Will monsters......(attack eachother /Mod)

Death Saved · 20th July 2008, 13:25

Will the mob's attack each other that would be real interesting to see!

silenced · 20th July 2008, 14:09

vw ? plox !

Death Saved · 20th July 2008, 20:06

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Originally Posted by silenced

vw ? plox !

Whaa??????

BloodofDragons · 22nd July 2008, 08:48

there is a hand full of games that use this. i think it is very cool to see and only adds to the feel of the game.

ViolentWhisper · 22nd July 2008, 19:30

Who knows. Moved to questions part of the forum.

Death Saved · 22nd July 2008, 22:39

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Originally Posted by ViolentWhisper

Who knows. Moved to questions part of the forum.

Such a tease.

Traceur · 23rd July 2008, 00:40

he's a mod not a dev' - he moved it to the question forums so the dev's will be more likely to answer it.

but i love the idea - i think it would be great if we had a more lifelike ecology rather then monsters waiting for us all day as their main and only meal. even if PvE is still spawn based rather then a simulated ecology, it would still be interesting to have some behaviors at list emulating a realistic ecology, such as monsters attacking each other & the thing you where just hunting running away not from you because he noticed something higher on the food chain..

Death Saved · 23rd July 2008, 07:51

Yeah i know he is not i tend to read before replying.

Also it would be good if they feed on each other,for instance lets say there are wolf's and dears in this area:

1-if you kill alot of dears the wolfs will be more hostile (there aggro range increases)cause the easy meal will be rare and sotheyll begin expanding there menu to include you(they used to fight you only if you got on there territory).

2-and if you killed too many wolfs the dears will be more carefree and somtimes they may start attacking the few remaining wolves.

2b-let's say you saved a wolf's pup from a rampaging dear that pup will start showing loyalty to you wich will grow over time if you take care of it growing to be a trustworthy companion.(it might act like an early alarm with its nose and can help you find stuff if yougive it a scent)

Kaoy · 23rd July 2008, 08:34

They have hinted to there being Predators and Prey type monsters, in the past, so this is possible.

Death Saved · 23rd July 2008, 20:46

They said so about FF XII and the only one i have seen is tiny Rex pwns Wolf.

as i said i want there attacks to be fueled by at least hunger they can put a timer for the monster's hunger (say 4 hours after it's last meal) so it's pretty simple,i think?

KroqGar · 24th July 2008, 02:26

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Originally Posted by Death Saved

Whaa??????

He was asking for ViolentWhisper to attend the thread, I believe. VW means ViolentWhisper, and Plox is channer dialect for please. I found it quite funny, actually.

Anyways, on to the idea, which I think is actually really interesting. It adds a whole new element to the game. Imagine going to find some sort of animal in the wilderness, let's say a deer, and getting ready to attack it. Suddenly, a wolf jumps out and starts attackingthe deer. So, now you have to take down your target and also take down the wolf. Makes questing that much more interesting. However, I'd like to have them keep it rather realistic. For example, having designated prey for certain animals, so a wolf wouldn't go after a large target unless it was in a pack. Which is a nice segue to my next point about predatory tactics.

Like I said, the predators and prey should behave rather realistically, even when not fighting eachother. So, wolves would usually be encountered in packs, deer would be very skittish, just general things like that. It would add a whole new layer of life to the game world, and great for immersion, which is my main goal in the game. It would be especially nice if they had a wandering element, instead of just patrolling a 10 foot line. So, they'd wander within their territory, and any rival animal of the same type found in their territory would be attacked. The last part isn't really necessary, but I figured I might as well throw it out there.

TL;DR - Organic/realistic AI on the animals, please.

Probotektor · 24th July 2008, 13:51

The only game I remember where different types of monsters actually attacked each other is Doom 1.

And I loved it. You had always the choice of taking out the whole room or trying to get the monsters to kill each other leaving you with merely taking out the survivors.

It would also make it possible to seek shelter from vile monsters attacking you in the camp of other monsters opposing them. In the resulting fight one could take his chance and make a escape.

I just love the idea.

OMGPIE · 25th July 2008, 01:21

That would be awesome and would be great for when you want to jump the loser if your lazy.

Rathius · 1st August 2008, 00:12

I think they made mention of something like this in one of the big questions answered threads. If I remember right they said that right now it isn't on the plan, if they wanted to do it they would have to do it manually.

Although I do agree that a dynamic wilderness certain helps. Especially if the animals migrate. It would make hunting that much more worth it. Even more so if you were one of those people that tracked their migration habits. You could be a guide or something like that.

rick · 1st August 2008, 00:24

"To be honest, for now the environment is based on randomness and ecological variables, but unfortunately static in itself. This means that if you for example were to kill off every predator in the woods, the number of herbivores won't go up. We'll have to manually adjust things like that over time. We'll see what happens as the development progresses."

predators and herbivores? certainly hints at monsters hunting eachother.
what i really want to see is monsters wandering into cities and towns on occasion.

Rathius · 1st August 2008, 00:27

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Originally Posted by rick

what i really want to see is monsters wandering into cities and towns on occasion.

That would be great. It would certainly be an incentive for protection. Since you wouldnt be safe from players, why would you be safe from monsters?

Saviour · 5th August 2008, 12:35

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Originally Posted by rick

what i really want to see is monsters wandering into cities and towns on occasion.

Werewolves at night huhuh
but yea the idea of monsters attacking is each other is pretty realistic, for example theres a wolf and 1m away from him is a rabbit, and the question is is he going to attack you(2m tall barbarian with a HUGE axe) or is he going to kill the little helpless bunny and eat him

Unomat · 6th August 2008, 11:23

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Originally Posted by Saviour

Werewolves at night huhuh
but yea the idea of monsters attacking is each other is pretty realistic, for example theres a wolf and 1m away from him is a rabbit, and the question is is he going to attack you(2m tall barbarian with a HUGE axe) or is he going to kill the little helpless bunny and eat him

Unless the bunny escaped from Monty Python in search of the Holy Grail ^^

HunterKiller · 8th August 2008, 15:37

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Originally Posted by Unomat

Unless the bunny escaped from Monty Python in search of the Holy Grail ^^

Makes you think twice about following a rabbit

Denny Lindberg · 8th August 2008, 15:39

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Originally Posted by Unomat

Unless the bunny escaped from Monty Python in search of the Holy Grail ^^

It already did, in Shadow Warrior (that old game).

Zenir · 13th August 2008, 04:40

If you talk about games I even nevered heard about i feel really young, thanks.

Gothic 3 had this feature, the problem was it sometimes ended with dead cities because of some boars, which leads to the question:

Will there be NPCs attacking Citys / villages?

(Damn, that was a really great transition i shoud more often write at 5 am)

Sorjak · 13th August 2008, 05:29

Maybe through some sort of Events that the devs put in for our amusement. Although, if there is intelligent AI going on through some of the more powerful monster's heads, I don't see why their instincts of hunting wouldn't allow them to attack nearly defenseless villages that pop up near them.

ghostz92 · 13th August 2008, 05:34

i know darkfall is puting this feature in the game along with monster relocation and forming socety and attacking towns

Probotektor · 20th August 2008, 15:11

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Originally Posted by Denny Lindberg

It already did, in Shadow Warrior (that old game).

This is no ordinary rabbit.

http://www.3drealms.com/sw/ Wow, after all these years they still have their site up and running. oO

Arxon Havenloft · 27th August 2008, 20:18

Yes, enemy creatures should definitely battle eachother.. Fighting over territory, extinction, etc.. I'd love to see it as well.

Hereshk · 28th August 2008, 21:04

yeah one of the only thing I enjoyed from Tabula rasa... constant npc action fighting over places. U were talking to an npc, and he was interrupting u to go defend the place. And u could participate and help them, and sometimes (in that case it was aliens) they would win the base, so the npcs were fleeing, hehe... but they would get back if u and / or they could manage to take back the place... did not play very long that game, so maybe it was repetitive or something the way it was made, but the the few hours I played, the first feeling were good

(about this specific thing only)

Tomas · 30th August 2008, 01:03

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Originally Posted by Death Saved

Will the mob's attack each other that would be real interesting to see!

In Runescape theres such dungeons called "Gods Dungeon" or something similar. It has 4 gods and the followers of each god fight each other.
If you go into the dungeon you have to be wearing items which qualify you as a follower, for example Zamorak Plateskirt for Zamarok God.
But my point is that having monsters attack each other is a great thing to see in MMORPG's.

Cye · 1st September 2008, 18:59

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Traceur Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 2,892 Rep Power: 8	he's a mod not a dev' - he moved it to the question forums so the dev's will be more likely to answer it. but i love the idea - i think it would be great if we had a more lifelike ecology rather then monsters waiting for us all day as their main and only meal. even if PvE is still spawn based rather then a simulated ecology, it would still be interesting to have some behaviors at list emulating a realistic ecology, such as monsters attacking each other & the thing you where just hunting running away not from you because he noticed something higher on the food chain.. __________________ stop looking at my post count!it's not a habit, it's cool, i feel alive.... welcome to the TBC!

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Death Saved Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Age: 21 Posts: 178 Rep Power: 1	Yeah i know he is not i tend to read before replying. Also it would be good if they feed on each other,for instance lets say there are wolf's and dears in this area: 1-if you kill alot of dears the wolfs will be more hostile (there aggro range increases)cause the easy meal will be rare and sotheyll begin expanding there menu to include you(they used to fight you only if you got on there territory). 2-and if you killed too many wolfs the dears will be more carefree and somtimes they may start attacking the few remaining wolves. 2b-let's say you saved a wolf's pup from a rampaging dear that pup will start showing loyalty to you wich will grow over time if you take care of it growing to be a trustworthy companion.(it might act like an early alarm with its nose and can help you find stuff if yougive it a scent) __________________ Ignorance is bless to the wise anyways cause i cant believe what the fanboys fork out for shit well except the fangirls cause they actually like the crap they buy. Your input is required: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/2...d-housing.html Useful ruins: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/2...html#post51989

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Death Saved Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Riyadh, Saudi Arabia Age: 21 Posts: 178 Rep Power: 1	They said so about FF XII and the only one i have seen is tiny Rex pwns Wolf. as i said i want there attacks to be fueled by at least hunger they can put a timer for the monster's hunger (say 4 hours after it's last meal) so it's pretty simple,i think? __________________ Ignorance is bless to the wise anyways cause i cant believe what the fanboys fork out for shit well except the fangirls cause they actually like the crap they buy. Your input is required: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/2...d-housing.html Useful ruins: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/2...html#post51989

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silenced Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 162 Rep Power: 1	vw ? plox !

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BloodofDragons Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 46 Rep Power: 1	there is a hand full of games that use this. i think it is very cool to see and only adds to the feel of the game.

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Kaoy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 63 Rep Power: 1	They have hinted to there being Predators and Prey type monsters, in the past, so this is possible.

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Probotektor Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Bavaria Posts: 118 Rep Power: 1	The only game I remember where different types of monsters actually attacked each other is Doom 1. And I loved it. You had always the choice of taking out the whole room or trying to get the monsters to kill each other leaving you with merely taking out the survivors. It would also make it possible to seek shelter from vile monsters attacking you in the camp of other monsters opposing them. In the resulting fight one could take his chance and make a escape. I just love the idea.

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OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,506 Rep Power: 4	That would be awesome and would be great for when you want to jump the loser if your lazy. __________________

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Rathius Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kansas Age: 24 Posts: 446 Rep Power: 1	I think they made mention of something like this in one of the big questions answered threads. If I remember right they said that right now it isn't on the plan, if they wanted to do it they would have to do it manually. Although I do agree that a dynamic wilderness certain helps. Especially if the animals migrate. It would make hunting that much more worth it. Even more so if you were one of those people that tracked their migration habits. You could be a guide or something like that.

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rick Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Olivehurst, California Age: 20 Posts: 345 Rep Power: 1	"To be honest, for now the environment is based on randomness and ecological variables, but unfortunately static in itself. This means that if you for example were to kill off every predator in the woods, the number of herbivores won't go up. We'll have to manually adjust things like that over time. We'll see what happens as the development progresses." predators and herbivores? certainly hints at monsters hunting eachother. what i really want to see is monsters wandering into cities and towns on occasion.

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Zenir Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 226 Rep Power: 1	If you talk about games I even nevered heard about i feel really young, thanks. Gothic 3 had this feature, the problem was it sometimes ended with dead cities because of some boars, which leads to the question: Will there be NPCs attacking Citys / villages? (Damn, that was a really great transition i shoud more often write at 5 am) __________________ <@Necromantic> since fat delivers the fat Wherever you go, go.

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Sorjak Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 21 Posts: 424 Rep Power: 1	Maybe through some sort of Events that the devs put in for our amusement. Although, if there is intelligent AI going on through some of the more powerful monster's heads, I don't see why their instincts of hunting wouldn't allow them to attack nearly defenseless villages that pop up near them. __________________ Achiever 33.33%, Explorer 73.33%, Killer 26.67%, Socializer 66.67%

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ghostz92 Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 1	i know darkfall is puting this feature in the game along with monster relocation and forming socety and attacking towns

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Hereshk Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Quebec Age: 23 Posts: 53 Rep Power: 0	yeah one of the only thing I enjoyed from Tabula rasa... constant npc action fighting over places. U were talking to an npc, and he was interrupting u to go defend the place. And u could participate and help them, and sometimes (in that case it was aliens) they would win the base, so the npcs were fleeing, hehe... but they would get back if u and / or they could manage to take back the place... did not play very long that game, so maybe it was repetitive or something the way it was made, but the the few hours I played, the first feeling were good (about this specific thing only)