Red Orchestra by 'Tripwire' ent.

[Sebren]

Most games around the time red orchestra was released in-fact had poor bullet projection. Most FPS had bullets go exactly where you pointed your crosshair.

Vehicles were mentioned 2 times? the second time just to say how awesome vehicle control is. 800m is quite a distance. But maps are alot bigger than 800m wide in RO now.

On the weapons bit, they are just mentioning the variety to choose from. You have to play the game to find out.

50+ was set because they planned to make room for more i guess.

Sound was a big thing in 2002 games.

Why waste time on animating lip movement in an FPS? People are just guna use chat programs like vent anyway so you can forget voice range too. It is known in RO though that when you use the voice command menu, you can only hear them if you are within range.
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RO2 does have some new and mostly up to date features in its game.

Please release soon!

[Taisenki]

Originally Posted by Sebren

Most games around the time red orchestra was released in-fact had poor bullet projection. Most FPS had bullets go exactly where you pointed your crosshair.

Vehicles were mentioned 2 times? the second time just to say how awesome vehicle control is. 800m is quite a distance. But maps are alot bigger than 800m wide in RO now.

On the weapons bit, they are just mentioning the variety to choose from. You have to play the game to find out.

50+ was set because they planned to make room for more i guess.

Sound was a big thing in 2002 games.

Why waste time on animating lip movement in an FPS? People are just guna use chat programs like vent anyway so you can forget voice range too. It is known in RO though that when you use the voice command menu, you can only hear them if you are within range.
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RO2 does have some new and mostly up to date features in its game.

Please release soon!

From my game experiances. Voice Over IP, if it works, is used ALOT. You arn't always playing with 100% of your clan mates.

Its also a cool feature. Why waste time? I can't imagine it takeing too long to impliment and it adds depth to the battefield. I like in MAG that you can hear the enemy team talk and the incapacitated soldiers within the area.

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Yes...Yes it is mentioning the weapons. Do the weapons really need mentioning considering its a game that is obviously going to have weapons? Is it worth mentioning that a game that involves weapons should have a variety of weapons? This goes without saying...

The game is not going to say "LIMITED WEAPONS TO SELECT FROM" and if It did...that obviously needs to be freaking rectified.

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the 50+ players thing makes sense...Though I am concerned about 800 meter squared battlefields with only 50 or even 64 players. That sounds more suited to 128 players.

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Not sure about the bullet projection thing but we are talking about Red Orchestra 2 here and not Red Orchestra 1 or Mario brothers. Simply saying "Realistic bullet projection" isn't enough. Because other games can say this and do not have it.

Wind? Does the bullet dip down over range? Bullet penetration? I think it'll just take the last 2. Which is good.

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It did mention vehicles too much. And "How awesome the vehicle control is" needs to be in a bit more depth too. I'm sure mass effect 1 could boast about how its vehicle sections were simply awesome. Facts, Not oppinions!

[Sebren]

bullet projections not including wind, but leading your targets and yes a little arc for the extremely long ranges. as shown in the vid, the stuff you can shoot through is dependant on the object, wall etc, you are shooting at.

yes, over 30 weapons featured into the game is worth mentioning. games like DoD have under 20 to choose from. This is just to advertise the variety of choice in arms.

I wouldnt be concerned about size of maps. Just in RO1 the maps range to over 4500m long. I can't say thats an accurate range on maps. But im just going from what i have experienced.

Other games can claim to have realistic bullet projections but they either do or they dont.

for crying out loud its a game feature list from 2002. You want details then you go read their forums.

enough said about that.

[Sebren]

wow found some ancient history here:

this is RO 3.0 official release state(probably around 2003-04): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZs8t...eature=related

and to go even further back here is RO 1.2 beta [end of 2002-03](sorry for the aweful music guys): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tF5R9HTuvOM

[Taisenki]

That was a feature list from 2002 for Red Orchestra 2? They've been working on it for 8 years?

[Sebren]

no sorry. i stand corrected. Beta didn't start until late 2002.

that was probably the feature list for 2003-04. Once the game was officially released.

[sankt]

cheers to RO:HOS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be9pR...eature=related

shame that it was pushed back to 2011 now but i guess that is the UE3 for ya.

stil cant wait.

[GeneralProffitt]

Graphics look amazing, I just hope they keep with the realistic gameplay. I'm so sick of COD and battlefield Im going to puke.

[Corwen]

Originally Posted by sankt

cheers to RO:HOS!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Be9pR...eature=related

shame that it was pushed back to 2011 now but i guess that is the UE3 for ya.

stil cant wait.

Originally Posted by Sebren

no sorry. i stand corrected. Beta didn't start until late 2002.

that was probably the feature list for 2003-04. Once the game was officially released.

Your avatars are strikingly similar

[Chirrel]

For a blind person.

[Taisenki]

lol. bah. 2011? Lame. Theres no good new shooters out that are multiplayer =(

[Chirrel]

Yes there is *giggle*

[GeneralProffitt]

Originally Posted by Taisenki

lol. bah. 2011? Lame. Theres no good new shooters out that are multiplayer =(

Arrowhead, maybe.

[Taisenki]

I know ArmA 2 and Arrowhead are really good shooters, the whole design of the game is amazing.

But the community....big let down. People who think they can lead squads. People who think they are really good at communications, tactics, strategies.

Yes, You are amazing. Well done to your 50 player clan for defeating 10 towns each with 10 people inside. Well done for defeating them with your 2 apache helicopters and 2 A10 bombers. Well done for having Respawn on.

So much PRETENDING to be military with them. Watch your fire sectors, but nothing will ever actually approach you because the maps made by the mission editor will only spawn/place enemies inside and barely around the objective. No patrols elsewhere. No look outs. No counter attacks. No surprises. no reason to be alert other than when you reach the objective

Poor...mission...editing.

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I mean, Just look

http://arma2.swec.se/server/list

No matter what time you click on that. Will always be evolution, domination or warfare up there. Traditional co-ops are just out of the window. After all, you can fail traditional co-ops. God forbid that your actually not that good and die!

[GeneralProffitt]

Originally Posted by Taisenki

ARMA is full of IDIOTS!

Solution: http://www.tacticalgamer.com/arma-2-general-discussion/

Trust me, since I started playing on their server it changed the way I play ArmA. General carver and the rest of their mission makers have some of the best missions I have ever played in a video game. ( His fallout mission is epic.)

[sankt]

yes my avatar is the same as Sebren because Sebren is me!!! i just made a new account because 'sankt' suits me and my main character a little better. pretty sharp eyes there Corwen, for someone who can match a man's face with the ass!! Lol. Im jerkin around. Jokes klask.

yes RO2 will be good but they gota put tanks in. so far not even a hint towards tanks being in the game. which really sucks because that is what red orchestra is known for, realistic tank/vehicle simulations.

[Reinholt]

Originally Posted by sankt

yes my avatar is the same as Sebren because Sebren is me!!! i just made a new account because 'sankt' suits me and my main character a little better. pretty sharp eyes there Corwen, for someone who can match a man's face with the ass!! Lol. Im jerkin around. Jokes klask.

yes RO2 will be good but they gota put tanks in. so far not even a hint towards tanks being in the game. which really sucks because that is what red orchestra is known for, realistic tank/vehicle simulations.

I bet they´ll have tanks again.

[Taisenki]

Even Tactical Gamer seems the same.

The video they have put up on their main website is a perfect example of pretend military.

How is it that they are able to land so easily at the objective? I understand on SOME missions this would be acceptable but this kind of stuff happens all the time in the missions I've played with clans. The only danger is very close to the objective. Even then, Theres very little. And your waltzing in there with 50 people? The challenge...none existant.

Omega event >_> respawn!

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PS - Something was put in the game that was the medic system. You can drag and carry soldiers. Why is it that even the games that try to be realistic don't use this system? Because it worked fine when me and my friend played my mission. Well...I say fine. I tried to heal his wound with an AI and he died but thats working as intended. not everyone can survive =)

[Reinholt]

Originally Posted by Taisenki

Even Tactical Gamer seems the same.

The video they have put up on their main website is a perfect example of pretend military.

How is it that they are able to land so easily at the objective? I understand on SOME missions this would be acceptable but this kind of stuff happens all the time in the missions I've played with clans. The only danger is very close to the objective. Even then, Theres very little. And your waltzing in there with 50 people? The challenge...none existant.

I think what you´re actually looking for is decent scenarios. There should be enough variables in the game to design missions so that sometimes you might get suddenly ambushed, or meet an enemy patrol along the way, and sometimes you dont. At least i made missions like that in Flashpoint. I cant speak for Arma 2 as i dont have the game.

[Taisenki]

Yes, Decent scenarios that people play online. In ArmA 2...People don't. (Its boring to play alone)

I was in love with OFP and I played with a large squad. I've made my own missions and I've made my own mission in ArmA 2 which I tried with a clan.

The clan LAUGHABLY all got slaughtered and get no where near to the objective. They tried it three times. They tried to out smart me by doing "all the way" around to the rear objective but ofcourse. I fudging thought of that. I had placed a group of soldiers which "If US detected" then a group of soldiers would move into position to flank them

owned. Lets see all that hard training you did pay off now that your up against a map which doesn't give you the ability to freaking LGB everything before hand. Or where the enemies arn't just located in the objective.

[Aethaeryn]

Originally Posted by Taisenki

Yup. Should of...

Its nice how they are implimenting such features and its still not a 'realistic' game. This game looks like how call of duty should of progressed.

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50+ players? Can we get an actual figure or is it 50 players max? or 64 players max? =p lol.

Neg rep me. . it is okay but I have to point this out because my wife does it and it drives me nuts.

I think a few posters above mean "should have" rather than "should of". The oral contraction should've (being should and have combined ) has somehow become written as "should of" by many people. .it used to be young kids and people who are not native English speakers.. I see students writing this all the time now. . so maybe I just have to let it go as a teacher but . . I CAN'T!!!! Someone help me please! *deep breath*. . okay. . its fine, I should of let it go. . .since I can't spell anyway.. . or anyways. . ?

[Taisenki]

You care about language so you'll be angry at that =)

I care about games. So when games like call of duty come out which are crap, I get angry =)

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To me, Language is just a form of communication. If you have difficulty understand errors then the problem may be on your end =p ( see what I did there? )

If you didn't understand that above line then obviously every sentence needs to be perfect in order to convey the correct message!

[Aethaeryn]

Originally Posted by Taisenki

You care about language so you'll be angry at that =)

I care about games. So when games like call of duty come out which are crap, I get angry =)

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To me, Language is just a form of communication. If you have difficulty understand errors then the problem may be on your end =p ( see what I did there? )

If you didn't understand that above line then obviously every sentence needs to be perfect in order to convey the correct message!

Oh no. . I get it. I get mad that we try to keep language from evolving actually. In the case I pointed out it is just the wrong work. For example.

An eke nom (a second name)(from old english) got changed.
A Neke nom
a nikenom
a nickname

I am okay with that.

Back on topic for me!

The game sounds incredible. I actually went back and installed some old tank game to play. . it is 10 years old. The game sounds just realistic and fun enough that it might be a must buy for me. Too bad I had not heard of it until now.

[GeneralProffitt]

Originally Posted by Taisenki

Yes, Decent scenarios that people play online. In ArmA 2...People don't. (Its boring to play alone)

I was in love with OFP and I played with a large squad. I've made my own missions and I've made my own mission in ArmA 2 which I tried with a clan.

The clan LAUGHABLY all got slaughtered and get no where near to the objective. They tried it three times. They tried to out smart me by doing "all the way" around to the rear objective but ofcourse. I fudging thought of that. I had placed a group of soldiers which "If US detected" then a group of soldiers would move into position to flank them

owned. Lets see all that hard training you did pay off now that your up against a map which doesn't give you the ability to freaking LGB everything before hand. Or where the enemies arn't just located in the objective.

Tactical gamer has probably some of the most realistic mission that a public player can play in ArmA 2. Usually you have to play when the server is populated for them though. Some casual missions may be small and have respawns when their aren't a lot of people on. But they have huge combined arms and Platoon sized battles where their is respawning and all the realistic elements of ACE mod are enabled. I suggest you try to play on their server around the weekend and during the week, I would play in the evening as that is when you will see the most people.


Though if you want to play missions that are hardcore military stuff, the only other viable option in ArmA would be to join a realism unit that does that stuff.

[Taisenki]

I'm after a challenge more than realism. The whole point of realism is that you perform as best you can so you take no casulties and are super effective (like pokemon)

But realism squads simply don't challenge themself or make a good fun mission.

I really dislike ACE. I know it has some good things but the original ArmA 2 is good on its own! The medic thing removes the lovely medic system already in place. It tries to add brains into it by taking animations out of it. duuuurr! I suppose they could make super realistic tanks by removing the tank track animations too!

Lets not mistake realism for challenging and fun. You can play realistically whilst challenging yourself.

Or are these mission designers going?

"These soldiers wouldn't have any Anti Air...So lets give ourself bombers"

CHALLENGING! (thats just one scenario. lol - plenty more)

-PS , I've been convinced to try soooooooooooooooooooooo many clans that claim to be realistic and have challenging maps and great leadership and soldiers. I've spent more time waiting for leaders to decide what to do than getting into the battle. Yes, whilst this may be realistic that it takes 40 minutes to make a decision I can't say the "Climatic" point of the battle is worth it.

But I know its still possible. The game is exactly like OFP where I experianced so much goodness. When I was playing the mission I created there was a lot of heated moments (where my clan mates were getting slaughtered because of their amazing leadership skills)

[Reinholt]

Hasty decisions lead to early grave.

[Taisenki]

when 10 people are crying at you that they are all super awesomely realistic and amazing, when you've tried 9 you tend to predict the 10th is also lame =)

[Hodo]

I love RO, its alot of fun, I just wish it were.... bigger.

If only WWIIOL was like RO it would have been a WIN! Instead of a eh?

[Skandranan]

How the hell have I not heard of this game? I just read the feature list and watched the (now fairly old, I guess) game play video with commentary by a dev and it sounds great.

[GeneralProffitt]

Originally Posted by sankt

yes RO2 will be good but they gota put tanks in. so far not even a hint towards tanks being in the game. which really sucks because that is what red orchestra is known for, realistic tank/vehicle simulations.

I seen a video with tanks in it for RO2.

[deathshroud]

can u link the video with tanks in?

[GeneralProffitt]

[GeneralProffitt]

Pretty big picture, but I didnt want to find the video so I found an awesome picture with a panzer III.