Monetary system

Sperg · 11th April 2008, 19:47

Can we have a system that deals with gold only instead of copper, zinc bleh bleh bleh?

rKos · 11th April 2008, 20:14

Bring back the gold standard!
If there's player lead cities/nations then there should be player created money.

Sperg · 11th April 2008, 21:13

It was just better when you only had to deal with gold

Sovereign · 11th April 2008, 21:34

No, The devs have clearly stated that paper money is the accepted currency only.

Sperg · 11th April 2008, 21:36

Well I can appreciate that, and only in small bills I presume?

Metal Wolf · 12th April 2008, 02:13

Barter system or no system!

Aragoni · 12th April 2008, 02:17

Nah.. I'd like to continue with the same old currency-system.

Bunkah · 12th April 2008, 02:18

there's gonna be a monthly fee of ~15 gold/month!!!

Provoke · 12th April 2008, 02:19

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Originally Posted by Aragoni

Nah.. I'd like to continue with the same old currency-system.

I agree with this.

Used to it now and it does it purpose. ;P

/Provoke

Tryst · 12th April 2008, 02:19

I really love the idea of having a barter system. Hell of a way to eliminate those who would farm to sell for real cash.

It also makes sense in an eviron that spans such distances and, presumably, cultures. What would be considered coin in one local may be worthless in another. A cache of fine arrows, however, is useful any place.

Provoke · 12th April 2008, 02:20

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Originally Posted by Bunkah

there's gonna be a monthly fee of ~15 gold/month!!!

Freaky siggy pic you have there ! o_O

*hides in a corner*

/Provoke

Aragoni · 12th April 2008, 11:04

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Originally Posted by Tryst

I really love the idea of having a barter system. Hell of a way to eliminate those who would farm to sell for real cash.

Open-PvP and the ability to steal other peoples gold would be the cure for goldfarming.

Shrapnel · 12th April 2008, 12:06

More or less any setup is fine with me as long as its not tied in to real money like Project Entropia and such.

Sovereign · 12th April 2008, 15:45

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Originally Posted by Tryst

I really love the idea of having a barter system. Hell of a way to eliminate those who would farm to sell for real cash.

It also makes sense in an eviron that spans such distances and, presumably, cultures. What would be considered coin in one local may be worthless in another. A cache of fine arrows, however, is useful any place.

It doesn't work in real life so it won't work in virtual land.

Sperg · 12th April 2008, 20:20

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Originally Posted by Aragoni

Open-PvP and the ability to steal other peoples gold would be the cure for goldfarming.

I'd dig this idea!

Reverend Mundane · 16th April 2008, 20:26

Heh, that bartering system sounds really interesting actually. Would force players to set up their own currencies.

"Fine swords for sale! Only for five squirrel skins and two wolf fangs!"

Would it be too hardcore for this game?

I can't think of any MMO that didn't have fiat currency, issued and controlled by developers acting as central bankers. Are there any?

Lyllyth · 27th June 2008, 14:38

I like the idea of different cultures having their own monetary systems, but I'm also a fan of coin in varying values.
I recently read a book that had a monetary system that dealt in "Pieces", "Nobels" and "Crowns". So say, 10 Copper Pieces was equal to 1 Copper Nobel and so on. The "Crowns" were only used in the upper end of the chain of metals. So say that Platinum was your highest metal value, then Platinum would have the "Piece", "Nobel" and "Crown".

Code:

PC   1
PN   10
PP   100
GN   1,000
GP   10,000
SN   100,000
SP   1,000,000
CN   10,000,000
CP   100,000,000

Personally, I would enjoy a system like this.

Landor · 27th June 2008, 16:30

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Originally Posted by Metal Wolf

Barter system or no system!

That just made me laugh, as right now you are living in a world that uses the Barter system. Its just we changed what we barter with. We have a general object that we barter with to buy objects.

OMGPIE · 27th June 2008, 19:47

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Originally Posted by rKos

Bring back the gold standard!
If there's player lead cities/nations then there should be player created money.

Agreed 100%! Guilds should use whatever standard they fell like and they could even raise or lower the value of certain currencies.

Apollo · 27th June 2008, 22:03

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Originally Posted by Aragoni

Open-PvP and the ability to steal other peoples gold would be the cure for goldfarming.

So true... we don't have to worry about gold farmers unless they are extremely skilled at fighting as well.

Btw, I like the simple copper, silver, gold system. It made sense to me the first day I used it and has remained effective ever sense. I do feel that money should not be automatically coined up and that each different valued coin should have a differing weight from each other ( if MO uses the weight system).

Vanndal · 29th June 2008, 12:05

Money huh... lets not too complicated with this...

The usual currency System of Platinum > Gold > Silver > Copper works for me. Creating player crafted currency sounds like a hassle for game designers, and probably not worth the hassle.

Mukan · 30th June 2008, 03:37

Having a currency system that deals with copper/silver/gold whatever is tried and true. If you simply have 1 type, say Gold coins, it would get kind of ridiculous feeling.

Someone would be selling wolf skins for 100000 gold and it would be just fine.
Numbers that big seem silly to me, maybe it's just me though.

As for a barter system, I don't see that really working too well.

Mantra · 2nd July 2008, 13:13

A currency based on gold/silver/copper makes most players feel right at home from the first minute. In my opinion it's important that all new players quickly can understand something as basic as the game currency and trade.

I don't think a barter system is fully applicable in the online gaming world as long as the average player don't spend half their waken time in-game. In the real world barter usually replaces money as the method of exchange in times of monetary crisis, i.e. when the currency is instable. As long as gold farming is prevented by measures such as someone mentioned, the possibility to loot other players gold I don't see that happening in this game.

I also think the common player would find it difficult to stay "up to date" with all fluctuations in value for each commodity. Let's face it, most players find it hard enough to keep up with market values as it is. The larger mass is required for a MMORPG to really evolve and prosper. Let's not make it too hard for them and scare them away.

A good game is advanced, challenging and filled with limitless possibilities for its players. But the basic gameplay and trade must be as simple as possible for everyone to grasp instantly. A compromise on the subject with barter could be to set up a "Global Trade Exchange" (or several local Exchange Markets for each region) where players could swap their loot for either services or other goods without forcing a barter system on all players, even though it's cool.

Ruin · 2nd July 2008, 23:12

Imo time should be spent developing crafting instead of going through the trouble to implement different currencies, but I do agree with putting the economy in player's hands a la EvE

Backstabber · 5th July 2008, 10:07

Gold coins. Just go with gold coins, please! I hated dealing with all those different types of coins. It made making money a pain in the ass. You need this many coppers to make a silver. You need this many silver to earn a gold. Ugh, no more of that WoW crap.

UO had it right. Gold coins and nothing else.

skeaser · 5th July 2008, 14:40

I'd like to see culture based currency. Each region, each culture, as in real life, has it's own monetary system, there could be brokers who offer an exchange perhaps, but the value should fluctuate, and it could do so based on in game transactions. So if city X has more goods bought and sold in a week than city Y, city X's money goes up, Y's goes down. Oversimplification of economics, but hey, it's a game.

Now to keep it from getting too complicated, you could also have silver, gold, tin, bronze, coins or chunks drop from mobs, which could be sold to a culture for their coin.

Collbard · 5th July 2008, 16:52

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Originally Posted by Backstabber

Gold coins. Just go with gold coins, please! I hated dealing with all those different types of coins. It made making money a pain in the ass. You need this many coppers to make a silver. You need this many silver to earn a gold. Ugh, no more of that WoW crap.

UO had it right. Gold coins and nothing else.

I didn't mind UO's only gold coin system, but it turns into insane amounts of gold trading. I think the crowning point of the system was that it was incredibly easy to manage, but when you were trading in thousands of gold, even hundreds of gold pieces became useless.

But, I should point out, the copper,silver,gold system is not WoW crap. That kind of system has been used in several video games, as well as tabletop/pen and paper D&D type games. I actually don't mind either system. However you put a face on money in games, it is still the same system. It's like game shows where each question is worth 10 points and you play to 100; why not each question be worth 1 point and you play to 10? So either 100 copper will equal 1 gold to buy a hat, or 100 gold will buy a hat.

Lyllyth · 5th July 2008, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Collbard

I didn't mind UO's only gold coin system, but it turns into insane amounts of gold trading. I think the crowning point of the system was that it was incredibly easy to manage, but when you were trading in thousands of gold, even hundreds of gold pieces became useless.

But, I should point out, the copper,silver,gold system is not WoW crap. That kind of system has been used in several video games, as well as tabletop/pen and paper D&D type games. I actually don't mind either system. However you put a face on money in games, it is still the same system. It's like game shows where each question is worth 10 points and you play to 100; why not each question be worth 1 point and you play to 10? So either 100 copper will equal 1 gold to buy a hat, or 100 gold will buy a hat.

Good point, though I just prefer variance, even if it's as simple as different coin types.

11th April 2008, 19:47	#1 (permalink)
Sperg Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 163 Rep Power: 1	Monetary system Can we have a system that deals with gold only instead of copper, zinc bleh bleh bleh? __________________

11th April 2008, 20:14	#2 (permalink)
rKos Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 74 Rep Power: 0	Bring back the gold standard! If there's player lead cities/nations then there should be player created money. __________________ "Because here’s the thing – we don't give a shit about fairness here. We’re soldiers. Soldiers do not give the other guy a sporting chance. Soldiers shoot in the back, lay traps and ambushes, lie to the enemy and outnumber the other every chance they get. Your kind of murder only works among civilians. And you were too cocky, too stupid, too insane to realize that."

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Sperg Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 163 Rep Power: 1	It was just better when you only had to deal with gold __________________

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Sovereign Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 72 Rep Power: 1	No, The devs have clearly stated that paper money is the accepted currency only. __________________ Also known as Killuminati on Darkfall!

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Sperg Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 163 Rep Power: 1	Well I can appreciate that, and only in small bills I presume? __________________ Last edited by Sperg : 12th April 2008 at 20:19. Reason: Spelling error

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Aragoni Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Piteå, Sweden Age: 18 Posts: 435 Rep Power: 1	Nah.. I'd like to continue with the same old currency-system. __________________

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Bunkah Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 115 Rep Power: 1	there's gonna be a monthly fee of ~15 gold/month!!! __________________ - FAQ: This is the rules of Mortal Online's official forums. English is the only language prohibited.

12th April 2008, 02:19	#10 (permalink)
Tryst Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: State of Disarray Posts: 7 Rep Power: 0	I really love the idea of having a barter system. Hell of a way to eliminate those who would farm to sell for real cash. It also makes sense in an eviron that spans such distances and, presumably, cultures. What would be considered coin in one local may be worthless in another. A cache of fine arrows, however, is useful any place. __________________ "The thing I treasure most in life cannot be taken away. There will never be a reason why I will surrender to your advice to change myself, I'd rather die." ~ Disturbed

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Shrapnel Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Lund Age: 29 Posts: 23 Rep Power: 1	More or less any setup is fine with me as long as its not tied in to real money like Project Entropia and such.

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Reverend Mundane Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 46 Rep Power: 1	Heh, that bartering system sounds really interesting actually. Would force players to set up their own currencies. "Fine swords for sale! Only for five squirrel skins and two wolf fangs!" Would it be too hardcore for this game? I can't think of any MMO that didn't have fiat currency, issued and controlled by developers acting as central bankers. Are there any?

27th June 2008, 14:38	#17 (permalink)
Lyllyth Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: <-- That way --> Age: 33 Posts: 427 Rep Power: 1	I like the idea of different cultures having their own monetary systems, but I'm also a fan of coin in varying values. I recently read a book that had a monetary system that dealt in "Pieces", "Nobels" and "Crowns". So say, 10 Copper Pieces was equal to 1 Copper Nobel and so on. The "Crowns" were only used in the upper end of the chain of metals. So say that Platinum was your highest metal value, then Platinum would have the "Piece", "Nobel" and "Crown". Code: PC 1 PN 10 PP 100 GN 1,000 GP 10,000 SN 100,000 SP 1,000,000 CN 10,000,000 CP 100,000,000 Personally, I would enjoy a system like this. __________________ [Mats Persson], 'Things might sound cool and/or realistic on paper, but it's a completely different thing how they play out in the game.'

29th June 2008, 12:05	#21 (permalink)
Vanndal Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 161 Rep Power: 1	Money huh... lets not too complicated with this... The usual currency System of Platinum > Gold > Silver > Copper works for me. Creating player crafted currency sounds like a hassle for game designers, and probably not worth the hassle.

30th June 2008, 03:37	#22 (permalink)
Mukan Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Avondale, AZ Age: 19 Posts: 69 Rep Power: 1	Having a currency system that deals with copper/silver/gold whatever is tried and true. If you simply have 1 type, say Gold coins, it would get kind of ridiculous feeling. Someone would be selling wolf skins for 100000 gold and it would be just fine. Numbers that big seem silly to me, maybe it's just me though. As for a barter system, I don't see that really working too well. __________________ 10 years playing MMO games and I still get giddy about the good ones that are up and coming. (Yes I mean you MO!)

2nd July 2008, 13:13	#23 (permalink)
Mantra Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Age: 26 Posts: 12 Rep Power: 1	A currency based on gold/silver/copper makes most players feel right at home from the first minute. In my opinion it's important that all new players quickly can understand something as basic as the game currency and trade. I don't think a barter system is fully applicable in the online gaming world as long as the average player don't spend half their waken time in-game. In the real world barter usually replaces money as the method of exchange in times of monetary crisis, i.e. when the currency is instable. As long as gold farming is prevented by measures such as someone mentioned, the possibility to loot other players gold I don't see that happening in this game. I also think the common player would find it difficult to stay "up to date" with all fluctuations in value for each commodity. Let's face it, most players find it hard enough to keep up with market values as it is. The larger mass is required for a MMORPG to really evolve and prosper. Let's not make it too hard for them and scare them away. A good game is advanced, challenging and filled with limitless possibilities for its players. But the basic gameplay and trade must be as simple as possible for everyone to grasp instantly. A compromise on the subject with barter could be to set up a "Global Trade Exchange" (or several local Exchange Markets for each region) where players could swap their loot for either services or other goods without forcing a barter system on all players, even though it's cool.

2nd July 2008, 23:12	#24 (permalink)
Ruin Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 32 Rep Power: 1	Imo time should be spent developing crafting instead of going through the trouble to implement different currencies, but I do agree with putting the economy in player's hands a la EvE

5th July 2008, 10:07	#25 (permalink)
Backstabber Junior Member Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 85 Rep Power: 0	Gold coins. Just go with gold coins, please! I hated dealing with all those different types of coins. It made making money a pain in the ass. You need this many coppers to make a silver. You need this many silver to earn a gold. Ugh, no more of that WoW crap. UO had it right. Gold coins and nothing else.

5th July 2008, 14:40	#26 (permalink)
skeaser Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 75 Rep Power: 0	I'd like to see culture based currency. Each region, each culture, as in real life, has it's own monetary system, there could be brokers who offer an exchange perhaps, but the value should fluctuate, and it could do so based on in game transactions. So if city X has more goods bought and sold in a week than city Y, city X's money goes up, Y's goes down. Oversimplification of economics, but hey, it's a game. Now to keep it from getting too complicated, you could also have silver, gold, tin, bronze, coins or chunks drop from mobs, which could be sold to a culture for their coin.