Legendary Monsters

Mogar · 12th May 2008, 16:09

As i am sure everyone knows there will be legendary monsters in the game that are only there ONCE... As everyone has seen in the trailer there is a giant dragon, but i'm wondering what other ideas of monsters people would come up with on there own. So if you have an idea for a monster lets hear it!

Leviathan: A Giant sea monster

Ziz: The Ziz was created to protect all. It is also an immortal creature that terrified the people that entered its territory and those who killed birds. It was said it was large enough to be able to block out the sun with its wingspan.

Balrog: Demon of the Ancient world....u know....

The Red Terror: It was particularly feared for its ability to swallow people whole. It first appeared in the mines of a planet.

Spider Queen:

The Swarm:

This would require sum serious team work

Traceur · 12th May 2008, 16:14

i want the baddest cruelest meanest worst monster of all:

humans

Mirth · 12th May 2008, 16:32

i want no supermobs.

Shinzon · 12th May 2008, 19:03

Tripod Image hosting service? My gods that is scary!

Dragons
Hydras
Powerful: Necromancers, Mages, Undead Liches, Ghosts, Trolls Leaders, Goblin Leaders, etc

Shawk · 12th May 2008, 23:06

Like they said, they will have unique mobs that will obviously be stronger, it isnt going to be WoW where you kill the thing 20 times over though.. It will die once, making it extra special.

I think unique stronger named mobs are very important to these type of games, all fantasy novels include dragons etc.. they're almost always very rare though and I hope Mortal keeps to that idea.

Siphlex · 13th May 2008, 00:32

Demi-gods, or half-gods. I think that would be interesting, as well as beings from other worlds/dimensions.

Roc · 13th May 2008, 02:14

Toarogar - An ancient demon summoned by the mysterious Black Cult of the Toad. Toarogar would be the shape of a giant bullfrog the size of a castle. It would have two great massive, curling horns and many, many black spikes protruding from his back. He could be a reddish-greenish color and can breathe fire and a poisonous toxin that would paralyze anyone who opposes him. He also has razor sharp tongue made of obsidian that lacerates anything it touches. And he has four arms.

OMGPIE · 13th May 2008, 02:23

I want massive monsters of real life folk lore and fake folk lore to be super mobs that need at least like 15 people all with very very high skill to kill but they would be one time kills which is probably how it will work. BTW Taceur what was the image you posted I don't think it's working.

Trox · 13th May 2008, 02:29

Tracuer's monster is so cruel, bad and mean that it has been banned from the internet

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And if they are going to have legendary monsters then they defiently need to include: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg

Siphlex · 13th May 2008, 02:39

By the gods, that bunny is DEADLY!

OMGPIE · 13th May 2008, 02:51

Epic! Monty Python! But seriously I want to see like a mothman, kraken, leviathan, phoenixes, cyclops, etc. For a list of monsters in international folk-lore vist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monsters. Lots of choices for a game in there.

Mirth · 13th May 2008, 04:09

Again, please no supermobs! There must be NOT A THING in the universe that a solo player cannot kill.

OMGPIE · 13th May 2008, 04:15

You can't JUST do solo what are you mr. lone wolf never talk to anybody? MMO's always have supermobs what is the point of epic monsters if one guy can go up and just kill it by himself it makes them most...un-epic.

Mirth · 13th May 2008, 04:20

Quote:

You can't JUST do solo what are you mr. lone wolf never talk to anybody?

I have nothing against parties, but the mob must not be necessary for success. I hate when party becomes mandatory, since i've never seen a lone path to be mandatory for something.

Quote:

if one guy can go up and just kill it by himself it makes them most...un-epic.

No. It makes this guy epic.

OMGPIE · 13th May 2008, 04:45

Ah I just think that sometimes yous should get with groups since the game is supposed to be full of player with player interaction I think this is just one of the best ways besides crafting tiems and PvP to do so.

Mirth · 13th May 2008, 04:59

PtP interaction is a good thing. Until it becomes mandatory. No one should be forced to go into a crowd to defeat his ONE enemy.

Siphlex · 13th May 2008, 14:56

I think Mirth is right, in a way. Forcing team-play, like most of the MMOs out there is just not very attracting. However! If you're going up against a colossal, legendary creature that could as easily kill you as stepping on you, i'd imagine you'd want some assistance.

No one is saying that you would have to group up with other players each time you go out for a kill. Which by the way, would only be frustrating.

Mogar · 13th May 2008, 15:45

I want a beast that Swipes its claw and takes out 7 members of my party BAM! scrape metal against the wall...dead. I want to scream and yell retreat!!! With the epicness of this beast. There is a real problem that this thing is alive right now and it needs to be killed because it is a direct threat to everyone. "Epic" Monster means Epic Fight something that you and all ur buddies will remember and be proud of and laugh at later on "Remember when Billy got slammed against a cave wall, then Jimmy came outta no where and slashed at the things hand, then Jimmy was against the wall too?

"...Poooooorr Jimmy.....never saw it comin :*(

Mirth · 13th May 2008, 21:31

Mogar, i want such a beast too. But it must have a weak point(s) allowing (in theory, with cautious approach and after a thorough analysis) a solo kill. I didn't say i want for player to be able to crush a titan with a sword or bow (it's plainly stupid), but why not creep into his lair, poison his water and food, wait until he'll become weak and ill, then pluck out his eyes and just wait for him to die of starvation?

admiralnlson · 13th May 2008, 21:41

Nobody's forcing you to team up...
If you don't want to join a group to kill the epic dragon who is way stronger than the most skilled and powerful human, then don't. It's up to you.

Shinzon · 13th May 2008, 21:51

By technicality, yes in theory you would be able to kill an epic monster all by yourself; but in most probability you will end up as a blood splatter against the nearest cavewall/tree/cliff facce. So if you are able to dodge everything and deal out enough damage by yourself (Which would probably take you hours compared to a group of people) in theory you could kill it, as long as every hit is dodgable and there are not "Auto Lock on" auto blast hits that are in current MMO's, then yes; otherwise no, you will need a party; either because the thing has an obscene amount of health; and the fight is no longer measured in minutes but in hours (Against 1 player; a group of 10 that time is divided by 10, so they are able to bring it down faster).

But in reality, MMO's are made for the player interaction, not soloing; unless you want it as an e peen bragging rights type of thing; in which case that is also player interaction...

Mirth · 13th May 2008, 23:21

admiralnlson, devs said that to craft something unusual you'll need a special ingridient, taken from boss monster. So as a crafter i don't have a choice other than buy it from some PARTY or make a PARTY to have it firsthand. There is simply no way other than form a crowd to overload this bossmob with meat. I call it forcing teamplay.

Danach · 13th May 2008, 23:52

I would like to see completely unique monsters that are hard to find, unbelievably hard to kill, and there is no respawn on them. Anyone agree?

Mirth · 14th May 2008, 00:34

Yes, as long as they remain vulnerable to solo

OMGPIE · 14th May 2008, 01:25

My point is that epic monsters are usually epic because of their ability to kill many people whether it is at once or over time. I do not think this is "forcing" player interaction because you don't HAVE to kill some epic monster in a cave it is just there for you to. Plus only heros that are the main character of something ever solo an epic monster, have you ever read Beowulf? (it is the complete opposite of the movie that movie pissed me off when I saw it) Beowulf is the only guy that can solo Grendel or a dragon and even then he is if I remember correctly mortally wounded and his friend helps him. So unless you are the main character in MO then you should not be able to kill an epic monster I think but that's just me.

Mirth · 14th May 2008, 03:17

Well, about dragons...
First, if he can think at all, your sword(s) won't reach him. He'll just burn everything to ashes from a hundred feet above.
Second, if you make tower shields from dragon scales, if means you can't shoot him down with a (cross)bow. Or even a thousand crossbows. Maybe a lucky shot from a ballista can hurt him, but that's a siege weapon that can't be used in the field. About magic... well, there are rumors that dragons are immune to it - or that they are strong magicians themselves, so it won't help you much.

Therefore, if we are to be more serious, you CANNOT just come and kill a dragon. You may be lucky to do this if he is attacking a castle and you have a ballista to shoot. Other way, it is just IMPOSSIBLE. With ANY kind of weapon that human can wield. A steampunk war machine (which i suggested as available for crafting) MAYBE will manage to bring him down, but the joke of it is that this machine is operated... solo

Same with leviathan or kraken - he will just break a huge hole in the hunter ship and wait a minute before it goes down, so you must operate something like gnomish submarine to really hurt such a beast. But the bitch of it is that if you go by the logic, in the end it will all lead to possibility of solo.

So if you are to be serious about epic monsters, you should give up an idea of beating them with a crowd. It's impossible. But if you are not serious and you make it possible to do by party, it'll be just fair to make it possible to do alone as well.

OMGPIE · 14th May 2008, 03:46

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mirth

Well, about dragons...
First, if he can think at all, your sword(s) won't reach him. He'll just burn everything to ashes from a hundred feet above.
Second, if you make tower shields from dragon scales, if means you can't shoot him down with a (cross)bow. Or even a thousand crossbows. Maybe a lucky shot from a ballista can hurt him, but that's a siege weapon that can't be used in the field. About magic... well, there are rumors that dragons are immune to it - or that they are strong magicians themselves, so it won't help you much.

Therefore, if we are to be more serious, you CANNOT just come and kill a dragon. You may be lucky to do this if he is attacking a castle and you have a ballista to shoot. Other way, it is just IMPOSSIBLE. With ANY kind of weapon that human can wield. A steampunk war machine (which i suggested as available for crafting) MAYBE will manage to bring him down, but the joke of it is that this machine is operated... solo

Same with leviathan or kraken - he will just break a huge hole in the hunter ship and wait a minute before it goes down, so you must operate something like gnomish submarine to really hurt such a beast. But the bitch of it is that if you go by the logic, in the end it will all lead to possibility of solo.

So if you are to be serious about epic monsters, you should give up an idea of beating them with a crowd. It's impossible. But if you are not serious and you make it possible to do by party, it'll be just fair to make it possible to do alone as well.

Yes in usual lore dragons are very intelligent and very powerful and tough. They also are usually very skilled with magic. I like dragons like this I don't know why but it is just really cool to me.

Landor · 14th May 2008, 03:47

There are heros that are able to take down dragons, and other creatures of such. They are just normal people, who are called heros after. And they take them down with normal weapons.

And the thing is most of those heros have the help of a party. Like Beowulf, he had the help of friends. It was not all him, even if the new movie says it was all him. Which it wasn't.

Mirth · 14th May 2008, 05:33

If we are to take epic monsters seriously (telling the difference of fairy tale from fantasy), then dragons cannot be beaten, not even with an army of heroes.
If we are not to take epic monsters seriously, then every epic monster is just a special mob requiring a special approach, but it must be still possible to take them on alone.

About normal people and normal weapons... tell me plz, how are you going even to touch a flying flamethrower without becoming a crisp?

Aryev · 14th May 2008, 09:00

Tentaclors....

12th May 2008, 16:09	#1 (permalink)
Mogar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashua, NH USA Age: 19 Posts: 61 Rep Power: 1	Legendary Monsters As i am sure everyone knows there will be legendary monsters in the game that are only there ONCE... As everyone has seen in the trailer there is a giant dragon, but i'm wondering what other ideas of monsters people would come up with on there own. So if you have an idea for a monster lets hear it! Leviathan: A Giant sea monster Ziz: The Ziz was created to protect all. It is also an immortal creature that terrified the people that entered its territory and those who killed birds. It was said it was large enough to be able to block out the sun with its wingspan. Balrog: Demon of the Ancient world....u know.... The Red Terror: It was particularly feared for its ability to swallow people whole. It first appeared in the mines of a planet. Spider Queen: The Swarm: This would require sum serious team work __________________

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Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,927 Rep Power: 8	i want the baddest cruelest meanest worst monster of all: humans __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC! Last edited by Traceur : 13th May 2008 at 12:09.

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Shinzon Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 19 Posts: 1,003 Rep Power: 4	Tripod Image hosting service? My gods that is scary! Dragons Hydras Powerful: Necromancers, Mages, Undead Liches, Ghosts, Trolls Leaders, Goblin Leaders, etc __________________ www.aegis-imperium.com

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Shawk Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: British Columbia, Canada Posts: 1,509 Rep Power: 5	Like they said, they will have unique mobs that will obviously be stronger, it isnt going to be WoW where you kill the thing 20 times over though.. It will die once, making it extra special. I think unique stronger named mobs are very important to these type of games, all fantasy novels include dragons etc.. they're almost always very rare though and I hope Mortal keeps to that idea. __________________ Unofficial Mortal FAQ Join The King's Dragons!

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OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,506 Rep Power: 4	I want massive monsters of real life folk lore and fake folk lore to be super mobs that need at least like 15 people all with very very high skill to kill but they would be one time kills which is probably how it will work. BTW Taceur what was the image you posted I don't think it's working. __________________

12th May 2008, 16:32	#3 (permalink)
Mirth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 170 Rep Power: 0	i want no supermobs.

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Siphlex Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	Demi-gods, or half-gods. I think that would be interesting, as well as beings from other worlds/dimensions.

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Roc Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 6 Rep Power: 0	Toarogar - An ancient demon summoned by the mysterious Black Cult of the Toad. Toarogar would be the shape of a giant bullfrog the size of a castle. It would have two great massive, curling horns and many, many black spikes protruding from his back. He could be a reddish-greenish color and can breathe fire and a poisonous toxin that would paralyze anyone who opposes him. He also has razor sharp tongue made of obsidian that lacerates anything it touches. And he has four arms.

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Trox Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 18 Rep Power: 1	Tracuer's monster is so cruel, bad and mean that it has been banned from the internet . And if they are going to have legendary monsters then they defiently need to include: http://youtube.com/watch?v=XcxKIJTb3Hg Last edited by Trox : 13th May 2008 at 02:30. Reason: I suck at spelling

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Siphlex Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	By the gods, that bunny is DEADLY!

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OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,506 Rep Power: 4	Epic! Monty Python! But seriously I want to see like a mothman, kraken, leviathan, phoenixes, cyclops, etc. For a list of monsters in international folk-lore vist http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_monsters. Lots of choices for a game in there. __________________

13th May 2008, 04:09	#12 (permalink)
Mirth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 170 Rep Power: 0	Again, please no supermobs! There must be NOT A THING in the universe that a solo player cannot kill.

13th May 2008, 04:15	#13 (permalink)
OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,506 Rep Power: 4	You can't JUST do solo what are you mr. lone wolf never talk to anybody? MMO's always have supermobs what is the point of epic monsters if one guy can go up and just kill it by himself it makes them most...un-epic. __________________

13th May 2008, 04:45	#15 (permalink)
OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,506 Rep Power: 4	Ah I just think that sometimes yous should get with groups since the game is supposed to be full of player with player interaction I think this is just one of the best ways besides crafting tiems and PvP to do so. __________________

13th May 2008, 04:59	#16 (permalink)
Mirth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 170 Rep Power: 0	PtP interaction is a good thing. Until it becomes mandatory. No one should be forced to go into a crowd to defeat his ONE enemy.

13th May 2008, 14:56	#17 (permalink)
Siphlex Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 52 Rep Power: 0	I think Mirth is right, in a way. Forcing team-play, like most of the MMOs out there is just not very attracting. However! If you're going up against a colossal, legendary creature that could as easily kill you as stepping on you, i'd imagine you'd want some assistance. No one is saying that you would have to group up with other players each time you go out for a kill. Which by the way, would only be frustrating.

13th May 2008, 15:45	#18 (permalink)
Mogar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashua, NH USA Age: 19 Posts: 61 Rep Power: 1	I want a beast that Swipes its claw and takes out 7 members of my party BAM! scrape metal against the wall...dead. I want to scream and yell retreat!!! With the epicness of this beast. There is a real problem that this thing is alive right now and it needs to be killed because it is a direct threat to everyone. "Epic" Monster means Epic Fight something that you and all ur buddies will remember and be proud of and laugh at later on "Remember when Billy got slammed against a cave wall, then Jimmy came outta no where and slashed at the things hand, then Jimmy was against the wall too? "...Poooooorr Jimmy.....never saw it comin :*( __________________

13th May 2008, 21:31	#19 (permalink)
Mirth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 170 Rep Power: 0	Mogar, i want such a beast too. But it must have a weak point(s) allowing (in theory, with cautious approach and after a thorough analysis) a solo kill. I didn't say i want for player to be able to crush a titan with a sword or bow (it's plainly stupid), but why not creep into his lair, poison his water and food, wait until he'll become weak and ill, then pluck out his eyes and just wait for him to die of starvation?

13th May 2008, 21:41	#20 (permalink)
admiralnlson Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sophia-Antipolis Guild: Aegis Imperium Age: 27 Posts: 802 Rep Power: 2	Nobody's forcing you to team up... If you don't want to join a group to kill the epic dragon who is way stronger than the most skilled and powerful human, then don't. It's up to you. __________________ "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." - William of Ockham

13th May 2008, 21:51	#21 (permalink)
Shinzon Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 19 Posts: 1,003 Rep Power: 4	By technicality, yes in theory you would be able to kill an epic monster all by yourself; but in most probability you will end up as a blood splatter against the nearest cavewall/tree/cliff facce. So if you are able to dodge everything and deal out enough damage by yourself (Which would probably take you hours compared to a group of people) in theory you could kill it, as long as every hit is dodgable and there are not "Auto Lock on" auto blast hits that are in current MMO's, then yes; otherwise no, you will need a party; either because the thing has an obscene amount of health; and the fight is no longer measured in minutes but in hours (Against 1 player; a group of 10 that time is divided by 10, so they are able to bring it down faster). But in reality, MMO's are made for the player interaction, not soloing; unless you want it as an e peen bragging rights type of thing; in which case that is also player interaction... __________________ www.aegis-imperium.com

13th May 2008, 23:21	#22 (permalink)
Mirth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 170 Rep Power: 0	admiralnlson, devs said that to craft something unusual you'll need a special ingridient, taken from boss monster. So as a crafter i don't have a choice other than buy it from some PARTY or make a PARTY to have it firsthand. There is simply no way other than form a crowd to overload this bossmob with meat. I call it forcing teamplay.

13th May 2008, 23:52	#23 (permalink)
Danach Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 156 Rep Power: 0	I would like to see completely unique monsters that are hard to find, unbelievably hard to kill, and there is no respawn on them. Anyone agree?

14th May 2008, 00:34	#24 (permalink)
Mirth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 170 Rep Power: 0	Yes, as long as they remain vulnerable to solo

14th May 2008, 01:25	#25 (permalink)
OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,506 Rep Power: 4	My point is that epic monsters are usually epic because of their ability to kill many people whether it is at once or over time. I do not think this is "forcing" player interaction because you don't HAVE to kill some epic monster in a cave it is just there for you to. Plus only heros that are the main character of something ever solo an epic monster, have you ever read Beowulf? (it is the complete opposite of the movie that movie pissed me off when I saw it) Beowulf is the only guy that can solo Grendel or a dragon and even then he is if I remember correctly mortally wounded and his friend helps him. So unless you are the main character in MO then you should not be able to kill an epic monster I think but that's just me. __________________

14th May 2008, 03:17	#26 (permalink)
Mirth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 170 Rep Power: 0	Well, about dragons... First, if he can think at all, your sword(s) won't reach him. He'll just burn everything to ashes from a hundred feet above. Second, if you make tower shields from dragon scales, if means you can't shoot him down with a (cross)bow. Or even a thousand crossbows. Maybe a lucky shot from a ballista can hurt him, but that's a siege weapon that can't be used in the field. About magic... well, there are rumors that dragons are immune to it - or that they are strong magicians themselves, so it won't help you much. Therefore, if we are to be more serious, you CANNOT just come and kill a dragon. You may be lucky to do this if he is attacking a castle and you have a ballista to shoot. Other way, it is just IMPOSSIBLE. With ANY kind of weapon that human can wield. A steampunk war machine (which i suggested as available for crafting) MAYBE will manage to bring him down, but the joke of it is that this machine is operated... solo Same with leviathan or kraken - he will just break a huge hole in the hunter ship and wait a minute before it goes down, so you must operate something like gnomish submarine to really hurt such a beast. But the bitch of it is that if you go by the logic, in the end it will all lead to possibility of solo. So if you are to be serious about epic monsters, you should give up an idea of beating them with a crowd. It's impossible. But if you are not serious and you make it possible to do by party, it'll be just fair to make it possible to do alone as well.

14th May 2008, 03:47	#28 (permalink)
Landor Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 611 Rep Power: 2	There are heros that are able to take down dragons, and other creatures of such. They are just normal people, who are called heros after. And they take them down with normal weapons. And the thing is most of those heros have the help of a party. Like Beowulf, he had the help of friends. It was not all him, even if the new movie says it was all him. Which it wasn't.

14th May 2008, 05:33	#29 (permalink)
Mirth Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Age: 24 Posts: 170 Rep Power: 0	If we are to take epic monsters seriously (telling the difference of fairy tale from fantasy), then dragons cannot be beaten, not even with an army of heroes. If we are not to take epic monsters seriously, then every epic monster is just a special mob requiring a special approach, but it must be still possible to take them on alone. About normal people and normal weapons... tell me plz, how are you going even to touch a flying flamethrower without becoming a crisp?

14th May 2008, 09:00	#30 (permalink)
Aryev Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Göteborg Age: 21 Posts: 122 Rep Power: 1	Tentaclors.... __________________ James Olson I kill newbs for the same reason I beat my kids: to make them better.
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