZ 4x-6x exp eq1 server for like 1/2-1h sure eq1 is more fun without the grind and close to no downtime. been on some daoc servers a few years ago when i was still interested in the game but there were like meh.
btw 3k players isn't much, sure it's more than the m59 rogue servers have but then again m59's time was when most people didn't even know what the internet was.

Originally Posted by Shawk

You're the type of person that needs to be pleased by new worthless repetitive content, MMOs have a problem with making a perfectly good game then destroying it with stupid ass content that completely destroys the gameplay that was originaly invented for it.

damn right i want to see new stuff instead of the same old stuff i already know and played through, that's also part of the reason i'm here. i want to see old stuff i had fun with in a new environment, which means skills above levels. also i prefer a good storyline over mindless killing. pvp adds meaning to a mmorpg, meaning to your gear and your skills/abilities/spells, it also adds "drama" and excitement not to mention the human component of intrigue, diplomacy, propaganda and espionage.
how often do you watch one and the same movie even if it's the best one you've ever seen? i've watched cheech & chong 2 like 30 times when i was younger but eventually i got bored of it. nowadays i usually don't even finish a movie because is see it as a waste of time if it's not good enough.

whatever have fun living in the past, some people just can't get accustomed to new things.

and let me stereotype for a change, you're the type who thinks he's all badass for playing a dated game which has mediocre pvp elements in it and calls everyone who dares question your sacred game an unbeliever(sed -e s/unbeliever/carebear or content worshipper/)

well as i said have fun playing classic daoc, i won't for the reasons i've stated in my posts in this thread.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by Darq

eq2 sucked until eof was released. i've been on darathar before the merge and nagafen after the merge for about 6-7 months. those are pvp servers just to make sure or rather faction vs faction. you're just reciting the same old stereotypes. anyway i left pvp when they decided to give pve exp for pvp kills. it may be weird to understand to an outsider but essentially you were forced to level up and get new gear and spells/abilities, which meant more grind and longer travelling distances.

What stereotype is that exactly?

Ill clear up my stereotype for you alittle more here, I played EQ2 untill level 20 as a ranger when it was released, i had a headache the entire time I played, I aswell played on a PvP server. I hit level 20 and went on to be a ranger and realized I could no shoot farther than I could throw. The problem is.. EQ2 was way to much about graphics and retarded gameplay, you would walk 10 steps and your view distance no longer showed people right infront of your god damn face.. the game was designed poorly.

If my stereotype is the kind that does not play shitty video games that spawn wannabe pvpers than yah, you're right because EQ2 does not have pvp, it has a carebears version of pvp, "I kill.. I get armour.. weeeeeee..."

Originally Posted by Darq

see i hated eq1, it was a boring mindnumbing grind, no soloability, huge downtime after fights - teh suk. liked the size of the world tho and the different factions. i could never grasp the meaning of that game, just leveling up thats it?
yeahyeah because playing classic daoc means "i'm pvp mazafakkaa". blah.
once again stereotype much? btw you've proven my point daoc WAS a good game, but it's dated. why am i even wasting time with this...
but ok let's compare daoc and eq2pvp in terms of "hardcore leet badassness" which seems to be your criteria. mine for sure is which game is more fun.
eq2pvp - daoc classic
a. you can be attacked outside cities and sometimes even in the city from lvl10 on - you can only be attacked in special zones you choose to enter from lvl15 on.
b. the safezone is your city and you get a 30sec immunity on zone change - the safezone is all your mainland when you die you spawn in a heavily protected keep or outside of it same for the BGs.
c. you can loose up to 60% of the money you're carrying and 1 item when killed - you don't loose anything when killed
d. you can be attacked by any level in KoS+ (60+) zones - you can be attacked by most certainly maxlevel chars if you choose to enter the frontier.
e. you get rewarded with status points and tokens and faction which can be spent on pvp gear - you get rewarded with realmpoints which can be spent to improve your character
f. you get penalized for killing another player in the form of pve exp - you don't get penalized for killing another player
g. opt in ffa pvp ruleset by exiling - opt in ffa pvp ruleset by joining the pvp server

My like of EQ1 has nothing to do with PvP.. I like EQ1 because it was the first to do everything right and is a pve sandbox because it does not have those systems in place that MAKE the game alittle more enjoyable, your reasons for hating it prove you are the type that likes the games that hold your hand, nothing wrong with that.

I said nothing about hardcore pvp, Daoc was a very well done RvR game.. the storyline was based on pvp unlike EQ2 and the feal of the world was a, "war," kind of feal. EQ2 is a PvE game with PvP added on with no real story to back it up.. The ruleset you explained is exactly that, it's a PvE game with a PvP ruleset thrown onto it. with no backstory to back it up.

Btw, you forgot a few things.. Relics and Keeps which are 2 of the most important aspects of Daoc because they give you a much stronger reason to PvP, EQ2's reasons to PvP is armour.. WoW!

Originally Posted by Darq

whatever have fun living in the past, some people just can't get accustomed to new things.

and let me stereotype for a change, you're the type who thinks he's all badass for playing a dated game which has mediocre pvp elements in it and calls everyone who dares question your sacred game an unbeliever(sed -e s/unbeliever/carebear or content worshipper/)

well as i said have fun playing classic daoc, i won't for the reasons i've stated in my posts in this thread.

I don't think I'm badass at all, though I have played real PvP games that require alot more than EQ2, I didnt stereotype or call you a Carebear for that reason.. I will however call you a carebear because you have no clue what real PvP is, your experience is EQ2 PvP, bravo... If the sims games had pvp in it, you might pwn them.

Btw, I can't watch a movie more than once.