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Lyllyth · 20th August 2008, 10:51

What do you guys think of this card? =)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814127376

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Brand                    MSI
Model                    R4870X2-T2D2G-OC
Interface                PCI Express 2.0 x16
Chipset Manufacturer     ATI
GPU                      Radeon HD 4870 X2
Core clock               780MHz
Stream Processors        1600 (800 x 2) Stream Processing Units
Memory Clock             1800MHz
Memory Size              2GB
Memory Interface         512-bit (256-bit x 2)
Memory Type              GDDR5
DirectX                  DirectX 10.1
OpenGL                   OpenGL 2.0
HDMI                     1 via Adapter
DVI                      2
TV-Out                   HDTV / S-Video Out
RAMDAC                   400 MHz
Max Resolution           2560 x 1600
CrossFire Supported      Yes
Cooler                   With Fan
Power Connector          6 pin / 8 pin
Dual-Link DVI Supported  Yes
HDCP Ready               Yes
Package Contents         R4870X2-T2D2G-OC
                         Driver Disk
                         User's Manual
                         HDTV Cable
                         DVI to VGA/D-sub Adapter
                         DVI to HDMI Adapter
                         CrossFire Bridge
                         S-Video to Composite Adapter

Heliopios · 20th August 2008, 11:24

560$ for a GB. Fucking hilarious.

Asmodeus · 20th August 2008, 14:08

You could buy a console for that

lokius · 20th August 2008, 14:20

I'm a happy 4850 owner for almost 2 months now and it's just fine for me atm, and looking at 4870x2 reviews it's a really powerful card though the launch price is bit high. Still if you want a high end monster go with 4870x2 though if I were to spend so much $ I'd buy something else than MSI. Also don't forget bout power consumption, you'll need a good PSU for it.

Lachrymose · 20th August 2008, 15:48

it's great if you can shell out that kind of money. like lokius, i'm happy w/ my 4850 that i got for $160.

Heliopios · 20th August 2008, 20:31

Also one thing I love about these graphics cards that have around 1-2 gb of power, is that games cant get much more real-looking before they just top out, which I suspect will be happening in the next 5-10 years, and even that won't take much more power than today's high end games. The only thing you're going to really need at Shaders, and even those are pretty good on some older graphics cards.

ccoa · 20th August 2008, 22:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heliopios

Also one thing I love about these graphics cards that have around 1-2 gb of power, is that games cant get much more real-looking before they just top out, which I suspect will be happening in the next 5-10 years, and even that won't take much more power than today's high end games. The only thing you're going to really need at Shaders, and even those are pretty good on some older graphics cards.

And when they top out everyone will have virtual reality suits therefore eliminating a need for any sort of Graphics Card or computer for that matter.

catmorbid · 20th August 2008, 23:26

Well, the next big thing will most likely be realtime raytracing, in maybe 5-10 years. Just google it up, you'll find out why. Edit: Just found a useful link.

But I wouldn't personally pay over 200€ for a graphics card. Last two were under 200€, and they've worked just fine for me. Most games run at high details for about a year and for up to three years all games work solid, though details go down a lot, the more time passes by.

LightsabeR · 21st August 2008, 14:43

I find buying high end computer parts to be a waste of money. You can pretty much put together a whole PC for that price.

E8400 - $170
8800GTS - $190
Good MOBO - ~$200
Good RAM - ~$70
PSU - ~$150
-----------------
$780

Then again if money's not an issue, sure, get the latest thing and get 10% more FPS for 50% more $$$. Doesn't seem like a good investment to me, but to each his own I guess.

lokius · 21st August 2008, 15:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by LightsabeR

I find buying high end computer parts to be a waste of money. You can pretty much put together a whole PC for that price.

E8400 - $170
8800GTS - $190
Good MOBO - ~$200
Good RAM - ~$70
PSU - ~$150
-----------------
$780

Then again if money's not an issue, sure, get the latest thing and get 10% more FPS for 50% more $$$. Doesn't seem like a good investment to me, but to each his own I guess.

I agree except the 8800gts, why go with an old gpu if you can have a hd4850 for much same or even lower price or at least a 9800GTX+ for a bit higher price. I prefer to spend less on parts but to upgrade them more often.

silenced · 21st August 2008, 17:48

the 8800gtx was available for ~ $200 for a few days ...

no-one · 21st August 2008, 20:51

Your money is better spent buying a vid card every year for $150

Asmodeus · 21st August 2008, 23:13

buy 2 e-GeForce 8800GT SSC 512MB cheaper and way better combined

Lyllyth · 22nd August 2008, 09:40

I meant the card itself, not the price. lol =)

The price will come down just as it does for every card. =)

Lialith · 22nd August 2008, 09:46

isnt it all about value for money?

Lyllyth · 22nd August 2008, 10:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lialith

isnt it all about value for money?

Value of the item vs. Value of your money... yes.

Someone that has a 6-figure ($100,000+) income would not look at $550 as something big... (<=0.55% of income)
Where someone bringing in $40,000 (1.375% of income) would see it as a larger purchase.
Another way to look at it.. How long would it take you to earn the amount? 1 day? 2 days? a week? a month?

However, I was more pointing towards the nicety of the item, not the cost. Though, if you think back, I recall "top of the line" cards being released for $800+. Hell I even remember one card that released for ~$1,500. So, $550 isn't bad in that sense.

Metal Wolf · 24th August 2008, 22:58

As far as the card and technology goes its a monster.
It shows a few odd anomalies from game to game, and those are mostly due to the crossfire technology. Drivers may fix the issue.

280 vs. 4870x2 review: http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Grap...D-4870-X2.html

lokius · 25th August 2008, 15:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Metal Wolf

[...]

280 vs. 4870x2 review: http://www.insidehw.com/Reviews/Grap...D-4870-X2.html

I'd rather go with guru3d review, there's more info included there imo : http://www.guru3d.com/article/radeon...view-crossfire

Quote:

Originally Posted by Asmodeus

buy 2 e-GeForce 8800GT SSC 512MB cheaper and way better combined

Huh? Are you sure 2x8800gt is better than 4870x2, that's rather impossible even if its a ssc version from evga ihmo. Also its a one card solution wich is a + (even if it uses crossfire).

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lokius Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 49 Rep Power: 1	I'm a happy 4850 owner for almost 2 months now and it's just fine for me atm, and looking at 4870x2 reviews it's a really powerful card though the launch price is bit high. Still if you want a high end monster go with 4870x2 though if I were to spend so much $ I'd buy something else than MSI. Also don't forget bout power consumption, you'll need a good PSU for it. __________________

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catmorbid Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Finland Posts: 547 Rep Power: 2	Well, the next big thing will most likely be realtime raytracing, in maybe 5-10 years. Just google it up, you'll find out why. Edit: Just found a useful link. But I wouldn't personally pay over 200€ for a graphics card. Last two were under 200€, and they've worked just fine for me. Most games run at high details for about a year and for up to three years all games work solid, though details go down a lot, the more time passes by. __________________ Judgement and Perserverance "There's more to the picture, than meets the eye" ESAK: Achiever 33.33%, Explorer 86.67%, Killer 26.67%, Socializer 60.00% Questions about MO? Try this info summary! Follower of the Great Cat God Felissos Last edited by catmorbid : 21st August 2008 at 00:11.

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LightsabeR Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Estonia Age: 21 Posts: 875 Rep Power: 3	I find buying high end computer parts to be a waste of money. You can pretty much put together a whole PC for that price. E8400 - $170 8800GTS - $190 Good MOBO - ~$200 Good RAM - ~$70 PSU - ~$150 ----------------- $780 Then again if money's not an issue, sure, get the latest thing and get 10% more FPS for 50% more $$$. Doesn't seem like a good investment to me, but to each his own I guess. __________________ Killer: 93% / Achiever: 60% / Socializer: 40% / Explorer: 7%

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Heliopios Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Spokane, Washington, USA Posts: 347 Rep Power: 1	560$ for a GB. Fucking hilarious.

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Heliopios Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Spokane, Washington, USA Posts: 347 Rep Power: 1	Also one thing I love about these graphics cards that have around 1-2 gb of power, is that games cant get much more real-looking before they just top out, which I suspect will be happening in the next 5-10 years, and even that won't take much more power than today's high end games. The only thing you're going to really need at Shaders, and even those are pretty good on some older graphics cards.

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