High ping rates....

nerosevengen · 14th August 2008, 07:31

With the game being skill-based (no levels) and combat being in first person, some folks automatically think the playing field will be even. However I am curious how the devs will handle high ping rates. In a 'twitch-based' game, the person with higher ping may well be at a disadvantage.

'ping' the time that it takes for 1 packet of data to travel from your PC to the server you are contacting. The higher the ping the more lag you are going to see in the game.

The greatest 'lag' is traditionally seen during heavy traffic times.. ex 3pm - 10pm, but other causes of high ping is the 'quality' of service you have... ex dialup/cable/dsl.

high ping induced lag has been the bane of many MMOs, and I'm curious how Mortals Online will deal with it.

Shinzon · 15th August 2008, 02:46

TF2 Tried dealing with that by giving players with the higher ping a higher chance of getting a "Critical Hit".

Lachrymose · 15th August 2008, 03:26

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Originally Posted by Shinzon

TF2 Tried dealing with that by giving players with the higher ping a higher chance of getting a "Critical Hit".

not a bad idea, but i'm not so sure there will be "critical hits" in MO, and according to the recent poll, it looks like most people aren't too keen on random crits.

perhaps a swing/cast time inversely proportional to your ping? but i just hate to think of how this might be exploited.

Kaoy · 15th August 2008, 04:39

I honestly think the best option would just be regional servers. If one player has a higher ping from thier connection rate, that is sad for them, but I really don't think there would be any way for that to really be evened out in an MMO in such a way that could not be exploited one way or another.

Lachrymose · 15th August 2008, 06:28

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Originally Posted by Kaoy

I honestly think the best option would just be regional servers. If one player has a higher ping from thier connection rate, that is sad for them, but I really don't think there would be any way for that to really be evened out in an MMO in such a way that could not be exploited one way or another.

yea, i probably have to agree here. if you're getting bad pings, most likely you're just gonna have to tough it out. it'd be better to just have some players with slightly worse pings than leave room for exploits.

1reaver1 · 15th August 2008, 11:59

yeah, i totally agree. Don't penialize me because so guy is trying to play on a phone line with minimum settings. If my comcast line is acting up, that is sad for me as well. It shouldn't effect you though. If that was the case, what do we do when someone with a low connection attacks us so ours bottoms out, then a third party enters the scene and starts wiping all of us?

Zwackelzahn · 15th August 2008, 13:15

Yeah, it sucks to have a bad ping but its something that can only be addressed by having local servers! Iam sure we will have US and European ones, so the majority should be fine!
Hopefully also Asian servers as I am moving to Singapore and really need a good ping!!!

Please put up a server in Singapore ;D

Rathius · 17th August 2008, 19:03

The way PlanetSide deals with ping is on a hit box basis instead of actually hitting a body part. It makes the game skill based, but not so much as being able to get headshots and the like. If the player is standing still, they have the standard sized hit box. Crouching makes it smaller, while running makes it larger. Granted, there is no blocking in PlanetSide, so I'm not sure how they would compensate for that.

Sebastian Persson · 18th August 2008, 13:15

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Originally Posted by Rathius

The way PlanetSide deals with ping is on a hit box basis instead of actually hitting a body part. It makes the game skill based, but not so much as being able to get headshots and the like. If the player is standing still, they have the standard sized hit box. Crouching makes it smaller, while running makes it larger. Granted, there is no blocking in PlanetSide, so I'm not sure how they would compensate for that.

UT2k4 had a similar system but added the "head"-hitbox for headshot-weapons. It's really smart because they don't have to check if a bullet hits the head if you aren't holding a HS-weapon.

14th August 2008, 07:31	#1 (permalink)
nerosevengen Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	High ping rates.... With the game being skill-based (no levels) and combat being in first person, some folks automatically think the playing field will be even. However I am curious how the devs will handle high ping rates. In a 'twitch-based' game, the person with higher ping may well be at a disadvantage. 'ping' the time that it takes for 1 packet of data to travel from your PC to the server you are contacting. The higher the ping the more lag you are going to see in the game. The greatest 'lag' is traditionally seen during heavy traffic times.. ex 3pm - 10pm, but other causes of high ping is the 'quality' of service you have... ex dialup/cable/dsl. high ping induced lag has been the bane of many MMOs, and I'm curious how Mortals Online will deal with it. __________________ ...All that matters, is that two stood against many.

15th August 2008, 02:46	#2 (permalink)
Shinzon Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 19 Posts: 940 Rep Power: 3	TF2 Tried dealing with that by giving players with the higher ping a higher chance of getting a "Critical Hit". __________________ www.aegis-imperium.com

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Kaoy Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 62 Rep Power: 1	I honestly think the best option would just be regional servers. If one player has a higher ping from thier connection rate, that is sad for them, but I really don't think there would be any way for that to really be evened out in an MMO in such a way that could not be exploited one way or another. __________________ Achiever 46.67%, Explorer 93.33%, Killer 53.33%, Socializer 73.33% ESKA players often see the game world as a great stage, full of things to see and people to meet. They love teaming up with people to get to the hard-to-see places, and they relish unique experiences.

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Zwackelzahn Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 54 Rep Power: 1	Yeah, it sucks to have a bad ping but its something that can only be addressed by having local servers! Iam sure we will have US and European ones, so the majority should be fine! Hopefully also Asian servers as I am moving to Singapore and really need a good ping!!! Please put up a server in Singapore ;D __________________ KASE Breakdown: Achiever 66.67%, Explorer 13.33%, Killer 93.33%, Socializer 26.67%

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Rathius Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kansas Age: 24 Posts: 445 Rep Power: 1	The way PlanetSide deals with ping is on a hit box basis instead of actually hitting a body part. It makes the game skill based, but not so much as being able to get headshots and the like. If the player is standing still, they have the standard sized hit box. Crouching makes it smaller, while running makes it larger. Granted, there is no blocking in PlanetSide, so I'm not sure how they would compensate for that. __________________ (Explorer 80, Killer 53, Achiever 33, Socializer 33)

15th August 2008, 11:59	#6 (permalink)
1reaver1 Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 38 Posts: 116 Rep Power: 0	yeah, i totally agree. Don't penialize me because so guy is trying to play on a phone line with minimum settings. If my comcast line is acting up, that is sad for me as well. It shouldn't effect you though. If that was the case, what do we do when someone with a low connection attacks us so ours bottoms out, then a third party enters the scene and starts wiping all of us?