So there will be no monster races

[Peasant]

Copied from the Leipzig 2008 thread

"I also really dont think there will be playable orcs. They did choose half-orcs because they wanted to make that warrior kind of character more concrete. If you think of movies like 300 or Gladiator, thats the kind of direction they were aiming for when they decided to have playable half-orcs. They dont want to have playable "monsters" and also do not want to let monsters become human in some sort of way. I think it will be a realistic fantasy setting as far as it is possible."

So, no banshees, vampires, centaurs, minotaurs, half-dragons and no mudkips.

So it will be more D&D-like? Half-elves, dwarfs and the like?

[Lialith]

yes, i do think its going to be D&D-like ...
they didnt want to tell me if there will be elves or other half-human races, but i think to remember that the word "traditional" came up while talking about races...

well, i really would prefere it that way
(i have already discribed in that post why i feel that way: http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/2...html#post46183 )

[TMT]

I'm really happy about this. I just hope they consider elves as a monsters too :P.

[Sorjak]

I don't mind elves, so long as they portray them as exceedingly snobbish and aristocratic humans, only with pointy ears, blond hair, and possibly a love of magic.

[Traceur]

this is an interesting take. it's drastically different from my own take on races, but it's still interesting. i do still hope that they avoid making "cultural races" like barbarians as apposed to urban or a separated race for africans... if they stay along the line of non-human races being "fantastic humanoids", it might give a very interesting result.

[dawnofdeath]

Please no dwarfs or gnomes etc! PLEASE

[WarBow]

No dwarves? What do you mean? Who would build that beautiful wall of not dwarves? Craziness...

I usually play humans or dwarves. Sometimes elves but not usually.

[Kalafax]

Its a fantasy game, elves, dwarves, gnomes, halflings, thats part of the fantasy genre, I dont know how people can have a problem with it.

I really hope it'll be standard D&D races as it is the basis for fantasy, old school races that is, not the new v4.0 races.

[Stump]

Originally Posted by Kalafax

Its a fantasy game, elves, dwarves, gnomes, halflings, thats part of the fantasy genre, I dont know how people can have a problem with it.

I really hope it'll be standard D&D races as it is the basis for fantasy, old school races that is, not the new v4.0 races.

But MO isn't a standart D&D style game.
And as Victor said, all RPG's basis are J.R.Tolkien and other authors (that I dont remember) books.

[dawnofdeath]

Originally Posted by Kalafax

Its a fantasy game, elves, dwarves, gnomes, halflings, thats part of the fantasy genre, I dont know how people can have a problem with it.

I really hope it'll be standard D&D races as it is the basis for fantasy, old school races that is, not the new v4.0 races.

it doesn't have to have dwarfs,gnomes,elves bla bla to be fantasy, it just show its just another tolkien wannabe fantasy which I'm fed up with. I can live with humanoid half raced races such as half orc only because they still look human. Tolkien etc is just a kiddy version of true fantasy which is lore such as Conan by Robert E Howard written in the 30s, that is the father and mother to all fantasy.

MO give us something new and fresh please. Be brave enough to stand out the typical races we see everywhere except age of conan.

[Kalafax]

Originally Posted by dawnofdeath

it doesn't have to have dwarfs,gnomes,elves bla bla to be fantasy, it just show its just another tolkien wannabe fantasy which I'm fed up with. I can live with humanoid half raced races such as half orc only because they still look human. Tolkien etc is just a kiddy version of true fantasy which is lore such as Conan by Robert E Howard written in the 30s, that is the father and mother to all fantasy.

MO give us something new and fresh please. Be brave enough to stand out the typical races we see everywhere except age of conan.

lulz

[dawnofdeath]

Originally Posted by Kalafax

lulz

Wow the best argument yet, and even used lulz. I'm impressed *gives rep point*.

/sarcasm off

[zachrates]

Not to mention that gnomes and dwarves don't have any sort of natural physics involved to them.

Look I'm not here to argue physics in a fantasy genre, but one can assume that the fantasy based realm is at least some-what based on real life mechanics. If a 3 foot tall man, the size of a fat toddler runs at you, you could just kick his stupid hide like a ball - it's just a matter of mass. Dwarves and Gnomes make NO sense for any sort of combat. That's why I hate them lol

[dawnofdeath]

Originally Posted by zachrates

Not to mention that gnomes and dwarves don't have any sort of natural physics involved to them.

Look I'm not here to argue physics in a fantasy genre, but one can assume that the fantasy based realm is at least some-what based on real life mechanics. If a 3 foot tall man, the size of a fat toddler runs at you, you could just kick his stupid hide like a ball - it's just a matter of mass. Dwarves and Gnomes make NO sense for any sort of combat. That's why I hate them lol

Yeah I mean how could a gnome that's a few centimeters tall be as strong as a 2 meter brute and tank dragons and whatnot heh. Not to mention they make fantasy a joke.

[zachrates]

Originally Posted by dawnofdeath

Yeah I mean how could a gnome that's a few centimeters tall be as strong as a 2 meter brute and tank dragons and whatnot heh. Not to mention they make fantasy a joke.

OMG I got it.

There muscles are 5x as dense and weigh 3x the amount! lol ><

[Landor]

Originally Posted by dawnofdeath

it doesn't have to have dwarfs,gnomes,elves bla bla to be fantasy, it just show its just another tolkien wannabe fantasy which I'm fed up with. I can live with humanoid half raced races such as half orc only because they still look human. Tolkien etc is just a kiddy version of true fantasy which is lore such as Conan by Robert E Howard written in the 30s, that is the father and mother to all fantasy.

MO give us something new and fresh please. Be brave enough to stand out the typical races we see everywhere except age of conan.

Last time I checked tolkien was reading about his world and what not when he was just a kid. I mean what Tolkien has done was just amazing. Creating a whole new world with a creation story, history for 1000's of years, 100's of names for the people of his world. Names of places in his world. History of each place. And the list goes on. Now not many people have done something like this. Conan was ok, not the best.

Now calling Tolkien's world a kiddy version of true fantasy is a joke a best. It was his writing that the modern plural of dwarf came to be. Before Tolkien's plural it was mostly just Dwarfs, not Dwarves.

And you got to remember a lot of Tolkiens ideas came from the worlds myths and legends too. Which a lot of fantasy ideas come from too. So calling Tolkien's world a kiddy version... is like calling myths and legends of the world kiddy versions which is calling other fantasies kiddy versions.

Originally Posted by zachrates

Not to mention that gnomes and dwarves don't have any sort of natural physics involved to them.

Look I'm not here to argue physics in a fantasy genre, but one can assume that the fantasy based realm is at least some-what based on real life mechanics. If a 3 foot tall man, the size of a fat toddler runs at you, you could just kick his stupid hide like a ball - it's just a matter of mass. Dwarves and Gnomes make NO sense for any sort of combat. That's why I hate them lol

Not sure where you took physics. But let me ask you this. Would you want to have a ball that is light coming at you, or a heavy ball coming at you?

You would want the lighter ball due to the fact it has less force put into it to move it and would need less force to stop it. Which means it would hurt less to be hit by it. Dwarves are build like tanks. They are small but heavy, so it would take more force to move them, so they would be able to take more.

Now Gnomes are small and light, so they would be faster due to the fact they are lighter and take less force to move them, so they won't be able to take as much, but would be able to dodge hits better then say a human or a dwarf.

So they would be physical possible to use in combat.

[dawnofdeath]

Originally Posted by Landor

Last time I checked tolkien was reading about his world and what not when he was just a kid. I mean what Tolkien has done was just amazing. Creating a whole new world with a creation story, history for 1000's of years, 100's of names for the people of his world. Names of places in his world. History of each place. And the list goes on. Now not many people have done something like this. Conan was ok, not the best..

Now calling Tolkien's world a kiddy version of true fantasy is a joke a best. It was his writing that the modern plural of dwarf came to be. Before Tolkien's plural it was mostly just Dwarfs, not Dwarves...

Yes of course his work was amazing but he got inspired by Robert E.H and without Conan there would not be any Lord of the rings and what not.
But have you ever read the stories of Conan? Compared to Conan which is very brutal and gore, The lord of the rings is infact a kiddy/disney version of it. And for him to make a plural world? come on how is that relevant?

And you got to remember a lot of Tolkiens ideas came from the worlds myths and legends too. Which a lot of fantasy ideas come from too. So calling Tolkien's world a kiddy version... is like calling myths and legends of the world kiddy versions which is calling other fantasies kiddy versions...

Yes and so did Robert, in fact Conan is based on our world 10k years ago with mystical creatures in it of course.
No it's not because myths and legends are not fantasy persey but yes I would call many fantasy lore to be somewhat of a kiddy version, depends on which you speak of. WoW and Warhammer is basicly just rip offs of Tolkien as well.

Not sure where you took physics. But let me ask you this. Would you want to have a ball that is light coming at you, or a heavy ball coming at you?

You would want the lighter ball due to the fact it has less force put into it to move it and would need less force to stop it. Which means it would hurt less to be hit by it. Dwarves are build like tanks. They are small but heavy, so it would take more force to move them, so they would be able to take more.

Now Gnomes are small and light, so they would be faster due to the fact they are lighter and take less force to move them, so they won't be able to take as much, but would be able to dodge hits better then say a human or a dwarf.

So they would be physical possible to use in combat.

If you want dwarfs and gnomes so badly go to WoW/Warhammer.
Why introduce the same old boring ununique stuff into MO?

[Sanctus]

If you want dwarfs and gnomes so badly go to WoW/Warhammer.
Why introduce the same old boring ununique stuff into MO?

And if you don't want dwarves and gnomes, go play Age of Conan...

Honestly, I like Dwarves and Gnomes and Halflings =) in my games, I wouldn't play them, but it would seem boring if everyone was the "same" basically. It also allows other people to play how they want to play, Dwarves are made of muscle, and hey, if I wanted to play with an Irish accent, well, pfft =), but in all seriousness, if I wanted to play something that fit in with a Fighter type class the most, I would play a dwarf, they are tanks...
Try this, take two cups, one tall and thin, and another short and fat... Now apply the same force on both of them near the top of the cups until one of them falls over... The short fat one will win, that's why some people like to play dwarves, they are sturdier than taller, thinner races.

Same thing applies to Gnomes and Halflings, Gnomes are more adept at Arcan magic than Elves, (High Elves excluded) and Halflings make good rogues, take Bilbo Baggins for example =P.

Try this, take two cups, one tall and thin, and another short and fat... Now apply the same force on both of them near the top of the cups until one of them falls over... The short fat one will win, that's why some people like to play dwarves, they are sturdier than taller, thinner races.

[dawnofdeath]

Originally Posted by Sanctus

And if you don't want dwarves and gnomes, go play Age of Conan...

That's why MO should break the trend also, so we get more options. Why be one in the mix when it could be unique to some extend? Give us humanoid only playable races (halfling such as half orcs etc are acceptable since they look human) not some silly idea of a joke as midgets.

Imo there shouldn't be any elves either, it's done to death and they are queer.

[dawnofdeath]

Originally Posted by Sanctus

And if you don't want dwarves and gnomes, go play Age of Conan...

Honestly, I like Dwarves and Gnomes and Halflings =) in my games, I wouldn't play them, but it would seem boring if everyone was the "same" basically. It also allows other people to play how they want to play, Dwarves are made of muscle, and hey, if I wanted to play with an Irish accent, well, pfft =), but in all seriousness, if I wanted to play something that fit in with a Fighter type class the most, I would play a dwarf, they are tanks...
Try this, take two cups, one tall and thin, and another short and fat... Now apply the same force on both of them near the top of the cups until one of them falls over... The short fat one will win, that's why some people like to play dwarves, they are sturdier than taller, thinner races.

Same thing applies to Gnomes and Halflings, Gnomes are more adept at Arcan magic than Elves, (High Elves excluded) and Halflings make good rogues, take Bilbo Baggins for example =P.

Try this, take two cups, one tall and thin, and another short and fat... Now apply the same force on both of them near the top of the cups until one of them falls over... The short fat one will win, that's why some people like to play dwarves, they are sturdier than taller, thinner races.

/yawn Basicly every mmo,fantasy except AoC have these races. Why not see something new? Humanoid halflings can be pretty good for variation and at the same time stand out from the rest.

[Rathius]

But then you'd be having a rip-off of somebody elses fantasy world. I guess that makes it so much better right?

It's called a genre for a reason.

[Rhygar]

I'm quite comfortable with the idea of limited playable races. I always play as human anyway so wouldn't make much difference to me.

Too some extent developers have run too far with the idea of many playable races. Why? Well because people got bored with the games due to the level/quest treadmill. They wanted something new. Adding additional playable races was easier than reinventing the wheel. It did very little to add to your gaming experience but of course people thought is was awesome. It became a great filler for an expansion pack... "and 3 completely NEW playable races!" the headline would read. Wtf? So now I have to restart the treadmill for me to actually get the benefit on an expansion? Funnily enough people never see how close this actually comes to PD (against which they are so biased). Not exactly the same, but in essence you stop playing the older character(s). Yes he is still available of course but you will have to spend more countless hours levelling up this new character.

It never solved the fundamental problem that the traditional themepark-MMO design is boring and repetitive. Unfortunately like many other things like restricted PvP, non-lootable items, safe zones it quietly became the norm.

In a sandbox like Mortal a limit on the races will probably not even be noticed because they have hopefully slayed the level/quest treadmill! I think these devs have done a lot of "out-of-the-box" thinking and done great work in identifying what is important and what is fluff. Bravo guys!

[dawnofdeath]

Originally Posted by Rathius

But then you'd be having a rip-off of somebody elses fantasy world. I guess that makes it so much better right?

It's called a genre for a reason.

Who said anything about having rip offs of someones elses fantasy world?

[dawnofdeath]

Originally Posted by Rhygar

I'm quite comfortable with the idea of limited playable races. I always play as human anyway so wouldn't make much difference to me.

Too some extent developers have run too far with the idea of many playable races. Why? Well because people got bored with the games due to the level/quest treadmill. They wanted something new. Adding additional playable races was easier than reinventing the wheel. It did very little to add to your gaming experience but of course people thought is was awesome. It became a great filler for an expansion pack... "and 3 completely NEW playable races!" the headline would read. Wtf? So now I have to restart the treadmill for me to actually get the benefit on an expansion? Funnily enough people never see how close this actually comes to PD (against which they are so biased). Not exactly the same, but in essence you stop playing the older character(s). Yes he is still available of course but you will have to spend more countless hours levelling up this new character.

It never solved the fundamental problem that the traditional themepark-MMO design is boring and repetitive. Unfortunately like many other things like restricted PvP, non-lootable items, safe zones it quietly became the norm.

In a sandbox like Mortal a limit on the races will probably not even be noticed because they have hopefully slayed the level/quest treadmill! I think these devs have done a lot of "out-of-the-box" thinking and done great work in identifying what is important and what is fluff. Bravo guys!

Yeah exactly, especially if you have a very good character creation feature so people still can look unique. Take AoC for example, even if there are only 3 races they are all human but they still all look unique.

[Rhygar]