Should levels/classes/names be displayed?

Faidor · 10th July 2008, 04:13

They wouldn't be on a real battlefield, but thats beside the point.
If they are, fine. If not, better. I kind of like it when people don’t know everything there is to know about me just by taking a single glimpse. No more should there be, “Oh, he’s ten levels lower, I’m gonna waste him.” Or “Oh he’s wearing the robes of the purple falcon. He’s a wizard, mid 20’s in level, probably specializes in evocations.” I mean c’mon! Or when strangers call out your name: ”Hey Gorge ol’ buddy, wanna help us fight this beasty?” Its like, ‘do I know you?’

rick · 10th July 2008, 04:16

the devs have stated that they plan on a person's name being displayed when you point your crosshair at them. also, there are no levels in mortal.

Mogar · 10th July 2008, 05:03

well Rick knocked that one out...

i dont want to see hovering names anyway

OMGPIE · 10th July 2008, 06:29

Good job on that one rick...I would hate if there were floating names I don't think that showing classes would be a good idea either because it is kind of pointless to do so just watch them fight or inspect what weapons/armor they have and u could probably tell.

Ulti · 10th July 2008, 14:18

showing the class besides the name would be abit to revealing in a full PvP game, wouldn't it?

Zigkirby · 10th July 2008, 15:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ulti

showing the class besides the name would be abit to revealing in a full PvP game, wouldn't it?

And that there are no true classes. I guess they could display what "class society" they belong to if any.

Lyllyth · 10th July 2008, 15:25

Name only,
All else should be pure speculation.

Faidor · 23rd July 2008, 07:38

Thanks Rick. I can live with that. And be happy.

rick · 23rd July 2008, 07:53

about your class being displayed:

"There will be a number of achievments in the game that will determine your official (or inofficial, if you choose to hide it) status."

so i guess you'll have the option to allow others to see your class if you have one.

edit: and more thing i forgot to add in my post earlier. the devs said that you can set your gui to display the names of people who have attacked you and to display the names of the members in your group.

Kaoy · 23rd July 2008, 08:44

Well, the thing about classes, if they are wearing plate metal, you can tell they probably aren't going to be tossing out fire balls. There will doubtlessly be clues, and a well educated player may be able to devine more than that by recognizing specific things they are wearing to tell what they are probably focused torwards. That's all part of player skill coming to the aid of the characters Skills.

Neek · 23rd July 2008, 14:41

Actually Kaoy, any kind of skill you can imagine is available to anyone regardless of equipment restrictions touted in other games in terms of access to the skill.

I'm not sure of how effective the skills will be relative to their equipment choices though.

catmorbid · 23rd July 2008, 14:59

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Originally Posted by Neek

Actually Kaoy, any kind of skill you can imagine is available to anyone regardless of equipment restrictions touted in other games in terms of access to the skill.

I'm not sure of how effective the skills will be relative to their equipment choices though.

The devs stated that "mages will be affected by armor". So the assumption that someone wearing full plate isn't a mage is a good assumption, albeit not necessarily completely true.

Neek · 23rd July 2008, 15:05

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Originally Posted by catmorbid

The devs stated that "mages will be affected by armor". So the assumption that someone wearing full plate isn't a mage is a good assumption, albeit not necessarily completely true.

As long as at least you have access to it and it's still a decent choice for dmg.

No doubt a plate user can't cast as well as a cloth wearer, but in certain "paths" I would like to see everyone have the option to make "weird" builds that open a few eyes based on tinkering and ideas.

catmorbid · 23rd July 2008, 15:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Neek

As long as at least you have access to it and it's still a decent choice for dmg.

No doubt a plate user can't cast as well as a cloth wearer, but in certain "paths" I would like to see everyone have the option to make "weird" builds that open a few eyes based on tinkering and ideas.

That's basically what I meant with the "not necessarily completely true"

Neek · 23rd July 2008, 15:37

+ rep for assuming the awesome.

Blade · 23rd July 2008, 16:09

My suggestion: Names only in Combat-chat
[13:37 Blade hit you for 541]
[13:37 You have been killed by Blade]

golani79 · 23rd July 2008, 23:00

Players should be able to configure if they want to see playernames, titles, etc. or not.

In some situations it might be very helpful to see names over the characters i.e. when you are searching for a person in a crowd.

Jutsin · 24th July 2008, 02:19

Although there is some utility to having floating names - I think having mouse-over names is getting closer to "realistic", and also a more interesting way to structure things.

I like that being able to choose whether you hide or display your official status is great, too

Lyllyth · 24th July 2008, 02:26

No floating names, at all, anywhere.

Mouse-over, delayed, tool-tip pop-up is fine. So, you mouse over someone, 5 seconds later, you get a pop-up on a corner of your screen telling you their name... just their name.

Jutsin · 24th July 2008, 03:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyllyth

No floating names, at all, anywhere.

Mouse-over, delayed, tool-tip pop-up is fine. So, you mouse over someone, 5 seconds later, you get a pop-up on a corner of your screen telling you their name... just their name.

I just re-read my post, and I don't think it was completely clear .. but I agree exactly with Lyl.

.. except for the "5 seconds later" part - I think it should be closer to instant :P

Metal Wolf · 24th July 2008, 04:01

Over head info is rather out of place in a skill based combat game.

Also instant is a bad idea on pop up. A finder bot could be written for that very esily and be rather hard to detect by the game.

Traceur · 24th July 2008, 06:25

i think a very simple solution would be to attach name tags not to the avatar's head, but to the 'voice'. meaning you'll see their name when they speak.. if you know their name. if not then ask & tag.

catmorbid · 24th July 2008, 14:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by Traceur

i think a very simple solution would be to attach name tags not to the avatar's head, but to the 'voice'. meaning you'll see their name when they speak.. if you know their name. if not then ask & tag.

Hmmh...

So, if a stranger would speak out loud, you'd see a bubble:

Quote:

Elf:
"Hello, what's your name, my name is Marin."

Then you could tag this person and name him Marin. Next time he speaks, you'd see:

Quote:

Marin:
"Nice to meet you Thurm. Care to go for a pint?"

Something like that?

Also, the player could allow others to see their full names including titles they wish to show them, by enabling it, and it would look something like...

Quote:

Marin the Bard, Elf of Elvenland, Scourge of the musically illiterate:
"Let's sing a song! Yay!"

Sheltar · 24th July 2008, 22:44

I would like to see character's names toogable.

Of course that would work only with high customization level of the character implemented in the game. If you happen to meet someone with his name hidden you should have other possibilities to recognize him (or not).

It would cost devs plenty of work but think about possibilities that anymousness give.

BloodofDragons · 28th July 2008, 15:21

well i also hope that no info at all can be had except the name of the PC. if we could personally customize the look of all gear crafted and looted items be randomly generated in appearence like i suggested a while back, would greatly add to the mystic of not knowing your enemy. crafting a bad ass full plate with magical properties look plane or making a normal leather armor with spikes, the other players would have a hard time knowing what they are facing. also alowing cloaks to hide atleast some of the armor and weapons insted of just being on the PCs back would help also. someone else suggested allowing players to choose where the weapons are stored would be nice. swords on the PCs back under a cloak, daggers hidden on the small of the back or inside the cloak, crossbow on the thigh, dagger in the boots, ect. you might not even know if your fighting a mage, sword, bow, axe or what ever would be cool also. players could fool other player this way. example: a mage could have a bow (ranks in bow are 1 just so he can carry it) on his back and his wand under his cloak, so a noob melee tries to pk him. the mage pulls his wand out of his cloak and blasts him with a fireball killing him on the spot.

Drakus · 29th July 2008, 00:24

I think the hovering over another player to reveal their name is the best option and somehow incorporate Traceur and Catmorbid idea.

Fudgy_Neeples · 29th July 2008, 02:37

Having floating nametags would really ruin this game. They would ruin the stealth aspect and let you know where all of your enemies are. You might as well input a radar for crying out loud.

kurrency420 · 5th August 2008, 01:36

Plain and Simple, you shouldn't see anything over their head, on them, when u click them, run your cursor over them, you shouldn't know nothing!

I admit didn't read but a little bit of this thread and there is nothing that can change my mind or the fact that nothing should be displayed. You should have to ask them, or if they are on your friends list (which is pre-approved friends, meaning you'll be on his also) then the name show up, but besides that, NOTHING should show.

I know they said they are planning on showing a name, but the flaw I see in that is their is no way to hide if someone is looking for you, just simply put your cursor over them and there they are, simple as that. I know my roomate can sit for at least an hour doing nothing but inspecting people and looking at them on lotro, so i can imagin people standing next to the blacksmith or healer of a town and just running cursors over anything in sight for a possible bounty.

10th July 2008, 04:13	#1 (permalink)
Faidor Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oklahoma City Age: 28 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 1	Should levels/classes/names be displayed? They wouldn't be on a real battlefield, but thats beside the point. If they are, fine. If not, better. I kind of like it when people don’t know everything there is to know about me just by taking a single glimpse. No more should there be, “Oh, he’s ten levels lower, I’m gonna waste him.” Or “Oh he’s wearing the robes of the purple falcon. He’s a wizard, mid 20’s in level, probably specializes in evocations.” I mean c’mon! Or when strangers call out your name: ”Hey Gorge ol’ buddy, wanna help us fight this beasty?” Its like, ‘do I know you?’ __________________ Is yours an honest lament?...Most are not, you know. Most self-imposed burdens are founded on misperceptions. We - at least we of sincere character - always judge ourselves by stricter standards than we expect others to abide by. It is a curse, I suppose, or a blessing, depending on how one views it...Take it as a blessing, my friend, an inner calling that forces you to strive to unattainable heights.

10th July 2008, 05:03	#3 (permalink)
Mogar Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Nashua, NH USA Age: 19 Posts: 61 Rep Power: 1	well Rick knocked that one out... i dont want to see hovering names anyway __________________

10th July 2008, 06:29	#4 (permalink)
OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,506 Rep Power: 4	Good job on that one rick...I would hate if there were floating names I don't think that showing classes would be a good idea either because it is kind of pointless to do so just watch them fight or inspect what weapons/armor they have and u could probably tell. __________________

10th July 2008, 15:25	#7 (permalink)
Lyllyth Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: <-- That way --> Age: 33 Posts: 432 Rep Power: 1	Name only, All else should be pure speculation. __________________

23rd July 2008, 07:53	#9 (permalink)
rick Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Olivehurst, California Age: 20 Posts: 345 Rep Power: 1	about your class being displayed: "There will be a number of achievments in the game that will determine your official (or inofficial, if you choose to hide it) status." so i guess you'll have the option to allow others to see your class if you have one. edit: and more thing i forgot to add in my post earlier. the devs said that you can set your gui to display the names of people who have attacked you and to display the names of the members in your group. Last edited by rick : 23rd July 2008 at 08:00.

10th July 2008, 04:16	#2 (permalink)
rick Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Olivehurst, California Age: 20 Posts: 345 Rep Power: 1	the devs have stated that they plan on a person's name being displayed when you point your crosshair at them. also, there are no levels in mortal.

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Ulti Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 27 Rep Power: 1	showing the class besides the name would be abit to revealing in a full PvP game, wouldn't it?

23rd July 2008, 07:38	#8 (permalink)
Faidor Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Oklahoma City Age: 28 Posts: 48 Rep Power: 1	Thanks Rick. I can live with that. And be happy.

23rd July 2008, 08:44	#10 (permalink)
Kaoy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 63 Rep Power: 1	Well, the thing about classes, if they are wearing plate metal, you can tell they probably aren't going to be tossing out fire balls. There will doubtlessly be clues, and a well educated player may be able to devine more than that by recognizing specific things they are wearing to tell what they are probably focused torwards. That's all part of player skill coming to the aid of the characters Skills.

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Neek Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ATX Age: 28 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 1	Actually Kaoy, any kind of skill you can imagine is available to anyone regardless of equipment restrictions touted in other games in terms of access to the skill. I'm not sure of how effective the skills will be relative to their equipment choices though. __________________ Ghosts of War

23rd July 2008, 15:37	#15 (permalink)
Neek Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ATX Age: 28 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 1	+ rep for assuming the awesome. __________________ Ghosts of War

23rd July 2008, 16:09	#16 (permalink)
Blade Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 35 Rep Power: 0	My suggestion: Names only in Combat-chat [13:37 Blade hit you for 541] [13:37 You have been killed by Blade] __________________ Game Balance is the key

23rd July 2008, 23:00	#17 (permalink)
golani79 Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Austria Age: 29 Posts: 124 Rep Power: 1	Players should be able to configure if they want to see playernames, titles, etc. or not. In some situations it might be very helpful to see names over the characters i.e. when you are searching for a person in a crowd.

24th July 2008, 02:19	#18 (permalink)
Jutsin Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Adelaide, Australia Age: 23 Posts: 62 Rep Power: 0	Although there is some utility to having floating names - I think having mouse-over names is getting closer to "realistic", and also a more interesting way to structure things. I like that being able to choose whether you hide or display your official status is great, too

24th July 2008, 02:26	#19 (permalink)
Lyllyth Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: <-- That way --> Age: 33 Posts: 432 Rep Power: 1	No floating names, at all, anywhere. Mouse-over, delayed, tool-tip pop-up is fine. So, you mouse over someone, 5 seconds later, you get a pop-up on a corner of your screen telling you their name... just their name. __________________

24th July 2008, 06:25	#22 (permalink)
Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,891 Rep Power: 8	i think a very simple solution would be to attach name tags not to the avatar's head, but to the 'voice'. meaning you'll see their name when they speak.. if you know their name. if not then ask & tag. __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

24th July 2008, 22:44	#24 (permalink)
Sheltar Newbie Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	I would like to see character's names toogable. Of course that would work only with high customization level of the character implemented in the game. If you happen to meet someone with his name hidden you should have other possibilities to recognize him (or not). It would cost devs plenty of work but think about possibilities that anymousness give.

28th July 2008, 15:21	#25 (permalink)
BloodofDragons Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 46 Rep Power: 1	well i also hope that no info at all can be had except the name of the PC. if we could personally customize the look of all gear crafted and looted items be randomly generated in appearence like i suggested a while back, would greatly add to the mystic of not knowing your enemy. crafting a bad ass full plate with magical properties look plane or making a normal leather armor with spikes, the other players would have a hard time knowing what they are facing. also alowing cloaks to hide atleast some of the armor and weapons insted of just being on the PCs back would help also. someone else suggested allowing players to choose where the weapons are stored would be nice. swords on the PCs back under a cloak, daggers hidden on the small of the back or inside the cloak, crossbow on the thigh, dagger in the boots, ect. you might not even know if your fighting a mage, sword, bow, axe or what ever would be cool also. players could fool other player this way. example: a mage could have a bow (ranks in bow are 1 just so he can carry it) on his back and his wand under his cloak, so a noob melee tries to pk him. the mage pulls his wand out of his cloak and blasts him with a fireball killing him on the spot.

29th July 2008, 00:24	#26 (permalink)
Drakus Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Scions Age: 30 Posts: 340 Rep Power: 2	I think the hovering over another player to reveal their name is the best option and somehow incorporate Traceur and Catmorbid idea. __________________ S.K.E.A. Breakdown: Socializer: 80% \| Killer: 60% \| Explorer: 53% \| Achiever: 7% PC: Vista Ultimate \| Intel Core2 2.4GHz \| 8800GT x 2 SLI \| 3GB RAM \| 24" LCD

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Fudgy_Neeples Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: In the meadows Posts: 23 Rep Power: 1	Having floating nametags would really ruin this game. They would ruin the stealth aspect and let you know where all of your enemies are. You might as well input a radar for crying out loud.

5th August 2008, 01:36	#28 (permalink)
kurrency420 Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: OHIO Posts: 30 Rep Power: 1	Plain and Simple, you shouldn't see anything over their head, on them, when u click them, run your cursor over them, you shouldn't know nothing! I admit didn't read but a little bit of this thread and there is nothing that can change my mind or the fact that nothing should be displayed. You should have to ask them, or if they are on your friends list (which is pre-approved friends, meaning you'll be on his also) then the name show up, but besides that, NOTHING should show. I know they said they are planning on showing a name, but the flaw I see in that is their is no way to hide if someone is looking for you, just simply put your cursor over them and there they are, simple as that. I know my roomate can sit for at least an hour doing nothing but inspecting people and looking at them on lotro, so i can imagin people standing next to the blacksmith or healer of a town and just running cursors over anything in sight for a possible bounty. __________________ Kurrency : Current LOTRO player, Mortal is going to be a wonderful game and I am going to own ALL OF YOU.