Half-Elfes

Canertocks · 19th July 2008, 15:36

It would be nice with a mixture between elfes and humans. Like a human that lives to be ages old and has the power to use nature to aid him. And use violence and leadership of the humans to get araound in the world.

Sava · 19th July 2008, 20:34

We already have half-orcs , so let it be half-dwarves half-elves, half-trolls ? I think 4 really different races would be enough ( if they will be really different)

GetAngry · 20th July 2008, 04:04

Aragorn? is that you?

Zigkirby · 20th July 2008, 04:18

I kinda wish people would stop making threads that are just like "wouldn't it be cool if..." and then don't give reasons why, they don't give any ways it could be implemented, and they don't give any lore.

Heliopios · 20th July 2008, 10:42

Half-Elves*

Sinneh · 20th July 2008, 12:53

Ok why always mix humans with something... Mix an Orc with a Dorf.
If you wanna make all Half freaks with humans I dont understand why an orc can't rape an elf or vise versa.
But Having lets say from basic races dwarf elf orc human you get like 6 combos thats like 10 races... adding one more like probbably there will be some dark elves or maybe some squid stuff...18 races overall or something if I didnt miscalculate. Awesome but too impossible to be real.

And adding differences between male and female... gets a number of 36 as much Classes Lineage 2 got out of 5 races - meaning each race has different textures and atributes for mage or fighter so basicly 10 races + female male differences (which are just graphic) gets a number of 20 which is basicly still less than 36.

But surpass lineage and make 18 races or even more... Will make each char unique. But then balance the population meaning there shall be more pure races than halves.

Don't mind my babbling it's just a theory.

Neek · 22nd July 2008, 18:09

me want minotaurs!!! >_<

Traceur · 22nd July 2008, 18:34

why not just have a bloodline system for character creation and be done with it? "i'm 25% human, 37.5% goblin, 12.5% elf, 6.25% orc and 18.75% 'other' "

Zigkirby · 22nd July 2008, 19:41

I really do prefer a system where all the races are considered different species, you know, because it makes sense. So no breeding between them save for freak accidents, and even then the offspring is always sterile.

KroqGar · 22nd July 2008, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Zigkirby

I really do prefer a system where all the races are considered different species, you know, because it makes sense. So no breeding between them save for freak accidents, and even then the offspring is always sterile.

I agree completely. The majority of my roleplaying experience comes from the Warhammer IP, where there are absolutely no Half-Breeds whatsoever. The only way one would be possible is because of Chaos Mutation, and even then they would be hunted down and killed for their terrible nature.

I'd much prefer there being a set of races in the game that each stuck to their own breeding, but seeing as that can't happen now (Note: Half-Orcs) then at least have it limited to just them, and let's try and keep them rare.

Sidenote to Sinneh: The most probable reason why there aren't Dwarf and Orc hybrids and other such silly combinations would be genetic and reproductive differences. The reason humans are picked is, for a realistic reason, because they are genetic middle ground. Most people see them as the vanilla race, therefore they are the default flavour that you add other spices too.

The roleplaying reason for Hybrids stems from peoples inability to roleplay the race of their choosing. To counter this, they take a Half-*race*, so that it allows them to combine the exotic flavouring and cultures of the alternate race, while using the familiarity of humans to give them something to fall back on if they find themselves in over their heads. Personally, I'm really fond of this reason, mostly because in my experiences I've found it to be true.

Traceur · 23rd July 2008, 00:54

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Originally Posted by KroqGar

I'd much prefer there being a set of races in the game that each stuck to their own breeding, but seeing as that can't happen now (Note: Half-Orcs) then at least have it limited to just them, and let's try and keep them rare.

well, my own personal "ideal race cut" vision for MMO's can't apply for mortal online either, though we didn't exactly see eye to eye on that, i know how you feel - i'd be ok with only one or two races that fit my racial cut's minimum-requirements.

KroqGar · 23rd July 2008, 01:11

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Originally Posted by Traceur

well, my own personal "ideal race cut" vision for MMO's can't apply for mortal online either, though we didn't exactly see eye to eye on that, i know how you feel - i'd be ok with only one or two races that fit my racial cut's minimum-requirements.

I think we ended the argument without really coming to a conclusion. I'm all for interesting game implementation amongst the races, which as I recall is what you want. I just don't want it to be at the expense of a cohesive and believable world with the right atmosphere. This means that what I would be willing to tolerate isn't as widespread as what you would like, but I think it'd be a nice compromise.

By what I want, I mean little stuff that isn't terribly imbalancing and remains in line with the background history of the race in question. I just felt that your suggestions were a little over the top in terms of elaboration.

Valentina · 27th July 2008, 00:33

I like Half Elves more than regular elves, usually.

KroqGar · 27th July 2008, 00:46

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Originally Posted by Valentina

I like Half Elves more than regular elves, usually.

Care to explain why, I'd like to see if my theory is correct.

Heliopios · 27th July 2008, 03:19

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Originally Posted by KroqGar

Care to explain why, I'd like to see if my theory is correct.

The less elf, the better.

KroqGar · 27th July 2008, 04:51

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Originally Posted by Heliopios

The less elf, the better.

Very true, but still.

Traceur · 27th July 2008, 15:36

right now we know about half-orcs, and because of them about humans and orcs. why do you think the other races won't include elves if the only 3 races we know about right now are straight D&D copy&paste? that seems to be the mold.

Heliopios · 27th July 2008, 16:45

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Originally Posted by Traceur

right now we know about half-orcs, and because of them about humans and orcs. why do you think the other races won't include elves if the only 3 races we know about right now are straight D&D copy&paste? that seems to be the mold.

Atleast orcs don't have the 'Horny Teenage boy who plays a female because of the thong' syndrome.

If there are elves they should be horrifying monstrosities, for the hell of it. And orcs should call humans 'morra'.

Traceur · 27th July 2008, 17:02

in morrowind they had cool dark elves, and the tree elves are cannibals who'll eat anything as long as it isn't a plant, and shadowbane's elves are tyrannical bastards, and horizon's elves are brainwashed militants, even WoW's high elves are vampiric, and santa clous elves are the most scary thing to have ever graced folklore....

i don't see a reason why elves have to be medevieal metrosexuals.

Dagger · 28th July 2008, 01:16

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Originally Posted by Heliopios

Atleast orcs don't have the 'Horny Teenage boy who plays a female because of the thong' syndrome.

That's the horny teenage boy's problem, isn't it? I don't see that as any valid reason to exclude elves from the game.

I think it's a cool race, and they don't necessarily have to be hot (females) or meterosexual (males) to pull it off as what they are. Especially if we're talking about different elvish races. Though, if they're in the game they are probably going to be somewhat like what most people expect from wood elves due to popular (mis)conception of elves, as well as the fact that sexuality sells.

I think I read something about what kind of races we could expect back in April/May, but I couldn't find any post about it right now. I think that most of the regular races that people know and enjoy to enact will be in the game as a playable race. In other words, I think that races that you won't really expect to be there aren't getting priority. This is all an issue of how many playable races they are aimimng to include, though.

KroqGar · 28th July 2008, 02:55

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Originally Posted by Dagger

I think it's a cool race, and they don't necessarily have to be hot (females) or meterosexual (males) to pull it off as what they are. Especially if we're talking about different elvish races. Though, if they're in the game they are probably going to be somewhat like what most people expect from wood elves due to popular (mis)conception of elves, as well as the fact that sexuality sells.

I'd love something like the Elves in the warhammer IP, personally. They're very Roman-like in their civilization and have a very militant atmosphere. They're not enarly as flowery as most IPs have them, with just a smattering of knowledge and earth respect as an obligatory trait.

Lialith · 31st July 2008, 15:29

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Originally Posted by Traceur

right now we know about half-orcs, and because of them about humans and orcs. why do you think the other races won't include elves if the only 3 races we know about right now are straight D&D copy&paste? that seems to be the mold.

just because there are playable half-orcs that doesnt mean there will be playable orcs.

well, i think the chances that there will be humans are quite high, but mostly because there are half-orcs i dont think we will get playable orcs. (i, for one like half-orks better than playable orks, but also think both of them would be overkill.

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Canertocks · 2nd August 2008, 20:37

Well if Mortal guys have made half orc there is always an option for it to come more halfs.

Vanth · 7th August 2008, 20:13

I like half-elves too.

Traceur · 8th August 2008, 08:50

you know, i think it's sort of lazy work, this half-race thing. you add a race without a culture of it's own, little to no built civilization on it's own, possessing only traits that exist in one or both of it's "parent races" and non of it's own, and most probably just combine the looks customization options of the two other races, non of it's own.

it's adding a race just to bump a +1 on the race list. is that really a reason worth while?

Shinzon · 9th August 2008, 08:14

The whole thing behind half-races are that they are outcasts, they need to fight in order to survive, and they are just begning to create their own culture. Just because you do not have a huge city or a huge army, doesn't mean that you can't have a culture starting to form.

From a gameplay stand point, ff all of the races are specialized, then half breeds will allow you to create more "Rounded" charachters.

Canertocks · 9th August 2008, 11:54

I agree with Shinzon with the "Rounded" characters...

Kaure · 9th August 2008, 13:09

Well, or elves doesn't have a sex (hope I'm using the right word lol) or, if we want to be realistic, there should be half elves...

...or half humans

19th July 2008, 15:36	#1 (permalink)
Canertocks Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 1	Half-Elfes It would be nice with a mixture between elfes and humans. Like a human that lives to be ages old and has the power to use nature to aid him. And use violence and leadership of the humans to get araound in the world. __________________ Go tell the spartans passerby...

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GetAngry Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Arizona Posts: 57 Rep Power: 1	Aragorn? is that you? __________________ My ability to think causes me to lose sleep. Forgive me for looking tired, but it's not because I think. It's because you're boring me.

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Sinneh Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 64 Rep Power: 1	Ok why always mix humans with something... Mix an Orc with a Dorf. If you wanna make all Half freaks with humans I dont understand why an orc can't rape an elf or vise versa. But Having lets say from basic races dwarf elf orc human you get like 6 combos thats like 10 races... adding one more like probbably there will be some dark elves or maybe some squid stuff...18 races overall or something if I didnt miscalculate. Awesome but too impossible to be real. And adding differences between male and female... gets a number of 36 as much Classes Lineage 2 got out of 5 races - meaning each race has different textures and atributes for mage or fighter so basicly 10 races + female male differences (which are just graphic) gets a number of 20 which is basicly still less than 36. But surpass lineage and make 18 races or even more... Will make each char unique. But then balance the population meaning there shall be more pure races than halves. Don't mind my babbling it's just a theory. Last edited by Sinneh : 20th July 2008 at 12:59.

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Neek Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: ATX Age: 28 Posts: 409 Rep Power: 1	me want minotaurs!!! >_< __________________ Ghosts of War

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Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,892 Rep Power: 8	why not just have a bloodline system for character creation and be done with it? "i'm 25% human, 37.5% goblin, 12.5% elf, 6.25% orc and 18.75% 'other' " __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

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Sava Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Moscow, RF Posts: 21 Rep Power: 1	We already have half-orcs , so let it be half-dwarves half-elves, half-trolls ? I think 4 really different races would be enough ( if they will be really different)

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Zigkirby Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 335 Rep Power: 0	I kinda wish people would stop making threads that are just like "wouldn't it be cool if..." and then don't give reasons why, they don't give any ways it could be implemented, and they don't give any lore.

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Heliopios Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Spokane, Washington, USA Posts: 353 Rep Power: 1	Half-Elves*

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Zigkirby Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Detroit, Michigan Posts: 335 Rep Power: 0	I really do prefer a system where all the races are considered different species, you know, because it makes sense. So no breeding between them save for freak accidents, and even then the offspring is always sterile.

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Valentina Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	I like Half Elves more than regular elves, usually.

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Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,892 Rep Power: 8	right now we know about half-orcs, and because of them about humans and orcs. why do you think the other races won't include elves if the only 3 races we know about right now are straight D&D copy&paste? that seems to be the mold. __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

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Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,892 Rep Power: 8	in morrowind they had cool dark elves, and the tree elves are cannibals who'll eat anything as long as it isn't a plant, and shadowbane's elves are tyrannical bastards, and horizon's elves are brainwashed militants, even WoW's high elves are vampiric, and santa clous elves are the most scary thing to have ever graced folklore.... i don't see a reason why elves have to be medevieal metrosexuals. __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

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Canertocks Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 1	Well if Mortal guys have made half orc there is always an option for it to come more halfs. __________________ Go tell the spartans passerby...

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Vanth Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 1	I like half-elves too.

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Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,892 Rep Power: 8	you know, i think it's sort of lazy work, this half-race thing. you add a race without a culture of it's own, little to no built civilization on it's own, possessing only traits that exist in one or both of it's "parent races" and non of it's own, and most probably just combine the looks customization options of the two other races, non of it's own. it's adding a race just to bump a +1 on the race list. is that really a reason worth while? __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

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Shinzon Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 19 Posts: 1,001 Rep Power: 4	The whole thing behind half-races are that they are outcasts, they need to fight in order to survive, and they are just begning to create their own culture. Just because you do not have a huge city or a huge army, doesn't mean that you can't have a culture starting to form. From a gameplay stand point, ff all of the races are specialized, then half breeds will allow you to create more "Rounded" charachters. __________________ www.aegis-imperium.com

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Canertocks Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 36 Rep Power: 1	I agree with Shinzon with the "Rounded" characters... __________________ Go tell the spartans passerby...

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Kaure Newbie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Torino, Italy Posts: 18 Rep Power: 1	Well, or elves doesn't have a sex (hope I'm using the right word lol) or, if we want to be realistic, there should be half elves... ...or half humans

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