if you don't get looted...

Traceur · 27th May 2008, 02:27

if you die and don't get looted, should you still resurrect with all your stuff or should you have to go and take them from your last place of death?

rick · 27th May 2008, 03:04

well if you resurrect immediately, the person who killed you would only have a few seconds to loot you. they need some time to look through your gear and pick what the want. i think you should have to run to corpse and try to salvage your own gear.

Shinzon · 27th May 2008, 03:26

Some "Underworld" mechanic would be most pleasing; much like what is done in Prey; essentialy nothing fancy, but it sure as hell beats the "Corpse Run Marathon" and with this, you don't essentialy die, you could just be knocked out per say.

You can go further and implement some minigames, that gauge how long you stay in the "Underworld" depending on how well you do in them. So if you get them down pat, you will "Ressurect" in a very short amount of time, maybe even short enough to catch the person who killed you, or you could fumble around and "Revive" only to find the killer long gone...

Arxon Havenloft · 27th May 2008, 09:49

This sounds like a poll to me... But of course you should have to run back for your stuff. If it's important enough to run back for anyways.. Though if it was that important then it probably wont be there when you get back.. The best thing you can hope for is that the person who looted you may be waiting for you to come back and give you your stuff. Some people are just that nice that they'll try to get your stuff before anyone else does and save it for you.

admiralnlson · 27th May 2008, 10:07

My idea (God I love it):

When your resurrect at a rez point, you are... naked.

The NPC priests, who are working their asses off to bring your lost soul back to the real world and recreate your body (for a price of course), will provide you with clothes (it's part of the fee).

If you want your stuff back:
Either you go back to your corpse after being rezzed by the priests.
Or you just try to find your corpse back in the Ether World, while struggling against evil spirits who want you to stay there. Beware : when you died, your soul got catapulted quite far away from your body.

Finding a channeling point (= link between Ether and Real World created by the NPC priests' prayers) is way easier.

Sebastian Persson · 27th May 2008, 10:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by admiralnlson

My idea (God I love it):

When your resurrect at a rez point, you are... naked.

The NPC priests, who are working their asses off to bring your lost soul back to the real world and recreate your body (for a price of course), will provide you with clothes (it's part of the fee).

If you want your stuff back:
Either you go back to your corpse after being rezzed by the priests.
Or you just try to find your corpse back in the Ether World, while struggling against evil spirits who want you to stay there. Beware : when you died, your soul got catapulted quite far away from your body.

Finding a channeling point (= link between Ether and Real World created by the NPC priests' prayers) is way easier.

But what happens if you die in the Etherworld? Any ides? If there's monsters I guess they can hit you but what should happen then?

admiralnlson · 27th May 2008, 10:18

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Originally Posted by Sebastian Persson

But what happens if you die in the Etherworld? Any ides? If there's monsters I guess they can hit you but what should happen then?

I'm not against permadeath, if you die in the Ether World.

But some people aren't as OK with it. So I guess these "evil spirits" could just want to grab your soul and torture it, but they wouldn't be able to destroy it.
And when you manage to escape and rez, you'll have a hell of a headache.

Traceur · 27th May 2008, 11:42

*crosses fingers for PD*

btw arxon: you can add a poll to any thread that doesn't have one already - it doesn't even needs to be your tread....
thread tools -> add a poll to this thread

The Last Spartan · 27th May 2008, 16:46

-Hits Traceur- No PD.>.>

Perma Death is very unappealing to me and to other players simply because a lag spike could be the difference between perma life and perma death.:/

Wraith · 27th May 2008, 18:16

I think you should have to go find your body to get what wasn't looted. I also think your body should be able to be looted by scavengers who happen to be passing by.

Shinzon · 27th May 2008, 20:12

I hate corpse run marathons, nothing but a useless time sink; might as well have someone unplug the keyboard for 5 mins, has the exact same effect.

Traceur · 27th May 2008, 20:36

i agree corpse runs are a pain in the upper-left bum cheek... but what if people use death to transport stuff to their place of resurrection?

Khantrah · 27th May 2008, 20:46

There's lots of reasons why getting non-looted items back upon resurrection doesn't make sense in a full loot game. Loot belongs to bodies, and bodies belong to whoever controls them -- whether that be players controlling live bodies or players controlling the ground a dead body has fallen on.

For instance, big battles mean lots of loot staying on bodies for a good while before the victors are able to get to the looting of them. It would be stupid for one of the combatants to be able to leave the battlefield, res fully equipped, and then rejoin the same battle with no penalty simply because they weren't looted fast enough.

What game does this idea of the monotonous "corpse run" come from? In UO, if you didn't have friends with you that survived whatever it was that killed you, your stuff was as good as gone anyway 9 times out of 10. So I usually just didn't bother.

Traceur · 27th May 2008, 20:53

on the other hand i can imagine players starting to bring empty wagons into battle just to take all the stuff of the fallen...

yep, i know it looks like I'm counter arguing my own arguments but i am really very undecided on this...

Danach · 27th May 2008, 21:06

I would say the lost equipment stays on the corpse until you or someone else gets the goods.

Arxon Havenloft · 28th May 2008, 03:02

I say if you allow the shit to be looted back by the same guy that you just killed then it's your own fault for being retarded. The gear should remain on the corpse. Of course it should. Usually the player probably wont find a need to come back for it in a PvP battle because he assumes anything worth getting back is already gone. The only time the player will care to retrieve his shit is when he's soloing a mob or something and manages to die. He can't expect another player to come along and loot him if he was alone for a while. So he goes back to try and get his shit back. Of course if monsters can loot then he'd have to kill off a few mobs to get all of his stuff back.

Divinius · 30th May 2008, 03:17

perm death would not work in a large mmo. Its ok for Diablo, but for an mmo where people dedicate way too much of their time. A death could = mass suicides lol.

But realistically, PD would bring fear of dying = less pvp. Hey I might die when I die , oh no!

Saying this game is a hit, having one character for a year only to lose it forever in a sec?

OMGPIE · 30th May 2008, 04:26

You should get them on rez I think and if this happens you are extremely lucky.

admiralnlson · 30th May 2008, 11:03

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Originally Posted by Divinius

Saying this game is a hit, having one character for a year only to lose it forever in a sec?

You wouldn't plan on keeping a character for a year. When you create the char, assume it's already dead. So that when it dies a few in-game hours (or maybe days) later, it's ok.

That'd be a different type of game.

Traceur · 30th May 2008, 11:13

wait, when did this thread became a PD thread? 3 threads in the same time for 1 conversation?!

admiralnlson · 30th May 2008, 11:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traceur

wait, when did this thread became a PD thread? 3 threads in the same time for 1 conversation?!

Well the question in the OP has been answered unanimously ^^

Traceur · 30th May 2008, 11:29

good point... but we have like 3-4-maybe-more PD threads going on right now in the same time...
i'm going to have to start using bots if we get any more

Chupaloco · 30th May 2008, 19:40

I liked the WoW system. If you rez at the spirit. Your gear will 25% durabillity and if you rez at your corpse a litte less.

Arxon Havenloft · 30th May 2008, 23:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chupaloco

I liked the WoW system. If you rez at the spirit. Your gear will 25% durabillity and if you rez at your corpse a litte less.

So you want to rez with all of your gear on you? That's not even full loot.

mike470 · 31st May 2008, 03:51

If you are not looted then your items just lay there until some lucky person passes by and gets your items.

Divinius · 31st May 2008, 03:59

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Originally Posted by Shinzon

Some "Underworld" mechanic would be most pleasing; much like what is done in Prey; essentialy nothing fancy, but it sure as hell beats the "Corpse Run Marathon" and with this, you don't essentialy die, you could just be knocked out per say.

You can go further and implement some minigames, that gauge how long you stay in the "Underworld" depending on how well you do in them. So if you get them down pat, you will "Ressurect" in a very short amount of time, maybe even short enough to catch the person who killed you, or you could fumble around and "Revive" only to find the killer long gone...

This idea can work very well, if it is developed very well. I think this is one of the best bets mortal online can take

I suppose Mike idea can work well.

If there is outdoor raid bosses like in old school WoW. Huge PvP battles over who gets the kill the dragon. PvP for PvE, people are too distracted killing each other to loot. You can revive with your gear if noone loots it, and continue the killing.

Because anyone who remembers the good parts of WoW will remember the hundreds of huge! battles over the Green Dragons.

Arxon Havenloft · 31st May 2008, 04:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Divinius

This idea can work very well, if it is developed very well. I think this is one of the best bets mortal online can take

I suppose Mike idea can work well.

If there is outdoor raid bosses like in old school WoW. Huge PvP battles over who gets the kill the dragon. PvP for PvE, people are too distracted killing each other to loot. You can revive with your gear if noone loots it, and continue the killing.

Because anyone who remembers the good parts of WoW will remember the hundreds of huge! battles over the Green Dragons.

As long a

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Shinzon Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 19 Posts: 937 Rep Power: 3	Some "Underworld" mechanic would be most pleasing; much like what is done in Prey; essentialy nothing fancy, but it sure as hell beats the "Corpse Run Marathon" and with this, you don't essentialy die, you could just be knocked out per say. You can go further and implement some minigames, that gauge how long you stay in the "Underworld" depending on how well you do in them. So if you get them down pat, you will "Ressurect" in a very short amount of time, maybe even short enough to catch the person who killed you, or you could fumble around and "Revive" only to find the killer long gone... __________________ www.aegis-imperium.com

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admiralnlson Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sophia-Antipolis Guild: Aegis Imperium Age: 26 Posts: 771 Rep Power: 2	My idea (God I love it): When your resurrect at a rez point, you are... naked. The NPC priests, who are working their asses off to bring your lost soul back to the real world and recreate your body (for a price of course), will provide you with clothes (it's part of the fee). If you want your stuff back: Either you go back to your corpse after being rezzed by the priests. Or you just try to find your corpse back in the Ether World, while struggling against evil spirits who want you to stay there. Beware : when you died, your soul got catapulted quite far away from your body. Finding a channeling point (= link between Ether and Real World created by the NPC priests' prayers) is way easier. __________________ "All things being equal, the simplest solution tends to be the best one." - William of Ockham

27th May 2008, 11:42	#8 (permalink)
Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,587 Rep Power: 8	crosses fingers for PD btw arxon: you can add a poll to any thread that doesn't have one already - it doesn't even needs to be your tread.... thread tools -> add a poll to this thread __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

27th May 2008, 16:46	#9 (permalink)
The Last Spartan Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 551 Rep Power: 2	-Hits Traceur- No PD.>.> Perma Death is very unappealing to me and to other players simply because a lag spike could be the difference between perma life and perma death.:/ __________________ My idea of a Magic System. Look for my posts. My idea of a Veteran Reward. Look for my post.

27th May 2008, 03:04	#2 (permalink)
rick Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Olivehurst, California Age: 20 Posts: 301 Rep Power: 1	well if you resurrect immediately, the person who killed you would only have a few seconds to loot you. they need some time to look through your gear and pick what the want. i think you should have to run to corpse and try to salvage your own gear.

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Wraith Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 1	I think you should have to go find your body to get what wasn't looted. I also think your body should be able to be looted by scavengers who happen to be passing by.

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Shinzon Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 19 Posts: 937 Rep Power: 3	I hate corpse run marathons, nothing but a useless time sink; might as well have someone unplug the keyboard for 5 mins, has the exact same effect. __________________ www.aegis-imperium.com

27th May 2008, 20:36	#12 (permalink)
Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,587 Rep Power: 8	i agree corpse runs are a pain in the upper-left bum cheek... but what if people use death to transport stuff to their place of resurrection? __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

27th May 2008, 20:46	#13 (permalink)
Khantrah Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 13 Rep Power: 0	There's lots of reasons why getting non-looted items back upon resurrection doesn't make sense in a full loot game. Loot belongs to bodies, and bodies belong to whoever controls them -- whether that be players controlling live bodies or players controlling the ground a dead body has fallen on. For instance, big battles mean lots of loot staying on bodies for a good while before the victors are able to get to the looting of them. It would be stupid for one of the combatants to be able to leave the battlefield, res fully equipped, and then rejoin the same battle with no penalty simply because they weren't looted fast enough. What game does this idea of the monotonous "corpse run" come from? In UO, if you didn't have friends with you that survived whatever it was that killed you, your stuff was as good as gone anyway 9 times out of 10. So I usually just didn't bother.

27th May 2008, 20:53	#14 (permalink)
Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,587 Rep Power: 8	on the other hand i can imagine players starting to bring empty wagons into battle just to take all the stuff of the fallen... yep, i know it looks like I'm counter arguing my own arguments but i am really very undecided on this... __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

27th May 2008, 21:06	#15 (permalink)
Danach Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 146 Rep Power: 0	I would say the lost equipment stays on the corpse until you or someone else gets the goods.

30th May 2008, 03:17	#17 (permalink)
Divinius Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 135 Rep Power: 1	perm death would not work in a large mmo. Its ok for Diablo, but for an mmo where people dedicate way too much of their time. A death could = mass suicides lol. But realistically, PD would bring fear of dying = less pvp. Hey I might die when I die , oh no! Saying this game is a hit, having one character for a year only to lose it forever in a sec?

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OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,504 Rep Power: 4	You should get them on rez I think and if this happens you are extremely lucky. __________________

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Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,587 Rep Power: 8	wait, when did this thread became a PD thread? 3 threads in the same time for 1 conversation?! __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

30th May 2008, 11:29	#22 (permalink)
Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,587 Rep Power: 8	good point... but we have like 3-4-maybe-more PD threads going on right now in the same time... i'm going to have to start using bots if we get any more __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

30th May 2008, 19:40	#23 (permalink)
Chupaloco Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 22 Rep Power: 0	I liked the WoW system. If you rez at the spirit. Your gear will 25% durabillity and if you rez at your corpse a litte less. __________________ MMO's adventured: UO, DAoC, Planetside, SWG, EQ1, EQ2, AO, AC2, WoW and waiting for my AoC copy from play.com. Pre-ordered Warhammer. A good MMO have a seamless world.

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mike470 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 133 Rep Power: 1	If you are not looted then your items just lay there until some lucky person passes by and gets your items.