navemap.com mapping the world of MO.

[Branwulf]

UPDATE:
The new Navemap CMS site is online for people to check out and test.

Also, updated map page with latest test version:
http://www.navemap.com/myrland
-or-
http://www.navemap.com/pages.php?pageid=1

Currently looking for:
▪ Web Designer: Understanding of Google Maps API/OpenLayer and how to replicate this.
▪ Future moderators and frontpage article writers (political correspondents).

And I don't make the map image, so don't send me messages about corrections :3

[kio1992]

so if i get lost in Nave all i have to do is press alt, open up firefox, type in www.Navemap.com, find where i am, then look for directions, all without getting myself pked

anyway, it's a good concept and im sure it will turn out great, but you may have some people moan that mapmaking is part of the game and this ruins it.

[StJudas]

Awsome consept , good luck with this enterprise!

-StJudas

[Beeph]

Seems like a good idea. Hopefully it works out for you. I'm not artistically gifted what-so-ever, so I am of no use, but hopefully you guys find someone who can do it!

[Branwulf]

Originally Posted by kio1992

you may have some people moan that mapmaking is part of the game and this ruins it.

True, I thought about that for some time, but realistically i think most people will want a referrence to locations of player build cities, territory/control areas and so on, this will take a long to to construct anyway as there is no easy map to screenshot from the game.

End of the day there will be maps made outside the game anyway, and isn't it better to have a known place to find them which you can use if you want?

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by Branwulf

True, I thought about that for some time, but realistically i think most people will want a referrence to locations of player build cities, territory/control areas and so on, this will take a long to to construct anyway as there is no easy map to screenshot from the game.

End of the day there will be maps made outside the game anyway, and isn't it better to have a known place to find them which you can use if you want?

What you are saying is very true. Sure, people who try to make their own maps and stuff will be at a disadvantage once your site gets going, but that is just the way of things. I'm glad you guys are taking Pathfinders to a new level and it seems like you have a fantastic idea. I am going to try my hand at some mapmaking, and if they end up being any good I will certainly be glad to contribute.

[Karisma]

Originally Posted by Eonwe

What you are saying is very true. Sure, people who try to make their own maps and stuff will be at a disadvantage once your site gets going, but that is just the way of things. I'm glad you guys are taking Pathfinders to a new level and it seems like you have a fantastic idea. I am going to try my hand at some mapmaking, and if they end up being any good I will certainly be glad to contribute.

Indeed. Its not that we want to make the ingame cartographers redundant, i personally think ingame map making is a brilliant feature. Sadly, so long as there is the ability to do so, someone will always make a map and put it on the internet. We're just going to make sure we do it properly, keep it updated and keep relevant information on it, such as guild cities/territory etc.

Thanks for the kind words guys, its much appreciated.

[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by Eonwe

What you are saying is very true. Sure, people who try to make their own maps and stuff will be at a disadvantage once your site gets going, but that is just the way of things. I'm glad you guys are taking Pathfinders to a new level and it seems like you have a fantastic idea. I am going to try my hand at some mapmaking, and if they end up being any good I will certainly be glad to contribute.

don't accept eonwe's maps unless you like being led into wyvern infested caverns labeled as "safe mining spot."

nice idea though, i hope this turns out well.

[Lion1978]

Originally Posted by Lachrymose

don't accept eonwe's maps unless you like being led into wyvern infested caverns labeled as "safe mining spot."

nice idea though, i hope this turns out well.

*ROFL*

Yes that could be happening ......

[Edocsil]

You could always make the website require a login. Activations could be charged in game. Of course, this wouldn't stop anyone from leaking the maps elsewhere though.

[Eonwe]

Originally Posted by Lachrymose

don't accept eonwe's maps unless you like being led into wyvern infested caverns labeled as "safe mining spot."

nice idea though, i hope this turns out well.

Lachry, that is quite possibly the lowest blow you've ever dealt me.

[Branwulf]

Anyone who knows how to use the Google Maps API for such a purpose let me know.

[Noryl]

Originally Posted by kio1992

so if i get lost in Nave all i have to do is press alt, open up firefox, type in www.Navemap.com, find where i am, then look for directions, all without getting myself pked

anyway, it's a good concept and im sure it will turn out great, but you may have some people moan that mapmaking is part of the game and this ruins it.

Well in all fairness, the MAP is ever changing. What use to be there may not be their anymore. I am talking about EPIC monsters/Player controlled territory/player built cities etc etc. So I don't think this will be as "big" as a problem as some might think.

[Branwulf]

This is a test, see what you think: http://www.navemap.com/myr.html

With no real knowledge of Google Map API this is the best I can do at the moment.

[Achec]

Good luck with your endeavor; looks interesting i'll make sure to keep an eye on it.

[Turneep]

I want you to be successful but I really dont want a map so easy to access outside of the game so in a way I hope it fails >.<

[Ieyasu]

I have to say that's pretty neat, and would love to contribute as I know when I start playing I'll be an explorer.

Although don't expect everything to be on there. I'm sure there will be a market in maps that lead to "secret" places.

[Branwulf]

Thanks for the support, currently we need staff to manage the forum, you don't have to join the guild to apply to help, just be a de facto Cartographer and serious about it and the site.

[XeЯos]

Myself and others are already working on a map (the actual map in terms of geography is nearly complete), unless you're in Block A beta we really can't share anything with you. Good luck in your endeavors.

[Dexter27]

Sounds interesting.
Maybe we can cooperate in some way and we can include your map (if you use the google api this should be no problem) on:
www.mortalonline-szene.de.

So we could make it available to the german MO-Community too and translate all the stuff into german.

let me know, PM me or email me if you re interested.

Dexter

[Branwulf]

Originally Posted by XeЯos

Myself and others are already working on a map (the actual map in terms of geography is nearly complete), unless you're in Block A beta we really can't share anything with you. Good luck in your endeavors.

I am in Block A yes, but I can't put anything reflecting the actually world from the beta up until the NDA is lifted anyway.

[kio1992]

seems strange to make a map during beta when everything could be changed at the last moment.

[ice of death]

Originally Posted by kio1992

seems strange to make a map during beta when everything could be changed at the last moment.

Making an accurate map of beta doesnt take more then a day (up to 6 hours max i gues)
I have a personal map with everything on it, only thing wich might be off abit is the scaling but with the viewdistance that small difference does not matter.

So making a map of beta isnt that much waste of time as its quite easy to make and you can use it aslong as beta lasts (if you have trouble remembering) and share it with your friends. And some people like to just run around exploring and writing it down.

[XeЯos]

Originally Posted by Branwulf

I am in Block A yes, but I can't put anything reflecting the actually world from the beta up until the NDA is lifted anyway.

We have a LOT of panoramic shots, as well as many, many screenshots dedicated to exploring the lands. Maybe a collaboration is in order?

Feel free to PM me.

[Murata]

Sorry, but I hope you fail horribly. If there's one thing I don't want in MO, it's an online map people are going to refer to.

[XeЯos]

Originally Posted by Murata

Sorry, but I hope you fail horribly. If there's one thing I don't want in MO, it's an online map people are going to refer to.

It will take many, many hours to do it, but we're gonna do it; people want it, I know I'm gonna do it, Branwulf will do it and many others will too. Don't look at it then, it's not like we're forcing it in your facet, we're basically running around to EVERY nook and cranny of the world to map it out because we love exploration and that's a legitimate part of the game. We will probably take hundreds of screenshots, create panoramic shots of environments, locate npcs and hidden areas. I mean at least show some gratitude <snip>.

[Branwulf]

Originally Posted by Murata

If there's one thing I don't want in MO, it's an online map people are going to refer to.

I can understand why people don't like the idea, I do see that point of view, but in the end of the day, it's a decent, community run atlas where you can find out information you might need as a guild, like city locations for political matters and later for planning sieges, it's a double edged sword but it's something as a guild leader myself, I know that for all the coolness of the lack of maps in MO creating more immersion and need to explore (which I think is great), this is something that when that has worn off and sieges are in, is going to be important.

The idea isn't to "ruin the game" by telling everyone where stuff is, it's an outside tool you can use if you want, it'll happen regardless of navemap, but isn't it better that at least we're trying to organize something?

[Murata]

Originally Posted by XeЯos

I mean at least show some gratitude <snip>.

Just a bit biased, don't you think? If you pull it off, then sure, fucking amazing. It's still not going to change my mind about not wanting it. If you can create a map of the whole fucking game, then of course I'm going to admire it, every nook and cranny and I'll fucking kiss your feet and clean your shoes. My opinion of the topic doesn't reflect my opinion on the input, just look at boxing, I'm in no way a boxing fan, but I admire the boxers, obviously. You should probably calm the fuck down.

Originally Posted by Branwulf

I can understand why people don't like the idea, I do see that point of view, but in the end of the day, it's a decent, community run atlas where you can find out information you might need as a guild, like city locations for political matters and later for planning sieges, it's a double edged sword but it's something as a guild leader myself, I know that for all the coolness of the lack of maps in MO creating more immersion and need to explore (which I think is great), this is something that when that has worn off and sieges are in, is going to be important.

Yes, I too see the point in making it, and I too will use it, obviously. No one is going to purposefully put themself at a dissadvantage of this size.

Originally Posted by Branwulf

The idea isn't to "ruin the game" by telling everyone where stuff is, it's an outside tool you can use if you want, it'll happen regardless of navemap, but isn't it better that at least we're trying to organize something?

I know you don't want to ruin the game, but I really think it would be alot better if people were to make their own maps based on their cartography skill. With Navemap, what's the point of the cartography, or making a map at all?

[Branwulf]

Originally Posted by Murata

I know you don't want to ruin the game, but I really think it would be alot better if people were to make their own maps based on their cartography skill. With Navemap, what's the point of the cartography, or making a map at all?

That's something we won't know until the game is released, chances are it'd be best to navigate with a map and compass in game then putting yourself at risk to check this map, we don't know how it works yet.

[Branwulf]

As someone aptly pointed out, Cartography was spelt wrong in all the logos , that's been changed.

[Lagoon]

Originally Posted by Murata

Sorry, but I hope you fail horribly. If there's one thing I don't want in MO, it's an online map people are going to refer to.

Same here, nothing against you guys, but I'm against such a project. And the "eventually someone else will do it" excuse doesn't stand. If you are against internet maps, then don't do them and boycot them as much as possible, instead of trying to do a more detailed and globally accessible one.

So what you did was analyze the problem, decide you don't care at all and piss on the cartography ingame mechanic. Hopefully ingame cartography will be more than that, but you are ruining part of it.

If I were the developers I'd even add a forum rule against links pointing to websites with such a content. Of course that wouldn't eliminate the problem, but somehow limit it.

[Branwulf]

Originally Posted by Lagoon

So what you did was analyze the problem, decide you don't care at all and piss on the cartography ingame mechanic. Hopefully ingame cartography will be more than that, but you are ruining part of it.

If I were the developers I'd even add a forum rule against links pointing to websites with such a content. Of course that wouldn't eliminate the problem, but somehow limit it.

Although as i've said I understand and respect that people don't like it and expected this, that's a pretty shallow way to look at it, firstly i'm not against internet maps, i'd not have started this if I was, I know from experience that when playing the game, maybe not right away, i'm going to be in need of a persistant referrance, for the location of other guilds and their cities, something which will be changing constantly I expect, more so as more islands are added.

The entire idea is dependant on the in game mechanic aswell, without maps drawn in map, how will we piece together an accurate one of the world?

Your biasd perspective is shadowing you from the purpose of this community project.

[jonrd463]

To the naysayers, remember that responsibility for using it lies directly with you. I personally won't use it until I've uncovered all the hidden areas in the game on my own. After that, I figure it'll be nice as a general reference.

Good luck guys. Chances are I won't see it myself for a loooong time to come.

[jonrd463]

HOWEVER... to the guys making the map, I can totally see your point about the changing political boundaries. Ever considered limiting it to a political map, with just rudimentary indications of the geography, like mountain ranges, coastlines, etc.? It'd definitely serve the use of keeping track of who controls what area, while still retaining the value of in-game maps. I think what people are worried about is making the in-game marketability of the cartography skill null.

[Branwulf]

Originally Posted by jonrd463

serve the use of keeping track of who controls what area, while still retaining the value of in-game maps. I think what people are worried about is making the in-game marketability of the cartography skill null.

That is exactly what my goal is, thank you for understanding.

[Lagoon]

Originally Posted by jonrd463

I think what people are worried about is making the in-game marketability of the cartography skill null.

Of course that's one of the main concern. Not only you make null the marketability of the cartography skill, but its whole use becomes null too. Even if I wanted to craft maps and give them for free, it would still become totally unappreciated since "I already use navemaps.com".
I can pretend navemaps.com doesn't exist, but if I want to be a cartograper in game, I'll be forced to live in a world were 90% of characters has a smartphone with googlenavemaps on it and doesn't care at all of my cartography skills.
That's not that if I don't use it, it stops to have its effects on the world my character lives in.

@Branwulf
Your purpose if very clear and my view is far from shallow, I perfectly understand what you're trying to do and I perfectly understand that you don't care if you greatly contribute to the uselessness of the ingame cartography skill.

You still have an option to create a cartography guild without having to publish maps on a website. Give them in game, that's what the whole cartography skill concept is for! Ask a price or do it for free, I don't care how you give them, but keep it an ingame experience.

Doing it with a website is totally against the spirit of this game, IMHO.
Otherwise we'd have global chats, minimaps, autoidentifying items, and so on...

Also, I don't think you maps will be so much based on cartography skill efforts. There is a way to obtain ingame coords in beta and it's not so difficult to exploit it to draw a detailed map, you need no cartography skill to do that.

You aren't against internet maps, but if you really cared about the ingame cartography mechanics, then you should be against internet maps.

And what exactly makes my perspective biased? Any perspective is biased, yours included. Don't state the obvious to sound different, there's nothing which make your point of view more objective than mine.

[sCouraGe]

Just think while people are trying to loook at these 3rd party maps, oportunists like myself can sneak up on them and put a hatchet in their arse. That being said I think this si a good idea and as long as clans have intentions of keeping secrets I am sure that in-game maps and clan only-maps will still be valuable. No one is going to put "most awesome harvesting spot" on the public map unless its a trap.

[Branwulf]

Originally Posted by Lagoon

Also, I don't think you maps will be so much based on cartography skill efforts. There is a way to obtain ingame coords in beta and it's not so difficult to exploit it to draw a detailed map, you need no cartography skill to do that.

That's a flaw in the game not on my or anyone elses part, people will naturally take advantage of it, I fully expect that the better and more accruate maps will be made through the efforts of people using the skill.

Originally Posted by Lagoon

You aren't against internet maps, but if you really cared about the ingame cartography mechanics, then you should be against internet maps.

This is your opinion and you've no right to force it onto other people.

Originally Posted by Lagoon

I perfectly understand that you don't care if you greatly contribute to the uselessness of the ingame cartography skill.

That's not the point or purpose at all, if anything most people would rather have a reference in the game than out, I know I would in most situations, your view on the purpose of out of game maps is warped in that you think, we nothing to base in on other than your assumptions and opinion that it will be detrimental to the games cartography mechanic, I don't believe that.

I don't want to argue about it really, but I will defend myself.

[jonrd463]

Originally Posted by Branwulf

That is exactly what my goal is, thank you for understanding.

So, just so I'm clear, are you not going to be including hidden things that are much better to discover as you play, such as various caves, dungeons, etc? Is it strictly going to be a political map?

[Alyzar]

Neat concept here.

Good luck.