PvP Levels/Ranks

Hypnos · 19th August 2008, 14:58

One thing I like in DAOC is PvP level, when your skill tree is finished you can always make your character progress without stuff grinding (i hope for full lootable in PvP anhilating PvE stuff bashing).

PvP level give access to some PvP skill, and Stats improvement fro example.

I look for the forum and site and I don't see If PvP levels will be in Mortal Online.

What do you think Of PvP level.

niblick · 19th August 2008, 15:08

I don't like pvp leveling. It just seems like a lousy way of adding levels and gaining an advantage over other players.
Regular tournament pvp would be pretty good where the champion gets some fancy pvp gear but world pvp should only gain you some looted gear and increase your actual skills at playing the game, no artificial buffs.

lokius · 19th August 2008, 15:11

No levels plox!

Not much to add ihmo. There won't wont be levels in MO, and having separate levels is even dumber if you ask me. Where's the logic here? If it doesn't kill me it makes me stronger be it pvp or pve. (sometimes even if it kills me in MMOs)

Lachrymose · 19th August 2008, 15:31

i'm w/ lokius and niblick on this one. no pvp lvlz pl0x!!

they just wouldn't be necessary. there's no levels in MO for a reason, so there shouldn't be pvp levels for the same reasons.

SkirmCard · 19th August 2008, 18:04

One more post here for no PvP levels.

I would much prefer to have some sort of visible trophy system to show how uber you are. (like a necklace made of fingers or noses hanging down on a string from your shield, or a cape made from scalps).

God I'm a morbid bastard.

Eknav · 19th August 2008, 18:37

Okay, I can see your "drift". Not in Mortal Online, but the concept is a good one...but not for Mortal Online.

I would, however...if DONE CORRECTLY...would be for "PvP skills" - which thusly can be "leveled up" just like any other "skill". The quotations all represent things that have somewhat arbitrary meanings and also are theoritical...they sound good in my head but I've hardly thought it out fully.

Maybe just certain abilities, skills and feats of strength that can be progressed only via PvP...giving advantages in the PvP realm...

Other than "that" idea (--^), I really am against "levels" of any "kind".

(Okay, "kind" didn't need to have quotation marks, but it was getting real fun to read it like that.

!)

Yep.

Lyllyth · 19th August 2008, 21:05

I imagine in a sand-box MMO, your PvP rank would be your infamy among the other Players, not some score or title.

PvP Ranks/Points = useless.

Rathius · 20th August 2008, 06:19

No pvp levels. As stated by other 'no' responses.

Hypnos · 20th August 2008, 11:31

Quote:

Originally Posted by lokius

No levels plox!

Not much to add ihmo. There won't wont be levels in MO, and having separate levels is even dumber if you ask me. Where's the logic here? If it doesn't kill me it makes me stronger be it pvp or pve. (sometimes even if it kills me in MMOs)

Ok I see you think level like other mmo.
Okno level but, there are skill based in MO, why not PvP skill based, like you can up you skill on PvE, why you don't up other skill on PvP?

MO is a PvP game it must have PvP skills evolutions.
With some Title/Rank and Skill like bonus for Captain who can lead group 4% damage on assist him or something like that.

Everybody know today for attrack and keep player on aMMORPG they need End Game content and Higth End Game chartacter évolution.
-In PvE based MMO like WoW or EQ is Stuff based evolution and level based evolution.
-On PvP based game must me different, PvP players don't like stuff based evolution (on fully lootable PvP server is logical), well i think PvP bonus will be necessary if devs forget it, just some coreplayer keep ingame after somes month.
And for me isn't fun when a game miss player, and for devs to, no players no money, no money no patch evolution, and and lack of player = no epic battle.

admiralnlson · 20th August 2008, 12:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hypnos

With some Title/Rank and Skill like bonus for Captain who can lead group 4% damage on assist him or something like that.

That would be a class, not PvP ranking.

I hope Leadership is a branch of the skill tree or something, like in Eve except better =)

lokius · 20th August 2008, 13:17

@Hypnos, I got a feeling you didn't try to read my whole post (wich wasn't too long).

I said that it doesn't matter if its pvp or pve. If I'm using a sword, I expect my sword skill to rise no matter if I'm fighting a player or a mob. So basicly for me its out of disscusion that pvp should make you stronger, I guess most of us are tired of mindless grinding. Still im agaist separate skills that could rise only in pvp.

Torgrim · 20th August 2008, 19:14

No levels whatsoever in any form in MO please.

Hypnos · 20th August 2008, 20:33

Quote:

Originally Posted by lokius

@Hypnos, I got a feeling you didn't try to read my whole post (wich wasn't too long).

Don't be hurt by my answer/response.
My English skill isn't really good, I need to practice (level up

), and some language subtlety can escape to my understanding sorry.

Lyllyth · 20th August 2008, 21:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Torgrim

No levels whatsoever in any form in MO please.

So, no Skill Levels? So, you want everyone to be the same?

Abydos · 20th August 2008, 22:52

For Mortal Online, i just dont wanna see any kind of lvl !

Based skill system would be nice ! Juste like UO ( whit more skill), but whit 2008 technologie !

Kreeper · 21st August 2008, 03:00

Having PvP levels just turns into a huge "Grind fest" just like WoW's entire honor system.

Shinzon · 21st August 2008, 06:32

The levels would emerge by word of mouth; if you want to be the best, just kill enough people here and there... I am sure people will start taking notice if the blood on your armor never dries up...

Saviour · 21st August 2008, 08:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by SkirmCard

One more post here for no PvP levels.

I would much prefer to have some sort of visible trophy system to show how uber you are. (like a necklace made of fingers or noses hanging down on a string from your shield, or a cape made from scalps).

God I'm a morbid bastard.

Aye you are, and so am I.

Oh and I really don't see the necesity? of pvp levels or any levels for that matter I came here because I didn't want to see those ugly exp bars anymore D;

Abraxsus · 21st August 2008, 20:57

PvP Levels is a must have for Mortal Online.
A game without highend PvP System is a death game with
PvE Raids only and open pvp for nothing...
look at Age of Conan! Death game ...

Shinzon · 21st August 2008, 21:06

What if the entire game world is the PvP level? See someone you don't like? Stick an axe inbetween their eyes...

Some one loot you? Kill them...

Want to know if you are the best? Organize a tournament in a tavern...

also, The ranks would emerge by word of mouth; if you want to be the best, just kill enough people here and there... I am sure people will start taking notice if the blood on your armor never dries up...

So it is all up to you, how you want to play the game, nothing to guide you but your own will...

Miller · 21st August 2008, 21:17

I don´t like the idea. I´m prefer only de skill system.

Drakus · 22nd August 2008, 00:25

I also voted no for all the same reason the no voters mentioned above. Mortal Online is a grindless sandbox MMO which is totally based on skill. It's this philosophy that separates it from 99% of all the other current MMO's on the market today.

I'm not saying anyone in this thread is at fault, but a lot of today's new gamers (I am one but I don't think this way) are so use to level/grind based MMO's they freak out when something like Mortal Online comes along. I guess they come to the quick conclusion that if there are no levels then what's the point in playing, because they have nothing to base their time spent playing against or to visually see for themselves what level distinguishes them from other players.

I've started to see more posts emerge on the forums asking for WoW like features. I personally feel it's our responsibility as a community not to flame, but to help educate these new gamers who are locked into the WoW mentality about the benefits of an open ended, grindless, sandbox MMO. And why stop with just these forums? If we see other posts on the various MMO communities we're a part of around the internet, lets lead by example and show them the sand is always yellower on the other side.

Doomshepard · 22nd August 2008, 03:05

please no levels for PvP, if there is to be something like that, I suppose I wouldnt mind something like levels in a Gladiator type arena where there is a ranking system of who is a strong gladiator etc.....oh and no instance arena crap, please if there is arenas make it one hwere there can be fans, or we can just go hang out and watch the gladitors fight, maybe make bets, kind like going to the horse races but instead we watch the gladiators chop off each others head

Veith · 26th August 2008, 08:05

Devs are writing no levels, and so there should be no levels, PvE, PvP, or anything for levelisation.

Isil · 26th August 2008, 10:16

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abraxsus

PvP Levels is a must have for Mortal Online.
A game without highend PvP System is a death game with
PvE Raids only and open pvp for nothing...
look at Age of Conan! Death game ...

You can give players another incentives to pvp , pvp lvls just mean more grinding , with time and pvp lvls system pvp just become like pve...repetitive and boring , grind grind grind.

woodoo · 26th August 2008, 14:04

PvP levels are pointless.

Torgrim · 26th August 2008, 15:44

Quote:

Originally Posted by Abraxsus

PvP Levels is a must have for Mortal Online.
A game without highend PvP System is a death game with
PvE Raids only and open pvp for nothing...
look at Age of Conan! Death game ...

Why do you think that MO will be dead if it dont have a pvp levels system?

Is it that you need a lvl system so you can tell your friends that you are a lvl 200 über death skillzor harcore pvper?

Lukeyg22 · 26th August 2008, 20:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lyllyth

So, no Skill Levels? So, you want everyone to be the same?

Everyone wont be the same based off the template and there SKill at playing the game is Self....

View Poll Results: What do you think of PvP Level/Ranks
I want it a PvP game like Mortal must have PvP levels!	6	11.32%
Why not? I don't like grinding stuff, PvP level can be good idea.	4	7.55%
No I dislike PvP levels!	43	81.13%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

19th August 2008, 14:58	#1 (permalink)
Hypnos Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: France Age: 28 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 1	PvP Levels/Ranks One thing I like in DAOC is PvP level, when your skill tree is finished you can always make your character progress without stuff grinding (i hope for full lootable in PvP anhilating PvE stuff bashing). PvP level give access to some PvP skill, and Stats improvement fro example. I look for the forum and site and I don't see If PvP levels will be in Mortal Online. What do you think Of PvP level. Last edited by Hypnos : 19th August 2008 at 15:02.

19th August 2008, 15:11	#3 (permalink)
lokius Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 1	No levels plox! Not much to add ihmo. There won't wont be levels in MO, and having separate levels is even dumber if you ask me. Where's the logic here? If it doesn't kill me it makes me stronger be it pvp or pve. (sometimes even if it kills me in MMOs) __________________

19th August 2008, 15:31	#4 (permalink)
Lachrymose Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: SC, United States Clan: Aegis Imperium Playstyle: PK/PvP Age: 22 Posts: 1,762 Rep Power: 5	i'm w/ lokius and niblick on this one. no pvp lvlz pl0x!! they just wouldn't be necessary. there's no levels in MO for a reason, so there shouldn't be pvp levels for the same reasons. __________________ /thread ________________________________________________ Killer 100.00%, Achiever 46.67%, Explorer 46.67%, Socializer 6.67%

19th August 2008, 18:04	#5 (permalink)
SkirmCard Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Reno, Nevada Age: 25 Posts: 238 Rep Power: 1	One more post here for no PvP levels. I would much prefer to have some sort of visible trophy system to show how uber you are. (like a necklace made of fingers or noses hanging down on a string from your shield, or a cape made from scalps). God I'm a morbid bastard. __________________

19th August 2008, 15:08	#2 (permalink)
niblick Newbie Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 1	I don't like pvp leveling. It just seems like a lousy way of adding levels and gaining an advantage over other players. Regular tournament pvp would be pretty good where the champion gets some fancy pvp gear but world pvp should only gain you some looted gear and increase your actual skills at playing the game, no artificial buffs.

19th August 2008, 18:37	#6 (permalink)
Eknav Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 38 Rep Power: 1	Okay, I can see your "drift". Not in Mortal Online, but the concept is a good one...but not for Mortal Online. I would, however...if DONE CORRECTLY...would be for "PvP skills" - which thusly can be "leveled up" just like any other "skill". The quotations all represent things that have somewhat arbitrary meanings and also are theoritical...they sound good in my head but I've hardly thought it out fully. Maybe just certain abilities, skills and feats of strength that can be progressed only via PvP...giving advantages in the PvP realm... Other than "that" idea (--^), I really am against "levels" of any "kind". (Okay, "kind" didn't need to have quotation marks, but it was getting real fun to read it like that. !) Yep. __________________ "We are twice armed if we fight with faith." -Plato

19th August 2008, 21:05	#7 (permalink)
Lyllyth Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: <-- That way --> Age: 33 Posts: 431 Rep Power: 1	I imagine in a sand-box MMO, your PvP rank would be your infamy among the other Players, not some score or title. PvP Ranks/Points = useless. __________________ [Mats Persson], 'Things might sound cool and/or realistic on paper, but it's a completely different thing how they play out in the game.'

20th August 2008, 06:19	#8 (permalink)
Rathius Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kansas Age: 24 Posts: 445 Rep Power: 1	No pvp levels. As stated by other 'no' responses. __________________ (Explorer 80, Killer 53, Achiever 33, Socializer 33)

20th August 2008, 13:17	#11 (permalink)
lokius Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 1	@Hypnos, I got a feeling you didn't try to read my whole post (wich wasn't too long). I said that it doesn't matter if its pvp or pve. If I'm using a sword, I expect my sword skill to rise no matter if I'm fighting a player or a mob. So basicly for me its out of disscusion that pvp should make you stronger, I guess most of us are tired of mindless grinding. Still im agaist separate skills that could rise only in pvp. __________________

20th August 2008, 19:14	#12 (permalink)
Torgrim Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Sweden Posts: 380 Rep Power: 1	No levels whatsoever in any form in MO please.

20th August 2008, 22:52	#15 (permalink)
Abydos Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 96 Rep Power: 1	For Mortal Online, i just dont wanna see any kind of lvl ! Based skill system would be nice ! Juste like UO ( whit more skill), but whit 2008 technologie ! __________________ Abydos

21st August 2008, 03:00	#16 (permalink)
Kreeper Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 60 Rep Power: 0	Having PvP levels just turns into a huge "Grind fest" just like WoW's entire honor system.

21st August 2008, 06:32	#17 (permalink)
Shinzon Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 19 Posts: 940 Rep Power: 3	The levels would emerge by word of mouth; if you want to be the best, just kill enough people here and there... I am sure people will start taking notice if the blood on your armor never dries up... __________________ www.aegis-imperium.com

21st August 2008, 20:57	#19 (permalink)
Abraxsus Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 11 Rep Power: 1	PvP Levels is a must have for Mortal Online. A game without highend PvP System is a death game with PvE Raids only and open pvp for nothing... look at Age of Conan! Death game ...

21st August 2008, 21:06	#20 (permalink)
Shinzon Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Age: 19 Posts: 940 Rep Power: 3	What if the entire game world is the PvP level? See someone you don't like? Stick an axe inbetween their eyes... Some one loot you? Kill them... Want to know if you are the best? Organize a tournament in a tavern... also, The ranks would emerge by word of mouth; if you want to be the best, just kill enough people here and there... I am sure people will start taking notice if the blood on your armor never dries up... So it is all up to you, how you want to play the game, nothing to guide you but your own will... __________________ www.aegis-imperium.com

21st August 2008, 21:17	#21 (permalink)
Miller Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	I don´t like the idea. I´m prefer only de skill system. __________________ Vivir juntos, morir solos.

22nd August 2008, 00:25	#22 (permalink)
Drakus Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Sydney, Australia Guild: Scions Age: 30 Posts: 308 Rep Power: 2	I also voted no for all the same reason the no voters mentioned above. Mortal Online is a grindless sandbox MMO which is totally based on skill. It's this philosophy that separates it from 99% of all the other current MMO's on the market today. I'm not saying anyone in this thread is at fault, but a lot of today's new gamers (I am one but I don't think this way) are so use to level/grind based MMO's they freak out when something like Mortal Online comes along. I guess they come to the quick conclusion that if there are no levels then what's the point in playing, because they have nothing to base their time spent playing against or to visually see for themselves what level distinguishes them from other players. I've started to see more posts emerge on the forums asking for WoW like features. I personally feel it's our responsibility as a community not to flame, but to help educate these new gamers who are locked into the WoW mentality about the benefits of an open ended, grindless, sandbox MMO. And why stop with just these forums? If we see other posts on the various MMO communities we're a part of around the internet, lets lead by example and show them the sand is always yellower on the other side. __________________ S.K.E.A. Breakdown: Socializer: 80% \| Killer: 60% \| Explorer: 53% \| Achiever: 7% PC: XP Pro \| Intel Core2 2.4GHz \| 8800GT x 2 SLI \| 4GB RAM \| 24" LCD

22nd August 2008, 03:05	#23 (permalink)
Doomshepard Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 20 Rep Power: 1	please no levels for PvP, if there is to be something like that, I suppose I wouldnt mind something like levels in a Gladiator type arena where there is a ranking system of who is a strong gladiator etc.....oh and no instance arena crap, please if there is arenas make it one hwere there can be fans, or we can just go hang out and watch the gladitors fight, maybe make bets, kind like going to the horse races but instead we watch the gladiators chop off each others head

26th August 2008, 08:05	#24 (permalink)
Veith Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Between Rhine and Black Forest Posts: 451 Rep Power: 1	Devs are writing no levels, and so there should be no levels, PvE, PvP, or anything for levelisation. __________________ the happy jester tells anytime his truth

26th August 2008, 14:04	#26 (permalink)
woodoo Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 56 Rep Power: 0	PvP levels are pointless.

26th August 2008, 20:41	#29 (permalink)
Lukeyg22 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Wisconsin Age: 25 Posts: 24 Rep Power: 1