Vaporware screamers, Eat this!

[KroqGar]

Originally Posted by Shawk

I have as much evidence that Darkfall is a real game as almost all games that were in pre-release that this game will be good, I have played many games, I know when a game is good or when it's bad, obviously I will need to play it to be completely sure, but from what I have seen the game looks very well developed.

That's fantastic. Darkfall is a real game, or so you've been told. Have you ever played it, or seen anyone play it? All you've seen is a video, which could have been mocked up in the, what is it 7 years, they've had to develop it. I'm not saying it is, I'm just saying it could possibly be, so don't take such a definitive stance. As for you not talking about whether or not it'll be a good game, you actually did in the last post I responded to. You were wondering why the game lore looked bad, and I answered. Seeing as you want to get the thread back on topic after it was derailed, although I think you were the one to derail it, then I'll back out as I have no real opinion about Darkfall being Vaporware.

As for my opinion not mattering, believe me it's reciprocal. But, seeing as this entire thread is based on opinion (Evidence on something that as of yet doesn't exist, and the only proof is the word of another person, isn't exactly concrete), then I think you should start caring a little more about what other people have to say and cut back with the superiority complex.

Also, I'd really rather you didn't teach me about a game I won't play. That's like learning advanced calculus when you want to be an author. Nearly useless.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by KroqGar

That's fantastic. Darkfall is a real game. As for you not talking about whether or not it'll be a good game, you actually did in the last post I responded to. You were wondering why the game looked bad, and I answered.

As for my opinion not mattering, believe me it's reciprocal. But, seeing as this entire thread is based on opinion (Evidence on something that as of yet doesn't exist, and the only proof is the word of another person, isn't exactly concrete), then I think you should start caring a little more about what other people have to say and cut back with the superiority complex.

I think I like being the guy that bashes people that seriously do not understand what a good game is instead.. Some opinions are like blowjobs, they either suck, blow, or bite... yours, well.. you are a damn good blowjob sir.

But hey, thanks for the advice.. I feel I should be giving you some in return... I'm sorry.

[KroqGar]

Originally Posted by Shawk

Some opinions are like blowjobs, they either suck, blow, or bite... yours, well.. you are a damn good blowjob sir.

I'm not exactly sure what the hell that means, but thanks. I think I'm going to have to take it as an insult. I have a feeling yours would be a combo of the first and last, personally, if I understand it right.

[Siegfried]

Originally Posted by Shawk

I think I like being the guy that bashes people that seriously do not understand what a good game is instead.. Some opinions are like blowjobs, they either suck, blow, or bite... yours, well.. you are a damn good blowjob sir.

What...
...the


HELL?

...Y'know what, never mind, I don't want to know.

[Traceur]

let's see, the argument has 4 sides:

1) the game will release and be the best thing since sliced lemons
2) the game will release but will be crappy or at list not all it's hyped.
3) the game won't release ever.
4) Zen & the art of game following: we won't know until the client is in our harddrives.

if i wanted to join in, which i don't really, but i am having a hell of a stomach ache and i figured a flame war can be thereputic until this tea sets in, who would i join? the enthusiasts? the skeptics? the dissers or the zen masters?

i guess i'm a lttle bit on the zen side because i followed a couple of games that got canceled in the past, so i don't get my hopes too high (ok i do, but i try really hard not too).

but mainly i'm a skeptic, because quite frankly DF seems to me to be like RvR in disguise, and even if it's not, i am not confident that an FFA PVP game can create the social enviroment i am looking for without people being afraid to die (a killing death panelty) - this is a doubt i have in both DF & MO btw - i don't like non-FFA restrictions but i don't like meaningless killfests either. my last worry is the same reason that while following the game's information releases i never joined the community - it's not a good community. i'm not saying everyone there is like that, but one look at the forum and i want to tear my eyes out. normally the pre-release gaming communty doesn't represent the post-release community, but.. if it stays with the same vibes it has today just on a bigger scale, then there is no way it can turn into fun - on the long run an MMO is only as good as the people you find in it, and that can be darkfall's fall.

but if the game doesn't fall into any of my concerns, then by all means i'm going to enjoy it

[skeaser]

You know what, I'm not really too worried about it. If it comes out, I'll probably give it a shot, outdated graphics or not, as long as they are decent, I'm satisfied, I don't need uber-sexy graphics to make me happy. They've got some decent ideas and think that if it releases it will be decent. If it doesn't come out, well, then I have one less thing to occupy my time until Mortal comes out.

[Gungrave]

Originally Posted by Traceur

this is a doubt i have in both DF & MO btw - i don't like non-FFA restrictions but i don't like meaningless killfests either.

Same here. Without well implemented karma/pk or whatever system ffa pvp can be real disaster.

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by Mukan

I'll start by saying I could care less how DF turns out. If it's great, great, if it isn't, unfortunate, another failed MMO. I never bothered looking into it, I'm here waiting for MO. So, take this as you will.

Look at AoC. It shipped with most of it's features. It turned out horribly. You're forgetting how badly bugs and such can cripple a game, even if it has the best features in the world.

I dont think AoC is horrible. its definatly better than playing WoW which is a slow gear grind now. at least its flipping differant. i just want something fun.

[Mukan]

Originally Posted by Brodie

I dont think AoC is horrible. its definatly better than playing WoW which is a slow gear grind now. at least its flipping differant. i just want something fun.

Don't get me wrong, AoC was entertaining for a time, but when you got an 80 and another 70+ and another 60+ and your guild has cleared all the tier 1 content in the first week they started raiding (read: I didnt play AoC to raid), you tend to notice all the bugs and imbalances and it slowly eats away at your mind, driving you to the point of insanity.

[Arkane]

I am personally looking forward to DarkFall and my fear is not if the game will come out, I fear a lot of the features will not be here for it though.

[Brodie]

Originally Posted by Mukan

Don't get me wrong, AoC was entertaining for a time, but when you got an 80 and another 70+ and another 60+ and your guild has cleared all the tier 1 content in the first week they started raiding (read: I didnt play AoC to raid), you tend to notice all the bugs and imbalances and it slowly eats away at your mind, driving you to the point of insanity.

yeah i fully agree. ive got my BS to level 61 and im already craving something more. so much is just missing.

[Arkane]

Originally Posted by Brodie

yeah i fully agree. ive got my BS to level 61 and im already craving something more. so much is just missing.

Wait to see what happens when you reach the level cap!

[Tehghost132]

the internet is serious business

[Aragoni]

Doubt it will arrive.

[zachrates]

I find it hilarious that there's so many DF fans on this forum. Doesn't this in fact prove that they were exploring other MMO's? If you were so sure DF would be released, they wouldn't even be here lol.

[Shawk]

Originally Posted by zachrates

I find it hilarious that there's so many DF fans on this forum. Doesn't this in fact prove that they were exploring other MMO's? If you were so sure DF would be released, they wouldn't even be here lol.

Wow, DF fans just got pwned eh?

I have to remind myself sometimes when I'm playing CoD4 that I'm no longer aloud to play Counter-strike source because I love CoD4 so much..

Don't breed.

[Ravenwoods]

Originally Posted by Nehemia

Quote from Tasos, one of the developers of Darkfall:

I see the community has already discovered a couple of news items so I'll briefly comment on them:

As we've mentioned before we had been working on a self-publishing deal, and we've signed with AudioVisual Enterprises to work with us on the European distribution end of Darkfall's publishing. We will make an official announcement on this when it's time for it. Being a public company they are obligated to make a report of their dealings to the stock market and that's the announcement you read about. We're very happy to be working with them especially since we participate in the management of the project.


Can someone link the site where it reads more about this?
Anyway, Aventurine has a product to publish.

Do I look like I care at all? For me it is MO> Darkfall...

[Ravenwoods]

Originally Posted by Shawk

Wow, DF fans just got pwned eh?

I have to remind myself sometimes when I'm playing CoD4 that I'm no longer aloud to play Counter-strike source because I love CoD4 so much..

Don't breed.

Yeh because playing or liking another game is pretty much dumb and blasphemous action particularly if you are waiting for something to come out(you can't even play it).../sigh

I must be a pretty weird person to be waitin for MO release, playing AoC and WoW at the same time also finding some time for Titan Quest with friends and occasionally TF2ing too.

[Xzi]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

Yeh because playing or liking another game is pretty much dumb and blasphemous action particularly if you are waiting for something to come out(you can't even play it).../sigh

I must be a pretty weird person to be waitin for MO release, playing AoC and WoW at the same time also finding some time for Titan Quest with friends and occasionally TF2ing too.

I think...you're agreeing with him. Of course if that was your intention, disregard this, but you're both saying the same thing in a roundabout, sarcastic way.

[Ravenwoods]

yeh i was agreeing..I kind of realised I wasn't clear enough

[Deja vu]

I dont see why I cant plan on playing both? I think its funny how the MMO players all ways try to limit them selves to 1 game.

[zachrates]

lol I'm just pointing out the irony calm down people.

[Traceur]

for me it depends. first of all i assume both games get released... this is a null argument which i won't join on any side. i will believe it is vaporware when it gets canceled or believe it isn't when it gets released. naturally if one of them doesn't get released, then the other one wins.

second of all i assume that MO has open siege warfare (destructible housing), this assumption might be wrong, but as far as i'm concerned MO is irrelevant to my preferred playstyles otherwise. so if MO doesn't have that, DF wins by default.

assuming they both have open siege warfare, then it comes to my concern regarding DF's 3 "realms" (elves/dwarves/humans, orcs/wolves, dark elves) - if DF's 3 racial groups prevail and dominant the enviroment not leaving much room for player civilzation, then MO again wins.

otherwise, if both games feature both open siege warfare and space for player civilziations, then it comes down to the core gameplay - combat mechanics, crafting systems, additional features (DF's naval warfare, MO's religion), etc' - what is more fun?

if i find both to be fun, then the choice comes down to the community: which game has more people i like? which people would i rather call my friends? judging by the current state of communities, MO wins by a long shot.... but both are just pre-release communities, and might not make much of a difference later on.

[The Last Spartan]

DFO apparently has many flaws in their Law System/Doesn't have one. Can anyone confirm this?

[Xzi]

Originally Posted by The Last Spartan

DFO apparently has many flaws in their Law System/Doesn't have one. Can anyone confirm this?

Laws are created separate for each player city. The only thing really against the "law" outside of cities is attacking races of your own faction. You can always do it whenever you want, but you'll take alignment hits until eventually you're set as evil. Surviving as an evil player will be tough because you won't have access to NPC vendors, most player cities, etc.

So yea, I can confirm that you have no idea what you're talking about.

[Nehemia]

Originally Posted by Xzi

You can always do it whenever you want, but you'll take alignment hits until eventually you're set as evil. Surviving as an evil player will be tough because you won't have access to NPC vendors, most player cities, etc.

Well, there are "neutral towns" which have chaos stones where evil players can bind to. In addition, those who claim Darkfall will be mindless killfest, are wrong, just taking look at Ultima Online, there were Pk's of course, but instead of being killfest it was organized fightning between good and evil. What we'll see in Darkfall will be the same but between clans, and perhaps sometimes, races. Darkfall seems to have the best mmorpg politics since Shadowbane, and it hasn't even released yet.