To hype or not to hype..?

[Lachrymose]

this isn't a thread whining for the MO devs to create more hype, like so many we've already seen. as most of you probably know, MO has been listed on mmorpg.com, so now the power is in OUR hands as to whether or not the game receives hype.. at least on that website, which likely gets a good deal of attention. recently MO has been listed at the bottom of the "most hyped" games on the front page, while DF is #1 (probably heavily due to a hype campaign started by forumfallers).

the question is... does MO need hype right now? we've got some screenshots and the teaser which is months old, but is that enough? mmorpg.com is known for having an unusually large vapor troll population, and if they see MO getting attention, it could lead to vaporware chants and vapor threads on our own forums.. but honestly, does that even matter? all the trolls that called DF vapor likely signed up for beta the day signups started anyway. the other problem is that if MO gets too much hype, vapor trolls and fanbois of other games may resort to de-hyping MO.. and ofc there are many more of them than there are us.

so, should we hype MO on mmorpg.com? would it be better to wait or perhaps not do it at all? or would it be best to just let the devs worry about hyping it themselves, when they spend almost all their time working on MO as it is?

vote and also give your reasons for voting the way you did.

poll incoming..

[Joszek]

Oh dude, couldn't you just wait with this topic ?
I was going to start it during CB tests.
I wanted to start a petition to all mofo users, that we all underype the game with 0/1.
And when OB is ffa, we hype it with 10, and it becomes the first game coming out hyped over 9 on mmorpg.com

Whatcha think about my proposal ?

ps: the last step only if MO will be really worth it :P

[rick]

i think we should start doing it on the 22nd after (if) DF releases.

[Joszek]

Released games are taken down from development poll window.

Definitely underhype it as fast as possible.
Look at opinions about DFo. It it becomes a fail, expect all those whiners to come here.

Can you imagine their xxxK community rushing to this forum ?
Forumfallers already know about MO, and they say it loud they will come here (prodigal sons).

[SkirmCard]

I agree that we as a community lay low for now. I would like to suggest we make a planned all out blitz at some point later in the development. Whether that's after the closed beta starts and we have some gameplay footage, or after just one of the before mentioned starts.

If I had no clue about MO, then all of a sudden I hear about a game like this that's already in a beta (even though it's "closed") and has gameplay footage I'd probably freakout and do everything I could to learn all there is to know about it. We could probably get a huge tidal wave of support for MO and hopefully we could ride it till release before the wave crests.

I fear if we try a blitz anytime before that, support will start to fail and only the fanbois and vapor trolls will be left, and then mofo will become the dark abyssmal place that forumfall is.

[Balkin]

I voted yes... only becuase so far the response for MO over there has been pretty good. Once DF releases I can imagine MO will climb fast!

[Joszek]

Originally Posted by Balkin

I voted yes... only becuase so far the response for MO over there has been pretty good. Once DF releases I can imagine MO will climb fast!

U mean the response on mmorpg.com forums ?
You don't want to know how many hate related topics & replies, vaporizing MO, and other trolls I have reported.
I just couldn't believe mmorpg.com moderators really do their job.

Every time MO showed up in hype window, at least 2-3 hate replies coming from trolls showed on their forum.

It's better if MO stays deeply digged until it goes into CB or even OB, which would be better.
If we hype this game on OB, I bet every troll showing up, will swallow his own ass, or he's going to be PKed through tcpip with MO game trailers, screens, and at the end, devs will impale the nail to coffin. Matts/Denny (?) already did this once.

[Balkin]

Originally Posted by Joszek

U mean the response on mmorpg.com forums ?
You don't want to know how many hate related topics & replies, vaporizing MO, and other trolls I have reported.
I just couldn't believe mmorpg.com moderators really do their job.

Every time MO showed up in hype window, at least 2-3 hate replies coming from trolls showed on their forum.

It's better if MO stays deeply digged until it goes into CB or even OB, which would be better.
If we hype this game on OB, I bet every troll showing up, will swallow his own ass, or he's going to be PKed through tcpip with MO game trailers, screens, and at the end, devs will impale the nail to coffin. Matts/Denny (?) already did this once.

Aww.... So thats why it seems so good... I know that web site can get pretty bad...

I'm all for keeping it on the down low...

[kelthazan]

Lay low and quiet then when we're ready, pounce and take them all down.

[Eonwe]

I've been hyping MO as best as I can. If Savage Alliance comes to MO though, I'll be sure to ask why the admin of the Raven Rose Pack/Knights of the Silver Moon AoC server booted ME because someone was trolling me for bringing up Mortal. I'll be glad if they join, but it still doesn't speak well for Savage Alliance in my eyes anymore.

I could understand if I was making fun of Darkfall, but I was just trying to say "Oh hey, I'm waiting for Mortal its kind of similar to Darkfall." Sorry, just had to rant and get that off my chest.

*Edit*

Oh, I just realized its for MMORPG.com.

Nah, I'm not big on their community really.

[Bevo]

You a blow job from LightsabeR couldn't get me to goto that website. That site is a disaster.

[Metal]

I say to no hype at all. "What is good, doesnt need a hype".

[Elfvis]

I had to say no, but I am being selfish. I want to keep the community as we have it, and not open the flood gates so to speak.

But I think it would be a positive thing overall for us to hype it.

[Joszek]

Hype times will come, when there will be enough materials to shout troll's mouth with.

We still have many themepark game incomers, and convince them to sandbox game. But when tons of them come at once, because it's on the 1st place on the list ... may gods be with us.

[Cylox]

i would wait till open beta imo. because nearly every game which got hyped ended as a frustration for the gamer cause the expactations were too high. and i think the hype should come along on its "own". its better to hear from friends about this game that makes it maybe more exciting cause its an insider tip etc.

[Nazumor]

Hype is a great tool to get potential players to join, but it is also a sure way to get the negative populations attention I.E. trolls to come out from under their bridges to spew bile all over the forum.

I say no to hype, only because I love the community that is here, it's refreshing.
Maybe when there's an OB we (as a community) may fire up the hype-o-meter.

[Saviour]

Originally Posted by Joszek

Oh dude, couldn't you just wait with this topic ?
I was going to start it during CB tests.
I wanted to start a petition to all mofo users, that we all underype the game with 0/1.
And when OB is ffa, we hype it with 10, and it becomes the first game coming out hyped over 9 on mmorpg.com

Whatcha think about my proposal ?

ps: the last step only if MO will be really worth it :P

thats a great idea mate 1+

edit: Sorry I necroed this thread D:, didn't realise it :x

[Joszek]

necroed ? This topic is still active, as 2/3 topics on this forum. But as we have seen it's easier to start a new thread, than continue old ones, cause reading our first wall of texts is too much for some type of casually interested people.

We got day by day new incomers hyping the game around, because their beloved titles seemed not to be so good, as they wanted. It is even being shown by repeating over, and over the same questions.

People see: "yay, a new game ... omg I love teaser and sshots."
(Why do you think Henrik put watermarks, and some texts on those alpha sshots?).

So they hype with 8-10, come to mofo, and start to ask questions.
Yes, they are very creative, when it goes to asking things, which were answered almost year ago. After realising that they won't get WoW2, and maybe go beyond that, and see wtf means "niche sandbox game", they will start to hate_hype it.

I can put my balls in a bet, that all ppl on mofo, who registered before end of 2008, know what games I have on my mind.

[Vice]

I would have to say no, mainly because of one thing, and that's kids, or noobs whichever you may consider worse.

This game is strictly targeted towards more mature players, mainly due to the requirements of having a decent rig to play and the quality of skill required to play it, also, the fact that is also p2p.

The community that follows MO has already shown itself to be much more mature about their game, if you don't believe me take a look at some videos on youtube of MO and see how many DarkFall no-lifers talk trash about the game in the comments.

This is the type of game that does not require hype, only word of mouth and a few players telling their friends about the game. Also, ironically, the DF communities constant bashing of this game actually provides all the hype the game requires, meaning their doing more harm than good as they will continuously loose more and more possible players to MO.

Anotherthing, because of the skill requirements needed to play this game compared to DF, (believe me i saw videos and wasn't impressed, all pvp came down to was having enough stamina to run away so u could chug more potions down, making it a very dull hit 'n run tactic based pvp system, also it had 3rd person, which caters to players too stupid to realized their being attacked, leaving out immersion) more and more unskilled players will leave the game after the 1st hour of playing, leaving a higher grade of players playing MO and a much more refined and professional community.

Don't get me wrong i started watching what DF was like before i even heard of MO, and i was just awe struck by MO in comparison.

[Shargas]

I never understood the hype-bussiness. In my opinion its something counterproductive although probably that's because the devs could never keep their word when it came to release dates and promised content.

Imho, let the game run its natural course and wait until we are close to the release to start the hype machine (which at that moment will be a lot easier).

We shouldn't even worry about this, because if the devs accomplish their goals, this game is going to sell itself.

[Herithius]

No harm to hyping the game now if someone chooses. Granted some people refrain as an explosion in community members would lead to a lot of trolls/whiners/etc entering the forums but that is an inevitably.

Personally, I'd refrain from overly hyping this game to my friends until there are more screenshots and/or videos of the game itself. 5 screenshots and 1 video isn't a heck of a lot yet to showcase an mmo on. Although I'm sure that will change in the near future.

[mrmr]

i'm for keeping the community as little as possible.
Once the game is out it'll explode on its own, without the need to hype it

[Nehemia]

Don't drag MO to the "Vaporware" screaming zone, stay away from mmorpg.com

Hell, just look what happened to Darkfall when the AoC fanboys slaughtered the game's image.

[Resin]

I would say, tell your friends, tell your guild...but don't bother screaming about it all over large site boards.

[Nehemia]

Originally Posted by Resin

I would say, tell your friends, tell your guild...but don't bother screaming about it all over large site boards.

Thats it, I'm sure the word will spread.

[Synod]

On one hand, a game should generate hype just by existing - it shouldn't have to be advertised by its community (though of course it can be by the developers), but then again, you should tell your friends about it and stuff like that. The more the merrier, to an extent.

[Bumbaclad]

You guys(meaning the fanboys i guess and not specific meaning the fanboys of this community although some from this community fit the picture i'm drawing) complain alot about trolls. "Trolls" i guess are people who search(troll) to different fourms expressing there opinions... Yah damn these people that don't have the same idea as me, how dare they come to my fourm through my series of tubes. Understandable if there mean spirited and hateful but fanboys are the mean spirited hateful people leaving hateful comments alot of the time. This is what i've noticed. With comments like Carebear or zong you WoWer. These people have a hate for the new mmorpg market which is understandable, these new mmorpgs suck. Sometimes you all need to look in the mirror and see you are the ones pushing your ideals to far. When people can not express there opinion its called communism or facism.
Anyway i'm sure this game will eventually get plenty of hype but i just hope they do not strictly listen to just people who played UO faithfully everyday and mock and ban others. Alot of those people are playing WoW right now which i could never still be playing, i know some of them. They may mock the mainstream while in secret riding it themselves. They are like politicans. Please listen to everyone who has a good idea. You can not stick to all the old ways not to say the new ones are any better. I read an argument about full loot earlyer today. People said how it was only realistic to allow full loot but then somone said it was unrealistic to allow poeple to carry everyones gear then, if i'm wearing a suit of full plate how would i possibly loot another? It made a very good point but now the same people say to him that there is a line where realism meets fun and wants to loot 10x what he wears. Hypocrit. Only when it challenges his beliefs does the argument of realism over fun count.

[Nerathas]

Voted for no.
Personally i dont think a hype is a bad thing, but in most cases its random speculating, and alot of trolling and other rubbish along with it.

If a product is really good it does not need a overwhelming commercial or hype , it will come eventually.

I would love to see a huge "hype" but not before the game is in open beta or something alike those lines.

[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by Bumbaclad

You guys(meaning the fanboys i guess and not specific meaning the fanboys of this community although some from this community fit the picture i'm drawing) complain alot about trolls. "Trolls" i guess are people who search(troll) to different fourms expressing there opinions...

i don't think you quite understand what trolls are then. they say things almost purely out of spite or at the very least just because they want to get a rise out of people. saying you don't think there's enough info to prove that a game will come out is one thing.. saying that a game will never come out without offering any reasoning is trolling, and it happens pretty often.. we don't want that here.

if someone thinks a game is never going to come out, then they don't really have any reason to come over to that game's forums just to say "your game is never coming out!" there isn't any point to such a comment other than to cause unrest within the community. it would be along similar lines of going to a religious based forum and saying "your god/religion doesn't exist!" (obviously not on quite the same level, but hopefully you catch my drift).

also, i'm not sure why you bring up WoW players, but since you've mentioned it i'll point out that the problem isn't with WoW players, but if they try to say that the mechanics of the game are "flawed" or need fixing, then yes i'd say there's a problem since they've clearly missed the purpose of MO. the whole point of this game is to create something different from the current MMOs out there, and it is aimed at a niche audience (which happens to be sandbox gamers, not WoW crazed gamers). now, of course WoW players can try it out, and i hope they come to realize that sandbox games have a lot more potential than theme park games, but if they don't.. they shouldn't argue in favor of changing a sandbox game to make it suit their theme park preferences. arguing against full loot is arguing against sandbox gameplay, and simply put... if you aren't interested in sandbox gameplay, then you should probably stay away from this game entirely since it's a sandbox game.

similarly, players who want a more player friendly game (aptly labeled "carebears") that sacrifices sandbox gameplay in favor of convenience and restrictive features that will "protect" players are probably following the wrong game as well since sandbox gameplay implies more freedom and less restrictions, which ultimately means it won't be as convenient and there won't be built in restrictions to protect you. they are certainly welcome to play, but they will probably find that this isn't the game for them. it'd be like if i went into a survival horror game's forum and say "this game is way too scary! i think the creatures should look a little more friendly and there should be much less violence!" sure, i'm just stating my opinion... but wtf am i doing in a survival horror game forum if i don't like scary games in the first place?

[TNM]

Originally Posted by Lachrymose

i don't think you quite understand what trolls are then. they say things almost purely out of spite or at the very least just because they want to get a rise out of people. saying you don't think there's enough info to prove that a game will come out is one thing.. saying that a game will never come out without offering any reasoning is trolling, and it happens pretty often.. we don't want that here.

if someone thinks a game is never going to come out, then they don't really have any reason to come over to that game's forums just to say "your game is never coming out!" there isn't any point to such a comment other than to cause unrest within the community. it would be along similar lines of going to a religious based forum and saying "your god/religion doesn't exist!" (obviously not on quite the same level, but hopefully you catch my drift).

also, i'm not sure why you bring up WoW players, but since you've mentioned it i'll point out that the problem isn't with WoW players, but if they try to say that the mechanics of the game are "flawed" or need fixing, then yes i'd say there's a problem since they've clearly missed the purpose of MO. the whole point of this game is to create something different from the current MMOs out there, and it is aimed at a niche audience (which happens to be sandbox gamers, not WoW crazed gamers). now, of course WoW players can try it out, and i hope they come to realize that sandbox games have a lot more potential than theme park games, but if they don't.. they shouldn't argue in favor of changing a sandbox game to make it suit their theme park preferences. arguing against full loot is arguing against sandbox gameplay, and simply put... if you aren't interested in sandbox gameplay, then you should probably stay away from this game entirely since it's a sandbox game.

similarly, players who want a more player friendly game (aptly labeled "carebears") that sacrifices sandbox gameplay in favor of convenience and restrictive features that will "protect" players are probably following the wrong game as well since sandbox gameplay implies more freedom and less restrictions, which ultimately means it won't be as convenient and there won't be built in restrictions to protect you. they are certainly welcome to play, but they will probably find that this isn't the game for them. it'd be like if i went into a survival horror game's forum and say "this game is way too scary! i think the creatures should look a little more friendly and there should be much less violence!" sure, i'm just stating my opinion... but wtf am i doing in a survival horror game forum if i don't like scary games in the first place?

Vote "no". There is not enough information, there will be changes, even big changes after "alpha"-phase.
Wait till they are ready for beta at least.

[Necromantic]

Originally Posted by TNM

Vote "no". There is not enough information, there will be changes, even big changes after "alpha"-phase.
Wait till they are ready for beta at least.

Since they are already in beta stage I guess we are good to go.

Even though I say "no" as well.
We actually were most hyped on mmorpg.com already in the past.

Artificial popularity in a way like that is bad anyways.

[TNM]

they are in beta? well then i hope more info is comming soon, but atm i dont see enough to justify a big hype, so we agree it seems.

[Rel Por]

No thanks

I'd rather not deal with a horde of mindless gremlins for another 6 months. Lay low.

However realize that everytime MO is mentioned as an alternative to Darkfall, another brain-dead dipshit is creating a forum account. I'm impressed with the level of maturity on these boards. I hope to god it lasts and doesn't become the numbing experience that is forumfall.

[Calcifer]

i voted yes cause i think it can help the community grow up, but i don't want carebears here

[Virezon]

Hyped games are just targets.

People want them to fail because then their world falls into ballance due to the fact that they're unhappy and they want everyone to share in the melancholy.

Let MO grow and mature on its own and people will respect it more.

[Xanathar]

Originally Posted by Virezon

Hyped games are just targets.

People want them to fail because then their world falls into ballance due to the fact that they're unhappy and they want everyone to share in the melancholy.

Let MO grow and mature on its own and people will respect it more.

I voted no. Much for the same reason.

[chocoloped]

I voted no. I think it's good for a game to have a slow start. That way everyone that's on the forums now we'll be able to own everyone that buys the game when they realize how good of a game it is.

[Joszek]

You vote "no", but still MO goes higher on top7 anticipated mmos list.

n/c

edit: it's pn 2nd place O__o
Well....I won't wonder anymore, when another requirement/full loot/tpv/I got great idea, which for sure hasn't been discussed/i demand something etc threads.

[escudodeteixo]

Originally Posted by Virezon

Hyped games are just targets.

People want them to fail because then their world falls into ballance due to the fact that they're unhappy and they want everyone to share in the melancholy.

Let MO grow and mature on its own and people will respect it more.

Quoting this saves me the trouble to write anything else.

[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by Joszek

edit: it's pn 2nd place O__o
Well....I won't wonder anymore, when another requirement/full loot/tpv/I got great idea, which for sure hasn't been discussed/i demand something etc threads.

wow, wtf?? how the hell did that happen? you know, i bet a lot of forumfallers who originally dehyped MO to try to push DF up changed their minds and ended up hyping MO.