Which Scam is Greater: The Unbiased Version.

[Phi]

I redid this poll to make it fair for all my MO brethren, my apologies to anyone who misunderstood me.

I also included Spirituality so that it could clearly be distinguished from Religion (or vice versa). In the same manner I included Science so it could be distinguished from Global Warming(or vice versa)



I had to vote for #1 again, tho i am torn between 1 and 5. I mean if its just fluctuating charges of electromagnetic energy that becomes all the subjectivity in our consciousness and subconsciousness then 5 really would be the best choice... blah, to hell with all that I'm sticking with #1 still.

[Victor]

Global Warming, ala fear propaganda...

Apparently the North pole froze over this summer, the Global Warming tinheads have a hard time explaining that one. They also don't know what Sun spots are... heh

Concerning the rest, well... I agree... 1 and 2 are the scams. They both are invented to control the masses. Research what happened to the lads that first translated the bible.

[Phi]

Originally Posted by Victor

Global Warming, ala fear propaganda...

They also don't know what Sun spots are... heh

By any chance are you insinuating, Nuclear Fusion VS Electricity, magnetism and Plasma?

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Phi

By any chance are you insinuating, Nuclear Fusion VS Electricity, magnetism and Plasma?

Explain yourself. You lost me, although I've been up all night... so that might explain it. *scratches head*

[Ravenwoods]

Ahaha thanks Phi for counting my criticism

[Lyllyth]

Religion has been the biggest, longest running scam in human history... The rest pale in comparison.

[Ondor]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

Ahaha thanks Phi for counting my criticism

Told you your assumption was wrong ^^ (Let's not continue here.)

[Ravenwoods]

Originally Posted by Lyllyth

Religion has been the biggest, longest running scam in human history... The rest pale in comparison.

Not even science? I think science is pretty great too

[Ravenwoods]

Originally Posted by Ondor

Told you your assumption was wrong ^^ (Let's not continue here.)

Well he proved me wrong which is a good thing. That means I understood his intentions wrong.

[LightsabeR]

To be honest I hate it how the US government turned global warming into a political agenda.

While the majority of the civilized world was trying to figure out ways on how limit the amount of pollution humans create, Americans were taking sides and calling each other liars.

Furthermore, "global warming" is not the right term in my mind. It's much better to call it climate change. Also, how ever small or big the human factor is in effecting the climate and well being of our planet, I doubt anyone can say that we're playing it safe at the moment.

Sure, maybe we won't screw up our planet to the extent that it'll be inhabitable and we'll live happily ever after, great! But what if we do go too far? Better to be safe than sorry to be honest. I'd rather pay some more taxes now and to help our governments and scientists to figure out how to conserve our planet, than risk the chance that my kids or grandkids might have to walk around wearing gas masks.


To anyone who it might concern, I voted "religion". I got nothing against religious people, as long as they don't try to force their religion on me. As I respect their right to believe in whatever they want, they should also respect my right to not believe in those things.

[ccoa]

Did you know one volcanoe releases more carbon emmisions in one eruption than all the cars in the world in one year?

My statistics may not be completley accurate but it's something like that.

[LightsabeR]

Originally Posted by ccoa

Did you know one volcanoe releases more carbon emmisions in one eruption than all the cars in the world in one year?

My statistics may not be completley accurate but it's something like that.

Yeah yeah I know all that stuff, believe me, I've gone over it with skeptics again and again. We all know there are natural factors that effect the climate of our planet, that's common sense.

Point is, every little bit of environmental damage humans cause is unnatural. Look at it how ever you like, in the end, we're still effecting our planet and we don't have a clue if it'll cause any long term damage. It might not. Then we'll all be fine. But if it does... then what?

[Asmodeus]

then we'll have to deal with the consequences, that's what we do and where good at it some may even call it evolution...thinking we can keep the world the way it is at the moment is naive and stupid, that of course does not mean it's a big free for all and we can do what we want. But don't say it's for the environment just say it as it is and explain to everybody that we gotta stop wasting, because that's what its about.

I voted religion btw... but I won't rant about that :x

[LightsabeR]

Originally Posted by Asmodeus

then we'll have to deal with the consequences, that's what we do and where good at it some may even call it evolution...

Yeah, evolution. You know another word that goes hand in hand with evolution? Extinction. Species that screw up in one way or the other become extinct. Kind of hard to deal with the consequences when you're dead.

Originally Posted by Asmodeus

thinking we can keep the world the way it is at the moment is naive and stupid

Not talking about keeping the world exactly the way it is, ideally, I'd like to see the situation improve. Fact is tho that even if we're still gonna pollute we might as well try to cut back as much as possible, just to be sure.

Originally Posted by Asmodeus

But don't say it's for the environment just say it as it is and explain to everybody that we gotta stop wasting, because that's what its about.

And what are we wasting? Ah yes, natural resources. What are natural resources a part of? Ah yes, the environment.

[Asmodeus]

Where not all gonna die because we pollute...a lot of us are gonna die because of the new ice age/meteor/third world war/lack of food/changes in climate in general/etc.. and all the nasty stuff that comes with these things.
Trying to cut back is stop wasting isn't it? Knowing what you use, what your using it on, how you use it and how you can re-use it. America uses 25% of the world's energie for 4,5% of the world population. Apply simple maths, assuming upcoming thirth world country's wanting to same standard as the States, and it just won't add up.

Last but not least, the environment is a little bit more then just natural resources and saying "we" humans affect nature unnaturally...how do you know? Walking around with gasmasks >.<
Biggest problems we face when it comes to "global warming" aka climate change, will be drastic changes in weather and sea levels, both things we can't do much about let alone stop. We basically screwed ourselfs by creating most major city's next to shore lines and big rivers.

Don't get me wrong, I completely agree with you that we should cut back on what we use, spend way more money on research so we can improve how we use and re-use things. Just please, don't say its for global warming and if we don't do "it" where all gonna die because thats a load of bs.

[Saviour]

Originally Posted by Lyllyth

Religion has been the biggest, longest running scam in human history... The rest pale in comparison.

Woosh 1+

[Phi]

Originally Posted by Victor

Explain yourself. You lost me, although I've been up all night... so that might explain it. *scratches head*

Ah my bad =]

I was just referring to a new theory coming out of plasma cosmology that is gaining notice. It has to do with electricity and electromagnetism being the top ruling force in our universe rather than gravity. When you mentioned sun spots it brought it to mind. Science has always based the sun off the current technology of the era. A few centuries ago man thought the sun was a giant campfire or ember in the sky, in early 20th century with all the new gravity theories being formulated the sun was seen a gravitationally collapsing nebula and at the start if the atomic age the sun was and is seen as a giant nuclear reactor. Scientist are arguing because sun spots are areas where we can see deepest into the sun and the deepest parts of the sun are the coolest parts of the sun. If fusion was correct then it would be hotter at the sun spots rather than cooler. Some scientist spout out fairy tale theories to explain their scientific anomalies such as sun spots like explaining them as twisted magnetic fields, science is nothing more than dogma too =]. Anyway now we are in a plasma/subatomic age. They are proving that gravity has nothing to do with our planets orbit or anything to do with keeping the universe together. They have detected plasma "ropes" that come from the sun and twist together into an electromagnetic cord that ties us to the sun. What i mention in this post is only a tiny aspect of this whole theory, but it isn't so main stream yet because it goes against the big bang theory by proving the current explanation of redshift isn't accurate, and the current views on redshift is one of the main ingredients of the big bang formula, so like all dogma we cling to it afraid change. The head scientist at nasa are the exact same as the popes and church leaders of the world. They will mislead the public and censor information to ensure their views are the only ones acceptable in society. If a mainstream scientist or nasa scientist were to speak out openly against the big the bang theory it would be on the same level of heresy as the pope admitting that the Jesus figure in the bible is really a recycled story of sun worship that was around thousands of years before the immaculate conception and that Jesus is nothing more than a new face or an old pagan belief system, yup same level of heresy. I'm stopping here but there is some truly fascinating and eerie truths with the whole electric universe theory and plasma cosmology thing.

[Grannus]

Originally Posted by Phi

Ah my bad =]

I was just referring to a new theory coming out of plasma cosmology that is gaining notice. It has to do with electricity and electromagnetism being the top ruling force in our universe rather than gravity. When you mentioned sun spots it brought it to mind. Science has always based the sun off the current technology of the era. A few centuries ago man thought the sun was a giant campfire or ember in the sky, in early 20th century with all the new gravity theories being formulated the sun was seen a gravitationally collapsing nebula and at the start if the atomic age the sun was and is seen as a giant nuclear reactor. Scientist are arguing because sun spots are areas where we can see deepest into the sun and the deepest parts of the sun are the coolest parts of the sun. If fusion was correct then it would be hotter at the sun spots rather than cooler. Some scientist spout out fairy tale theories to explain their scientific anomalies such as sun spots like explaining them as twisted magnetic fields, science is nothing more than dogma too =]. Anyway now we are in a plasma/subatomic age. They are proving that gravity has nothing to do with our planets orbit or anything to do with keeping the universe together. They have detected plasma "ropes" that come from the sun and twist together into an electromagnetic cord that ties us to the sun. What i mention in this post is only a tiny aspect of this whole theory, but it isn't so main stream yet because it goes against the big bang theory by proving the current explanation of redshift isn't accurate, and the current views on redshift is one of the main ingredients of the big bang formula, so like all dogma we cling to it afraid change. The head scientist at nasa are the exact same as the popes and church leaders of the world. They will mislead the public and censor information to ensure their views are the only ones acceptable in society. If a mainstream scientist or nasa scientist were to speak out openly against the big the bang theory it would be on the same level of heresy as the pope admitting that the Jesus figure in the bible is really a recycled story of sun worship that was around thousands of years before the immaculate conception and that Jesus is nothing more than a new face or an old pagan belief system, yup same level of heresy. I'm stopping here but there is some truly fascinating and eerie truths with the whole electric universe theory and plasma cosmology thing.

Since gravity is such an illusion, where do the "plasma ropes" come from that tie the moon to the earth? Flying Spaghetti Monster?

[Ravenwoods]

Originally Posted by Phi

Ah my bad =]

all the stuff he said

First of all please use paragraphes. That makes it easier to read.

Second of all, while I don't know about the theory you are talking about, I too agree that holding onto 'science' as the absolute truth would be dogmatic. Scientific theories change all the time. Yes, that is the beauty of science but also its weakest point. Since, we don't know everything in the universe and how everything works, science will be discovering new things all the time and proposing new theories, replacing their old ones.

So, how can one claim science as non fally or hold on to it as absolute truth and dis religion or God so much is beyond me.

And another note that science is not vs God or vice versa. For many people (including me) they can co-exist and give meaning to each other. For science merely discovers 'how', the question 'why' is not answered in any case.

I love science btw

[yXXe]

Originally Posted by Grannus

Since gravity is such an illusion, where do the "plasma ropes" come from that tie the moon to the earth? Flying Spaghetti Monster?

Don't underestimate the Flying Spaghetti Monster! We believers HAVE PROVEN IT!

[Phi]

Originally Posted by Grannus

Since gravity is such an illusion, where do the "plasma ropes" come from that tie the moon to the earth? Flying Spaghetti Monster?

The theory doesn't say gravity is an illusion entirely, but it says that our understanding about gravity being the over ruling predominant force of the universe is an illusion. Electromagnetism is billions upon billions of x's stronger than gravity. If you set some paper clips on the ground, the earth will pull them into its self because of gravity and they rest on the ground, well wave a small magnet over those paper clips and what happens? The tiny magnet over powers all the gravity of the entire planet. What holds you and I and all matter together at the sub atomic level? Electromagnetism. Not gravity. Is gravity ripping apart you or I or all the matter in the known universe? Nope, the law of magnet is much stronger.

The "ropes" are not plasma, the ropes are magnetic and are termed 'magnetic flux ropes', and believe it or not they are the cause of the aurora borealis/northern lights. They haven't found any magnetic flux ropes tied to the moon that i know about, but NASA have put out written reports about the ropes being found connected to mars and Venus. Back to the moon, most of science agrees that moon wasn't formed with our solar system, meaning that it hasn't been here for very long, so the moon never got a rope maybe? who knows...

To make a long story short, in theory the stars and our sun are not burning balls of gas, but are instead electrically powered balls of plasma, all connected to some universal electromagnetically powered grid.

And by the way everyone knows by now the spaghetti monster is locked away somewhere deep inside the Vatacine.

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

And another note that science is not vs God or vice versa. For many people (including me) they can co-exist and give meaning to each other. For science merely discovers 'how', the question 'why' is not answered in any case.

I love science btw

I believe science and god will eventually lead into each other, it can be seen happening already with the teachings of some ancient yoga systems, Hinduism, Buddhism, are all being rediscovered or proven true with new sciences like quantum metaphysics and cosmology and math....

yes, if the question 'why' is answered for a person, whether its god or science that has answered makes no difference, they are both the exact type of personal faith and neither system is better than the other.

[Victor]

Ah, nice Phi, very interesting.

I was referring the sun spots though, as the explanation to why we have this reoccurring climate changes on earth during certain eras. Remember, during the 11th century Icelandic Vikings settled on Greenland, back then Greenland was inhabitable, they grew crops and established farms there.

Nonetheless, we are gradually heading into a New Ice Age. The earth will become cooler not hotter in the future, not to worry though, this is natural; earth has it's bigger seasons too.

[Ravenwoods]

Originally Posted by Victor

Ah, nice Phi, very interesting.

I was referring the sun spots though, as the explanation to why we have this reoccurring climate changes on earth during certain eras. Remember, during the 11th century Icelandic Vikings settled on Greenland, back then Greenland was inhabitable, they grew crops and established farms there.

Nonetheless, we are gradually heading into a New Ice Age. The earth will become cooler not hotter in the future, not to worry though, this is natural; earth has it's bigger seasons too.

So,


DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM!!!!

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Ravenwoods

So,


DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMM!!!!

Hehe, not exactly. We managed to survive in the past; in the future it will be easier. You shouldn’t worry too much about mankind, we are resilient.