Which scam is greater?

[Phi]

Tuff call but I vote #1

[Saviour]

This could lead to some heavy debates but I choose #2

[Ravenwoods]

I demand this one to be closed...it is not a poll it is a provocation!

[Phi]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

I demand this one to be closed...it is not a poll it is a provocation!

but you voted? =D

[Ravenwoods]

Originally Posted by Phi

but you voted? =D

no i didn't because my option is not provided.

[Heliopios]

Put 'The development of Fallout 3' as another option.

[twistedurges]

<--- was expecting to see a "Darkfall" option.

Either way, the only difference between Christianity and a Cult is a couple hundred million followers.

[Myst]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

I demand this one to be closed...it is not a poll it is a provocation!

/agree.

[Ondor]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

I demand this one to be closed...it is not a poll it is a provocation!

How so?

If it's about global warming...how could anyone possibly be provoked? Then apparently someone should put up some scientific facts/results that clearly indicate, that this phenomenon is happening.

Religion? Well..I myself am not a religious person, but let's take christianity as an example. Wouldn't the OP simply go to hell for this? And in general, hasn't he, and everyone who voted option 2, just upset every deity in every religion? how is that a provocation to anyone? that's his/their problem (The posters). If there really is a god (Oh yes, I'm questioning her existence. Blasphemy! However, I'm not excluding the option, seeing as we don't know everything.)

I'm sorry, but I just fail to see the provocation.

[Ravenwoods]

It is to provoke flame from people. People who are religious or believe in global warming might be compelled to flame him etc.

And what will this poll provide for us? Any useful info at all? What is the OP investigating? In my opinion nothing! So, a waste of a thread should be closed and this one for its extreme political content too.

[Ondor]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

It is to provoke flame from people. People who are religious or believe in global warming might be compelled to flame him etc.

Again, I fail to see how.

And what will this poll provide for us? Any useful info at all? What is the OP investigating? In my opinion nothing! So, a waste of a thread should be closed and this one for its extreme political content too.

That's something else. True, no point to this thread at all.

[Ravenwoods]

If he wanted to truely test something then he would at least add options like:

'I don't believe neither to be scams'

He already established as both being scams and was asking which one is bigger.

[Ravenwoods]

Originally Posted by Ondor

Again, I fail to see how.

Because most people on internet act with their emotions and fall into lures like this so easily. They then turn threads into flamewars. I saw them happen. I have spent far too much time on forums! The OP's aim seems to me is to do just that, stirring up the hive!

[Ondor]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

Because most people on internet act with their emotions and fall into lures like this so easily. They then turn threads into flamewars. I saw them happen. I have spent far too much time on forums! The OP's aim seems to me is to do just that, stirring up the hive!

But that's just your view on the thread, isn't it? You're assuming, that that's his aim, like you're assuming that most people on the internet act with their emotions. I'd like to see the numbers. Can't exclude the possibility that it might have been a typo, seeing as it doesn't say anywhere, that this is flamebait. (Obviously no one would ever do that) So you can really only keep guessing. Could even be a poor attempt at a joke! But there's no provoking material, at least we can't call it intentional. If you believe in god, do that. You're not the one that should be taking offense, your god should. It's funny how so many people around the world take offense ON BEHALF of their god, as if they know what he/she/it is thinking.

If someone finds a thread offensive and demand it locked, although there's something to debate (Obviously not in the case of this thread), then that person should just ignore the thread! It's like parents all over the world screaming about GTA, yet their children still play the game (...?).

[niblick]

2

I refuse to comment more.

[Lachrymose]

by choosing two hot topics and asking which is a scam, this is an obvious troll... and you know what they say about obvious trolls.

ondor, you may not be provoked by this, but can you honestly say you don't see this thread as provocative in any way? seriously?

if this were meant to be a more serious discussion, the title and content of the poll wouldn't be so inflammatory. the poll only allows you to choose the two extremes on both cases. there's no "i'm not green but global warming is probably real" option. if this isn't meant to be a troll, then i can't possibly see what the purpose of it is.

[Arkh]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

I demand this one to be closed...it is not a poll it is a provocation!

Carebear.

[Ondor]

Originally Posted by Lachrymose

ondor, you may not be provoked by this, but can you honestly say you don't see this thread as provocative in any way? seriously?

I can't see this as being provocative, seeing as it isn't directed at anyone. And as such, I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone can take offense of it, unless they considder themselves the deity of a religion.

[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by Arkh

Carebear.

wanting the mods to lock a (potential ) troll isn't carebear.

Originally Posted by Ondor

I can't see this as being provocative, seeing as it isn't directed at anyone. And as such, I'm finding it hard to believe that anyone can take offense of it, unless they considder themselves the deity of a religion.

you don't think a very religious person or someone that adamantly believes in global warming would be provoked by this?? they're both obviously hot topics of which there has been much argument over. either you're just that naive or you're a troll yourself.

[Ondor]

Originally Posted by Lachrymose

you don't think a very religious person or someone that adamantly believes in global warming would be provoked by this?? they're both obviously hot topics of which there has been much argument over. either you're just that naive or you're a troll yourself.

Why should they? It isn't directed at them, they're taking offense for someone/something else.

[Arkh]

Originally Posted by Lachrymose

wanting the mods to lock a (potential ) troll isn't carebear.

Face the truth : it IS carebearish. If you can't stand a simple post on a forum (which you can not read if you want), how much will you cry when you're killed and looted dry in game (which you won't be able to dodge) ?

[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by Arkh

Face the truth : it IS carebearish. If you can't stand a simple post on a forum (which you can not read if you want), how much will you cry when you're killed and looted dry in game (which you won't be able to dodge) ?

no, we just don't want trolls littering the forums. basically, we don't want the MO forums to end up like forumfall, it's as simple as that. trash threads will just spawn new trash threads, and so on and so forth until the whole forum is derailed. there's nothing carebear about it.

keep in mind, plenty of troll threads spew carebear ideas, so if the number of troll threads increase, the number of carebear whinefest threads will increase too. if anything, it'll deter potentially unwanted threads crying for safe zones or getting rid of full loot and ffa pvp.

[ccoa]

Originally Posted by Ondor

Why should they? It isn't directed at them, they're taking offense for someone/something else.

But it's directed at what they beleive in, declaring both as scams insults the beleiver by showing that they fell for something fake therefore passively calling them stupid or an idiot.

[Phi]

This thread wasn't meant to start any arguments or any flaming or any trolling. It's an honest question, nothing more and nothing less, vote or don't. If you choose to create an issue out of it then that is your choice and your issue, it is not the issue of the thread or the OP.

Going Off topic here: Some reactions in this thread indicate mankind is still shedding the skin of the ancient and archaic abuse of the last few thousand years. Censorship of any kind is not good, not good at all. Censorship leads to things like carbon taxes, sheople and irate reactions to freedom of speach like the ones found in this thread (otherwise known as sheep dogs).

Ok back on topic: Again i must stress that if you choose to create an issue out of this thread then that is your choice and your issue, it is not the issue of the thread or the OP.

[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by Phi

This thread wasn't meant to start any arguments or any flaming or any trolling, its an honest question, nothing more and nothing less, vote or don't. If you choose to create an issue out of it then that is your choice and your issue, it is not the issue of the thread or the OP.

Some reactions in this thread indicate mankind is still shedding the skin of the ancient and archaic abuse of the last few thousand years. Censorship of any kind is not good, not good at all. Censorship leads to things like carbon taxes, sheople and irate reactions to freedom of speach like the ones found in this thread.

Again i must stress that if you choose to create an issue out of this thread then that is your choice and your issue, it is not the issue of the thread or the OP.

phi, if you wanted to have a serious discussion about this, there are certainly better ways to go about it than this. your OP doesn't exactly sound like the beginnings of an intelligent discussion. as soon as i read it, i could tell there would be some controversy, which is what makes it a troll (and maybe it was an "unintentional troll").

from the forum rules:

You are, under no circumstances, allowed to harass other users, use abusive language and swearing. Personal, religious, ethnical and racial attacks will also result in an instant ban just as sexual related insults.

now, don't get me wrong. i don't think your post is that bad, nowhere near a bannable offense. but it's along the same lines, just on a lesser scale. it's clearly offended some people. as far as global warming goes, i don't think people would care too much about you calling it a scam. but as far as religion goes, you're calling someone's beliefs a scam, and if you don't see that as even remotely offensive, i just don't even know what to say.

[Xandor]

I belive most religion is a scam, just not mine.

[Ondor]

Originally Posted by ccoa

But it's directed at what they beleive in, declaring both as scams insults the beleiver by showing that they fell for something fake therefore passively calling them stupid or an idiot.

But if they believe in it, why would they care what someone else thinks about it? Why is it so hard, to believe in what you believe in? You can't prove the existance of a deity, and everyone else can't deny it. So in a way, everyone is right, and everyone is wrong. Is it a scam? is it real? no one knows. If the OP is truly saying outright, that it is a scam, well...that's his belief. He can't provide any proof, and neither can you, so it's a theory, nothing more. For a religious person to start taking offense from that is just wrong, seeing as it is directed at the deity that they believe in, not them.

In short: Why take offense for something that isn't directed at you?