hetrosexuals & homosexuals, your summoned for questioning.

[NamelessOne]

Originally Posted by Dawngreeter

Although, from everything I've seen so far, attraction is very rarely directed towards genitals. Breasts are an aesthetic asset to be sure but genitals, I'm not convinced. I think it's all just aesthetic preference, especially in men since they don't have the maternal drive. And if a woman is just a human that looks attractive to you, then there's no such thing as heterosexuality in men. It's all just a matter of fetishes and current cultural context of what is considered attractive (and this changes a lot).

Well well, sounds like someone is comfortable enough to be logical. I would agree entirely that this is the case. Sexual preference is a fickle thing, its just largely stigmatized due to our "current global culture's" puritan-esque up bringings. If you've thought homosexuality is unatural, you'd be surprised that most animals have an equivalent rate (~10%) of it in their populations as humans. Even ancient Sparta, land of the alpha males, was chill about it. It's not even a genital thing, I have never been turned on by a vag shot with no other female bodyparts in sight (maybe thats just me) Its just the secondary sexual characteristics that get us going (bodyshape,breasts,facial structure). To prove my point I'd link you to a picture of "BuckAngel" but you get the idea.

Getting back to Traceur, Why do we like what we do?
Because of hormones and psychology. We get "happy" signals when we see what turns us on, so if it functions with only a specific gender, thats just how we roll.

[Sando]

Originally Posted by AmmokK

I think you misunterstand my posting, Dawngreeter.

I didn´t write "I hate homosexuals", although I guess that´s what you seem to deduce.

I´m just saying they should be helped by medication or whatever.
Let´s just pretend "design-baby" where already fully possible, okay?
I really doubt, someone whould say "Oh, I´d like to make my baby gay, that would be so cool!"...

Why would they want medicine? If they are attracted to the same gender they probably enjoy it. If there's any reason they'd want to change it's because of pressure from society, which would mean comments like that. You're the one with the problem, not them.

[Vultus]

Originally Posted by Traceur

anyone of the slightest eccentricity is going to at some point in there lives question "what's wrong with everyone?", why is it that most people minds work differently... "what the hell goes on in them?"... it also seems that for some odd reason, those questions are never actually brought up and asked upfront. this topic seems so alien to me, i figured i'll just ask:

mono-sexuals: straights, gays & lesbians, all of you who choose lovers based on the potential lovers gender.

why? what causes it? what the hell goes in your mind (& pelvis) that says "ok i can't like that person in that way because of the person's gender"? how does that work? how did it happen? did you get into a long term relationship with one gender and forgot what to do in bed with the other? did you try it out and decide one is more fun then the other you'll only have that?

people like me tend to almost hide behind the high horse, "being more open" and whatnot, but in reality i don't think i or any other non-mono-sexual really understands the whole mono-sexual deal. so here's my blunt naivity: how does mono-sexual "gender screening" work?

I'm male, and straight. I feel no attraction to men, it really is that simple. The thought of it is about as appealing as sipping warm bird shit through a straw..I have no desire or curiosity for being with the same sex. It's not even a choice. now..why am I straight? It's not impossible for a straight individual to perform gay acts, it just comes down to what gives gratification, and what determins that is most likely related to genetics.

The reason why I blaim genetics is because it's been proven that the children of gay parents aren't more likely to become gay, the only difference is that the children of gay parents are usually more accepting of gay individuals..aka less homophobic. Combine this with the fact that many gay or bisexual individuals claim to have known they were this way for a very long time..and it leads me to believe that people are born gay, or develop a desire for it before their personality becomes "perminant"(around 3-6 years old when we first become self aware) So..I also think you can learn to change your sexual preference, but it's part of your personality..and I believe personality is nearly unchangable by the time your 6..this, for the most part, has been scientifically proven.

[Lumathe]

Well this thread is full of win.
It's good to see peopel discussing this openly and with (generally) open minds. Attraction really does seem to be a major part of the choice, from the discussion here. In regards to the gothic picture, sure, it's a guy. He looks cute as a girl, but the fact it's a guy would (once you unwrap the present, to use ziegler's metaphor) sorta negate the attraction the outward appearance had, for a mono-sexual straight guy. Same person would probably be unattractive (despite being male) to a straight female, and possibly at first glance unattractive to a monosexual gay guy (unless he picked up it was actually a guy). So our predefined choices as far as what we're attracted to, aesthetically, do play a big part in this.

Certain things turn us on, and certain things turn us off. This is different for each and every person, and seems to in fact be often influenced (or at least masked or pronounced) by upbringing and exposure to peer-pressure or the popular "norm".
Honestly, some guys I have known have been absolutely straight, until they meet a certain guy that actually turns them on. This happens, not all the time- some of us will never find men attractive, but it can still happen for some people. Same goes with women really, though these days bi-sexuality seems to have become much more common among the female half of the population. It's possible females on the whole have a wider range of factors they consider "attractive" than (some) men do. I'm not sure, just theory there.
For pan-sexuals, their range of factors they consider attractive is larger still, but often they will still have people they find unattractive.

But yes, what it all seems to boil down to is it's attraction that "makes our choice" for us as to monosexuality (either gay or straight) or bi/pansexuality.

I dunno. Anyway, fire at will.

[Amarll]

I like the dick, does this make me homosexal?

[Rokolith]

I like turtles.

[Kitty]

Originally Posted by Rokolith

I like turtles.

that's sooo 2 pages ago

[Traceur]

Originally Posted by Amarll

I like the dick, does this make me homosexal?

no, you need to like dick and dislike pussy.

and... turtles?

Originally Posted by Kitty

that's sooo 2 pages ago

i feel like i am missing on a great internet meme. i get it's something not so post-able but will someone please PM me the link?

[Kitty]

i think it's fine to link =] it's just a funny clip of a news report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

[Disappointed]

I don't know if anyone has said this, because I didn't bother to go read through the pages of men coming out of the closet. This is just a direct answer to the OP.

I like females.

Not any particular part, be they breasts, ass, or otherwise (though those are a definite plus). I find the female mind fascinating, something that cannot be duplicated by males, however gay. But overall, (female) femininity attracts me.

[Traceur]

Originally Posted by Kitty

i think it's fine to link =] it's just a funny clip of a news report

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMNry4PE93Y

ROFL

[Seabhac]

All I know is that when they have the gay pride festival in my city all I can think is "When is someone going to organize a straight pride festival?".

[The Maternix]

Pretty much agree with Dawngreeters posts.
I really, dont give a shit at this point. Although I find females attractive, its nothing I can honestly say I'll go crazy about. I have some friends in RL that are gay, and honestly I don't think theres anything wrong with it. Its just a preference. Hell, maybe one day I'll realize I'm homosexual. It's nothing I'm going to "make up my mind" about and say "oh I'm straight" or "oh I'm gay". But thats just me

[Zarin]

Originally Posted by Seabhac

All I know is that when they have the gay pride festival in my city all I can think is "When is someone going to organize a straight pride festival?".

Straight people aren't really a minority

Straight people also get the option of marriage in every state.

[Kalimni]

Originally Posted by Seabhac

All I know is that when they have the gay pride festival in my city all I can think is "When is someone going to organize a straight pride festival?".

I think that would go about as well as a "white pride" festival....

[vaniljparvelnfrånglutt]

Originally Posted by Ziegler

/.../ I am fairly redneck...I like to fight and fuck....if you aint got the tools for the latter...looks like we be doing the first.

lol, I can imagine your life is pretty exiting.

Originally Posted by Dawngreeter

But what if it isn't a sweater but a deck of cards? You love Wii, sure, but a deck of cards can be fun as well. It's just that maybe you don't like cards. But you could like them, y'know? It's not physically impossible for them to be utilized by you to a fulfilling effect.

Though now I feel like I might be pressing the point a bit too far and I do hope I'm clear enough on the issue that I do not mean to push anyone into changing what they prefer to be doing with their clothes off. Especially since you guys are going along with what I'm saying a lot farther than I thought you would. I just really think that deep down, it's just aesthetics which differ in the same way we find it weird that those old painter dudes thought chubby women are perfection of female form.

And, just for the record, I prefer women too. For whatever reason. I just happen to be overly analytical.

Maybe too much analysing going on here. People get attracted to different things. If one is attracted to women, and see someone who looks like a woman, he/she will think that person is attractive. Simplified of course, since you don't find everyone of the opposite sex attractive just because you're strait.
Why is it so important to understand why?

If I had to guess why, I would say it's more psychological than physical. Call me Freudian, but childhood probably matters. There's no coincident that someone who were abused as a child is more likely to abuse children as an adult.

[Trubaduren]

Originally Posted by Dawngreeter

Why is someone "being confused" a bad thing? If that's what he does, let him do what he does. This line of thought stems from the presumption that heterosexuals are superior so anyone who doesn't have to be different, as laid out by his genetic makeup, but chooses to be is committing some sort of sin or treason. It's despicable.

If you would have quoted by entinre sentance you would have understood what i said. It has been prove you can be gay without actually genetic being gay. Not thats anything wrong with being gay, im just saying.

[Dawngreeter]

Originally Posted by vaniljparvelnfrånglutt

Why is it so important to understand why?

Because the alternative is enjoying your own ignorance and few things rank lower than that. It leads to anti-intellectualism, which gives birth to that "authoritatively saying we don't know is as good as trying to figure it out" line of thought (like, say, creationism), which can, in turn, lead to a decline of entire societies.

[vaniljparvelnfrånglutt]

Originally Posted by Dawngreeter

Because the alternative is enjoying your own ignorance and few things rank lower than that. It leads to anti-intellectualism, which gives birth to that "authoritatively saying we don't know is as good as trying to figure it out" line of thought (like, say, creationism), which can, in turn, lead to a decline of entire societies.

wow, talk bout drawing it to the lines. I meant of course in this particular question which, basically, is why we fall in love. or did I misunderstand you?

[Dawngreeter]

No, you did. I just got carried away into "dramatically ominous" line of thought. Sorry about that.

[Murata]

Reproduction. You continue the cycle, yo.

[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by Rilman

I like Boobs.

probably one of the only threads where this is an appropriate answer..

Originally Posted by Traceur

funny how nobody addressed the question.
people, this isn't about why gays are gay, its equally about why the straight ones of you are straight. any of you willing to give a shot at explaining that odd and unnecessary decision?

for me personally, i've found that i'm not genuinely attracted to doods... the penis thing especially creeps me out.

but seriously.. it's like saying "why do you like chocolate ice cream more than you like mint ice cream?" some people might be able to cite specific reasoning, but i think for most people it's just a matter of personal preference. although, i would say that straights are straight because attraction towards the opposite gender is an instinctual characteristic to ensure the survival of our species.. can't say i know anything about non-heterosexuals though. although nowadays with artificial insemination two people don't even need to have ever met to have a child together...

but what exactly are you talking about trace? are you speaking about general attraction or just doing what "makes you feel good?" i mean.. why stop the discussion at what makes mono/poly-sexuals act the way they do? what about those people that don't even discriminate when it comes to species? i certainly hope that no one is genuinely attracted to barnyard animals (though sadly, there are probably some out there).. but that apparently doesn't stop some people...

[siphter]

I dig sex with both parties, so I think I'm counted out of this question

I'm married to a woman, but when I was sleeping around the guy's I was with had to be wicked girlie (most notably scene kids) ... I guess there was still something in my mind saying "Hey you can dig the dudes, but they have to look as close to female as possible", not sure why and I personally feel it was more than just taste guiding me toward "girlie men"

[Kaasflipje]

100% agree with Lachrymose.

[Ziegler]

Originally Posted by Lachrymose

i certainly hope that no one is genuinely attracted to barnyard animals (though sadly, there are probably some out there).. but that apparently doesn't stop some people...

Hey...Dont Fence me in!!

Where do you think those expressions like...puppydog eyes came from? ....

Or...why did Mary have a little lamb that was sure to follow....baaaaaaaaaaad

[Alyzar]

Originally Posted by AmmokK

I AM serious -.-
Being gay should be officially concidered an illness and should be treated like that. These people need treatment, not tolerance, just like aids needs.


because it´s the aim to reproduce yourselves.

Being BI is okay, since those seem to at least "know" what´s right, and just act gay because of their "fun".

Holy hell.. You're really stupid!

If ignorance was considered an illness, you'd be bed ridden.

How many straight people never have kids?

How many gay couples adopt children?

Considering the fact that here are just so many abortions, children given up, women who smoke and drink while they are pregnant, ALL straight people.

[Nephir]

Originally Posted by Alyzar

If ignorance was considered an illness, you'd be bed ridden.

Word.

Also, this is going in my sig.

[Alyzar]

Originally Posted by Nephir

Word.

Also, this is going in my sig.

[Alyzar]

Originally Posted by Cha0sThe0ry

2 men together are wrong

2 women together are just hot (assuming they're not bull dykes)

Again, another form of stupidity. You should crawl into a hole and stay there before you spread anymore dumbfuckery.

[vaniljparvelnfrånglutt]

Originally Posted by Alyzar

Again, another form of stupidity. You should crawl into a hole and stay there before you spread anymore dumbfuckery.

y so srs?

Also thanks for using the wonderful word dumbfuckery =)

[Nephir]

Originally Posted by vaniljparvelnfrånglutt

y so srs?

Ah, sex is srs bsns

[vaniljparvelnfrånglutt]

Originally Posted by Nephir

Ah, sex is srs bsns

So is trolling =D

[Nephir]

Originally Posted by vaniljparvelnfrånglutt

So is trolling =D

touché

[siphter]

Originally Posted by Cha0sThe0ry

why you ragin, bro?

GAY GUY GETTIN MAD?

OR SOUR DYKE MAN HATER RAGIN HARD?

It's ok, i can make you feel like a woman

you sound butt hurt (ha!) that he told the truth. Don't be scared of what you are, I understand, nuzzle into my warmth and let go.

[The Maternix]

Originally Posted by AmmokK

I AM serious -.-
Being gay should be officially concidered an illness and should be treated like that. These people need treatment, not tolerance, just like aids needs.


because it´s the aim to reproduce yourselves.

Being BI is okay, since those seem to at least "know" what´s right, and just act gay because of their "fun".

It should be considered an illness? Where are you getting this from? Some sick "morals" you have? A person cannot have a preference on their sexuality because of your one-viewed stance on it?
And it was, back in the 70's seen as an illness. In fact in medical terms, it was an illness to doctors. My father actually knew a good man, who was homosexual, there was nothing wrong with him, nothing altered his mind, as you are suggesting. Because of this oppression (infact this was a HIGHLY conservative area, texas) , back in the 70's, (my father is over 50 yrs old) he became an alcoholic. Take whatever you want out of that story, but some people aren't the same as you.
There are people with conflicting interests, beliefs, and sexual preferences, and there always will be.
Now, its "right" because "it's the aim to reproduce yourself" as you say? How does that make it "right"? If two gays want to have sex with each other, how does that make it "wrong"? If two lesbians want to have sex with each other how does it make that "wrong"? If a man and a woman want to, how does it make it "wrong"? Surely that sequence is better than two individuals that would rather not.
I can't see where you're getting this from, honestly. "Oh, being gay is wrong, bi is on the 5/10 spot, and yah, if your straight, your 10/10" like its some kind of "meter". I don't get this honestly, if you have a preference that doesn't allow you to reproduce, your automatically treated with an "illness"?

[Spiderspy]

Ooookey I'm going to give you my idea of this loliness....

If you try to look upon these things with an open scientifc mind all there is to it is evolution, nothing is wrong since wrongness is just a society opinion. However some things do have advantages so technicaly pedofiles and homosexuals have a hard time reproducing and wont go a long way alone.

Now let me close my mind to my personality of my influences of society and how I have been raised by our culture and ofc a bit of genes have had an affect too.

I think pedophillia is wrong I also think homosexuality is wrong I do not think the actual person is a wrongness just a person as any other human being. The reason I'm not a homosexual/bi is because I dont have any attraction to men what so ever I do not have a single reason either to be it. About women I have yet to meet "the women of my life" at least what I am aware of and I dont feel like having a relationship just built upon sex sure I am attracted so some women but thats it normaly.

Also love is a funny thing we have yet to determ what it is but we seem to have declared it a state for the human brain. I do think its something like a homemade drug made by the brain but I do not reject it, I would love to accept it if the oportunity would arise.

Theeeeere an almost well made post out of seriusness!

[Dawngreeter]

Originally Posted by Spiderspy

Also love is a funny thing we have yet to determ what it is

The exact same hormonal reaction you get after eating a lot of chocolate.

[Ziegler]

Originally Posted by Dawngreeter

The exact same hormonal reaction you get after eating a lot of chocolate.

I aint eating that much chocolate...I can think of something else to nibble on that is much more tasty.

[Lumathe]

Originally Posted by Ziegler

I aint eating that much chocolate...I can think of something else to nibble on that is much more tasty.

Pizza? No, I'm kidding.
Also, if you eat a lot of chocolate you get sick of it, but it's hard to get sick of love.
I think this sums the love thing up well:

[shadowfare]

There's guys I find sexually attractive, and there's girls I find sexually attractive. Girls more so, usually.

What kind of attributes they have, like appearance and personality I can attribute to my upbringing and what kinds of attributes I personally hold in high esteem.

But as for "why" for a specific gender, I'm totally stumped. If I had to guess, for the sake of a constructive comment, I would say it has to do with how we VIEW ourselves, and what PLACE we feel we hold in society between the idea of "male", "female" and the ENTIRE AREA INBETWEEN.

I like the idea that gender, as well as sexual preference, is a giant gradient. Black on one end, white on the other, and all shades of gray in the middle. What defines Male and Female is dictated half by biology, and half by society.

Just mah brainbarf on the subject.