Political Update

[Mekon]

When you guys pushed us back to the dungeon, I stayed up top and died to NZ? and Vomir?

We had orders that we were making our last stand, had the way blocked. We were ordered to fight to the last man. Server crashed, I logged in first, saw 15 guys in the room and another 8 up top - pulled the plug. We were there, ready, willing, and able to fight to the death. Was no way we were going to pull an AI, we have honor!

I was having a BLAST (up until I died, anyway) and look forward to PvPing you guys when we are all similarly equiped.

I was doing 4-7 damage to the steel armor guy with my incisium 2h and was receiving 20+ from your steel weaps, so we were pretty pumped about how long we held you back, especially when you consider the disparity in equipment (yes, we have steel weaps and etc. just didn't have in with us on this particular foray). It is nice to see that the steel armor isn't as gimped as it was in CB/OB.

Good times, but I still say the server won!

[Stink Fist]

Originally Posted by Chubbyjesus

You have to be retarded to think your bullshit will fly. We battled for close to 20 minutes before the server CRASHED.

Im stupid enough to think you will nicely back off and let us log in, then fight honorably. LOL. Dont blow smoke up my ass, even if I enjoy the breeze.

Might have seemed like 20 minutes but I doubt it was even half that, though if we hadn't rushed in early to prevent you guys from entering the laggy ass dungeon that would surely crash our node (like it did) and actually gathered our numbers it wouldn't have lasted a fraction of that.

We had 17, 3 of which were escorting the master looter. So 14 available to battle. You had 11 at first and we ARENT STUPID BRAH.. We knew the other 10+ would be there shortly.. Followed by more and more waves.

Deny it if you want, doesnt mean anybody is going to believe you.

That being said the numbers werent that bad, you just picked the wrong guy to play the "I swear we had the same amount" game with. Especially since there were ENDLESS reinforcements coming for you. Each wave we beat back, there was fresh names pushing our line. You got 3 people down, we got the loot out, and then the server crashed.

GG. Until next time.

If you want to talk specific numbers we had 9 at the beginning of the fight and when your ghost scout counted us out he counted 15. So 15vs17?

Originally Posted by Mekon

When you guys pushed us back to the dungeon, I stayed up top and died to NZ? and Vomir?

We had orders that we were making our last stand, had the way blocked. We were ordered to fight to the last man. Server crashed, I logged in first, saw 15 guys in the room and another 8 up top - pulled the plug. We were there, ready, willing, and able to fight to the death. Was no way we were going to pull an AI, we have honor!

I was having a BLAST (up until I died, anyway) and look forward to PvPing you guys when we are all similarly equiped.

I was doing 4-7 damage to the steel armor guy with my incisium 2h and was receiving 20+ from your steel weaps, so we were pretty pumped about how long we held you back, especially when you consider the disparity in equipment (yes, we have steel weaps and etc. just didn't have in with us on this particular foray). It is nice to see that the steel armor isn't as gimped as it was in CB/OB.

Good times, but I still say the server won!

Good fight but I have to clarify, we were wearing iron bone armor and using incisium/nyx weapons. Not sure how steel armor fairs now in release though cause I haven't seen anyone wear any yet.

And yeah, the server always takes a crap when people are fighting in/near the Rysar dungeon, it's done that the last 4 times we've fought there and something tells me it's not done yet.

[Bevo]

-------6/21--------

Recently there has been a buildup of hostilities between Prom vs. AI. While it has not broken out into an outright war yet, the possibility and likelihood of that happening has come extremely close on more than one occasion. Prom and AI's relationship has been slowly deteriorating since even before the drama that came about with the organization of the Crusade against Myrmidon. While on one side there was concern the Crusade would put prior agreements in danger the other side was upset that they just wouldn't hear them out on what the Crusade really was, a public agreement by various guilds to KOS Myrmidon. Outside of these two points of contention there was a lot of trolling, flaming, and such that left a very bitter taste on both sides causing relations to deteriorate far below they had been.

Following this there was some drama over who in AI actually possess the authority to arrange agreements between AI and outside parties. This concern on whether or not Shinzon held the authority to sign a NAP between AI and Prom ended up in that NAP’s dissolution.

The most recent event that was very nearly the flint to the powder keg being a fuck-up on a massive scale all over imaginary houses. There is a large amount of speculation on how this exactly happened, but somehow AI came under the impression that Prom had built houses on Combat Beta Island. For the most part it is understood by everyone where each guild intends to build their keeps, and all of the guilds have recognized this and there have been no problems so far. AI sources say that the mistake was by a recruit within AI. Others on the other side of the affair are claiming that AI 'created' this mistake in order to initiate a war, and alienate Amon and others from Prom. Either way AI contacted Amon who had already stated that anyone other than AI building on that spot would be seen as a hostile action to both Amon and AI. Quickly other guild were notified about the likely war, and there was a last minute meeting called by a neutral party. AI sent an officer to verify this rumor of houses prior to the meeting held by Prophecy. So AI went into the meeting knowing that there were no houses so war was not really on the table for this meeting. The purpose of the meeting being that if "Relations are so poor, we will go to war over a rumor, does this need fixing up?" In the end nothing came out of the meeting in the way to fix relations, while at the same time war didn't break out.

A large part of the political maneuvering that is leading up to the likely war to come seems to be based on guilds like Amon. Neither side wants to be the one to start the war. Fear that starting the war will cost allies.

When I asked Shinzon today about the possible hostilities between AI and CIR he had this to say...

Originally Posted by Shinzon

Understand that while our relations are poor; we are not willing to go to war with CIR unless they make a provocation move. So long as they behave, they can try and shit sling, and beat their chest as much as they want, we will not mind that much. So the ball is in CIR's court, it's really up to them whether they want to peacefully settle this or push this into a war.

I have the feeling that CIR and Prom feel the same way. So the political maneuvering and provocations will continue until one party feel they can justify to their allies a war.

Update has been edited, for the documentation of the edits please see THIS POST.

[Sun-Tzu]

The only agreement Amon have is that with Aegis. We have no agreement with CIR, but I have given them a friendly offer to assist them if they need it. I like and respect some of the players in CIR and helping them would save us the time spent looking for a good fight. As our recruitment post say the agreement with AI will go before any friendly ties made by Amon. In case of a war between Aegis and CIR we will obviously honour our agreement and assist Aegis if they call for our support.

And we dont consider our position to be bad at all. Whatever happens Im sure there will be some good fights. Even if we had no connections with either Aegis or CIR we would have found our way to that battlefield. And if no armed conflict break out between Aegis and CIR Im sure our good relations with them will give us other fights in the future.

[Insanity]

We are neutral to CIR, along with afew other guilds. Everyone else is either KOS or leave-be unless attacked. And yes we offered CIR our assistance if needed as alot of Amon are ex-CIR. But if you had bothered to read our recruitment thread ; "We have a permanent contract with Aegis that requires us to provide military support whenever they need it. When providing that assistance all friendly ties formed by Amon or its members will be secondary to the objectives at hand. In return we get the support of Aegis in terms of forum and mumble."

I left CIR because i began to dislike people within the guild and the direction the guild was taking, i always preferred the smaller scale combat and with CIR turning into a full blown Empire guild that will most likely end up with more allies than enemies. So i (myself not Amon) would have no qualms with going to war with CIR, or anyone else for that matter. The more targets the better

As for all the shit flinging both guilds are partaking in, it's getting rather tedious. And both guilds say exactly the same about each other and certain members on comms, it's really pathetic :P

I can honestly see neither party going to war with one another until they feel they can end it in a short amount of time, without keeps, houses or a guild war system implemented there is no real way to de-moralise empire guilds. Both parties will chest beat and try manipulating those around them over the smallest issue (house spot from Aegis, hax sploit rubys from CIR).

Your time would be better spent posting on all the recent GK activity between LB and Myrm and other fights around nave, because the CIR vs AI novel is going to be a very long and boring one with nothing actually happening.

[Lachrymose]

Originally Posted by Chubbyjesus

We had 17, 3 of which were escorting the master looter. So 14 available to battle. You had 11 at first and we ARENT STUPID BRAH.. We knew the other 10+ would be there shortly.. Followed by more and more waves.

Deny it if you want, doesnt mean anybody is going to believe you.

That being said the numbers werent that bad, you just picked the wrong guy to play the "I swear we had the same amount" game with. Especially since there were ENDLESS reinforcements coming for you. Each wave we beat back, there was fresh names pushing our line. You got 3 people down, we got the loot out, and then the server crashed.

GG. Until next time.

I'm amazed you're able to so easily see through what we had thought was a brilliant military strategy. Although to the untrained eye it may have certainly seemed like every one of our men that were logged into the game at the time had moved up to the Risar dungeon to partake in the PvP festivities, we secretly had an army of ~260 fully geared soldiers (and that's a modest estimate) waiting on the other side of the hill for our signal.

Let this be a warning to 13 and every other guild out there that even thinks about approaching the Risar dungeon. We will stop at NOTHING to get our hands on the highly sought after rubers. NOTHING!!!


EDIT: Oh... and I ain't your "brah."

[Shinzon]

As I said in Bevo's direct quite; while it may sound a little bit on the harsh side in the language used; those that have dealt with me know that I often state things a little too bluntly for everyone's taste, regardless; the ball is in CIR's court and if they wish to settle things peacefully, or explode into war, it's their choice. Either event will be welcomed by all parties, so long as it ends this "Cold War" we have been engaged in thus far.

[Bevo]

I have done some editing to the latest update found above.

Having just received PMs I was hoping to get prior to posting my update, as well of a misunderstanding on what was on the record and off in some PMs I am going to add in some info I had left out, and add in some I have just had clarified. I apologize for the misunderstandings.

I'll document the edits below...

Quickly other guild were notified about the likely war, but a last minute meeting called by a neutral party was able to clear things up and prevent the war. While out of this meeting war was prevented both sides are still very much on the edge.

Changed to...

Quickly other guild were notified about the likely war, and there was a last minute meeting called by a neutral party. AI sent an officer to verify this rumor of houses prior to the meeting held by Prophecy. So AI went into the meeting knowing that there were no houses so war was not really on the table for this meeting. The purpose of the meeting being that if "Relations are so poor, we will go to war over a rumor, does this need fixing up?" In the end nothing came out of the meeting in the way to fix relations, while at the same time war didn't break out.

As well as a flat out removal of a whole section due to clarification from Amon...

Amon is in the worst position of all. They have agreements with both AI and CIR to help either party in times of need. What will happen if those two parties end up at war is anyone guesses. Now this being purely speculation I would assume that the ties to AI are far stronger than those to CIR. Amon's ties to CIR are based on the history of a large part of Amon coming from CIR. That history and friendships has been the foundation of those ties. While the ties to AI are based on Sun-Tzu being the former Military Commander of AI and the agreement that Amon can use their forums and Mumble in exchange for military assistance when needed. Would Amon stay neutral, or would both parties even allow Amon to stay neutral. If not on what side would they fight?

[Bevo]

Originally Posted by Insanity

Your time would be better spent posting on all the recent GK activity between LB and Myrm and other fights around nave, because the CIR vs AI novel is going to be a very long and boring one with nothing actually happening.

I would love to but the only good BR I have been sent has been the one by Stink Fist which I was glad to use. Other than that it has been people posting about each days events which I think is great. I am happy to encourage you guys to keep posting about your daily battles in this thread. For updates I'll put up any BR's from large battles like the one Stink Fist sent me.

But discourage arguments over numbers and flat out trolling of each other. Posting your daily battle reports is great, but anything that is arguing over numbers, and trolling I'd rather happen in other threads.

[Golozhopenko]

I don't understand why Mr. Log Out Shinzon still tries to make the whole story look like CIR vs AI.

There is high possibility that Mr. Shinzon knows about existance of Prometheus Alliance. This means that every political or\and military decision is made by the Alliance leaders.

To make it as clear as possible i can state here the official position of RUS.

RUS doesn't trust Shinzon, RUS considers Shinzon's behavior unreliable and his actions shifty.

[Crypton]

Originally Posted by Sun-Tzu

The only agreement Amon have is that with Aegis. We have no agreement with CIR, but I have given them a friendly offer to assist them if they need it. I like and respect some of the players in CIR and helping them would save us the time spent looking for a good fight. As our recruitment post say the agreement with AI will go before any friendly ties made by Amon. In case of a war between Aegis and CIR we will obviously honour our agreement and assist Aegis if they call for our support.

And we dont consider our position to be bad at all. Whatever happens Im sure there will be some good fights. Even if we had no connections with either Aegis or CIR we would have found our way to that battlefield. And if no armed conflict break out between Aegis and CIR Im sure our good relations with them will give us other fights in the future.

Sun you guys have friends on both Sides so why not just call neutral in this situation ? Just asking

[Chubbyjesus]

Originally Posted by Stink Fist

Might have seemed like 20 minutes but I doubt it was even half that, though if we hadn't rushed in early to prevent you guys from entering the laggy ass dungeon that would surely crash our node (like it did) and actually gathered our numbers it wouldn't have lasted a fraction of that.
If you want to talk specific numbers we had 9 at the beginning of the fight and when your ghost scout counted us out he counted 15. So 15vs17?

But 2 were escorting the guy with the loot. So you had 15 v our 14.

I just won the internet. 13ooommmmmm...

And it was YOU who messaged me on IRC with the 9.. then 11.. then 10 more who showed up late. WHY WOULD YOU TELL ME THAT? lol. And an old rule of thumb is if an enemy OPENLY admits they had 20 there or closeby, that really means they had 25-30.

Honestly I didnt care about numbers man, it was fun until the server shit out and as Mekon pointed out I told ever last mother fucker that they are going down swinging. You got 3 dudes to prove their williness to fight to the bitter end.

It was laggy for us up top anyway, so boo hoo you get lag in the Dungeon you keep trying to jump people at. You say it like we should be ashamed for backing up into the dungeon that each time you tried to push into, you caught some serious hurt.

Originally Posted by Lachrymose

I'm amazed you're able to so easily see through what we had thought was a brilliant military strategy. Although to the untrained eye it may have certainly seemed like every one of our men that were logged into the game at the time had moved up to the Risar dungeon to partake in the PvP festivities, we secretly had an army of ~260 fully geared soldiers (and that's a modest estimate) waiting on the other side of the hill for our signal.

Someone pull this dude aside in VENT, perferably Stink or Try.. And explain that you incidentally told me about the full 20 on IRC. Im pretty sure he is trying to be funny over something he isnt aware of.

Let this be a warning to 13 and every other guild out there that even thinks about approaching the Risar dungeon. We will stop at NOTHING to get our hands on the highly sought after rubers. NOTHING!!!


EDIT: Oh... and I ain't your "brah."

Also let this be some advice to anybody doing the Orc Dungeon.

3 Rubers have been pulled out by us. 4 or so by AI.

LB have stolen 0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk

[Kauppaneuvos]

So much hassle about some shitty rubies. 10g, thats like 30min farming?

[Stink Fist]

Originally Posted by Chubbyjesus

But 2 were escorting the guy with the loot. So you had 15 v our 14.

I just won the internet. 13ooommmmmm...

And it was YOU who messaged me on IRC with the 9.. then 11.. then 10 more who showed up late. WHY WOULD YOU TELL ME THAT? lol. And an old rule of thumb is if an enemy OPENLY admits they had 20 there or closeby, that really means they had 25-30.

Honestly I didnt care about numbers man, it was fun until the server shit out and as Mekon pointed out I told ever last mother fucker that they are going down swinging. You got 3 dudes to prove their williness to fight to the bitter end.

It was laggy for us up top anyway, so boo hoo you get lag in the Dungeon you keep trying to jump people at. You say it like we should be ashamed for backing up into the dungeon that each time you tried to push into, you caught some serious hurt.




Someone pull this dude aside in VENT, perferably Stink or Try.. And explain that you incidentally told me about the full 20 on IRC. Im pretty sure he is trying to be funny over something he isnt aware of.



Also let this be some advice to anybody doing the Orc Dungeon.

3 Rubers have been pulled out by us. 4 or so by AI.

LB have stolen 0.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sC75aU47GRk

Where are you getting this 20 from? My irc client saves logs off all private chats and I have the exact log where I said we had 9 in the beginning and thought we capped out at 11 because those are the people who I told to come. Then you replied saying a scout counted 15, after which I counted it too and he was right. You can tell yourself that we had 30 sitting over a hill top waiting all you want but the fact is that we had the 15 there after the fight was over.

Like I said though, enjoy your rubars. If you guys play for PvE in this game then good for you, just understand that in our field of play PvE and PvE loot doesn't mean shit. We didn't come for your rubars, we came for your heads.

[Bevo]

Can the numbers arguments please be done in another thread? Battle reports for your side is cool and discussion is cool, but everyone is always going to argue over numbers and we all know where that discussion goes. On and on for fucking ever.

[Turkis]

Bevo needs a group of non biased battle field reporters IMO.

[Mukan]

Originally Posted by Turkis

Bevo needs a group of non biased battle field reporters IMO.

Not really. The numbers and whether one side or the other followed some sort of ebushido is pretty irrelevant.

[Bevo]

Ya, anyone can post a great battle report. Look at Stink Fist BR that I posted. While there were a few little corrections and explanations given from others, everyone agreed it was a good BR. When others post bullshit BRs (a few of the more recent ones) people quickly get to recognize who post BS and who post the more accurate BRs. Just let the BS BRs go, and ignore them, and read those from the people who tend to post less biased less BS BRs. No need to get in arguments over numbers. That happens in every game and never goes anywhere. It really adds nothing to the benifit of others reading the reports. If people want to argue numbers, and start flame fest (which is fun, and I'll admit I do partake in and enjoy) please do so in their own threads.

[Nidhogg]

Its good to read that Aegis Imperium is not steering towards a war, neither is Prometheus so that should be the end of this.

Some corrections:

Spoiler for Shinzon:

Originally Posted by Shinzon

I also wouldn't put too much weight on Crypton's meeting, while I went in there partially optimistic that we can find out how CIR felt about everything, the only thing it did was confirm our previous suspicions. At the same time you refuse to take any steps to resolving the situation, and brick wall everything with your own bravado. This chest beating is probably the reason of deterioration of relations between CIR and AI. .

That meeting was about your suspicions that Prometheus had build on teritory you claim as yours. These suspicions got defused. Prometheus also told you how we stand, you DID offer a 'gesture of friendship' to which I replied that at the moment that would just be an empty gesture. I also told you that time, not gestures, will tell.

Spoiler for Shinzon II:

Originally Posted by Shinzon

Aegis Imperium has no intention of attacking CIR; or the Promethean Alliance, unless they themselves provoke a war. Methods of provocation could include attacking other smaller guilds, or expanding into territory that was agreed to belong to another guild. However as I said in that meeting, should you start going against the accords we all have outlined, we have no problem waging war on CIR, and anyone who considers them friend.

There are no agreements left between Prometheus and AI, we already informed you of that. We have already stated, and restated when you thought we had build there, that we have no intention of settling on combat beta isle.

You also accuse Prometheus of chest beating in a thread that is about your own guilds accomplishments in the Risar dungeon, you then continue to say you will wage war on anyone who considers us friend

You cannot both break an accord and still try to hold the other party to it. This has already been discussed in previous posts, yes, we disagree on that. I know.

Both sides have stated their story here, it seems we will not agree on most of what has happened. However, we seem to agree that neither wants war. We can work from there and with time see how that goes.

[Weedy]

Originally Posted by Golozhopenko

I don't understand why Mr. Log Out Shinzon still tries to make the whole story look like CIR vs AI.

There is high possibility that Mr. Shinzon knows about existance of Prometheus Alliance. This means that every political or\and military decision is made by the Alliance leaders.

To make it as clear as possible i can state here the official position of RUS.

RUS doesn't trust Shinzon, RUS considers Shinzon's behavior unreliable and his actions shifty.

Just to add:

if any guild in the Prometheus Alliance is not noticed in any active actions, it does not mean that the guild is not taken into consideration for the alliance actions.

[Angarato]

let the war of the bads commence imo

[Kauppaneuvos]

23.6

Los Banditos attempted to steal Prophecys keep-deed with group of 20-25 (10-11 mahtis).
LB failed since we had maybe 60-100 enemies against us. (thats my estimate, not saying its superaccurate).

Server crashed 3 times and after that mahtisoturit headed to newly build keep and destroyed stuff from different inventories there.

In the end, mahtis lost 2 guys and one out of those 2 died twice.


Good fight Prophecy and prepare yourself for upcoming Mahti-raids

[Ninogan]

Is Banditos a word? I thought the correct word was Bandidos >_>?

Oh well. Keep deed got placed or what? Keeps gonna pop up around Nave soon? Sounds neat.

[Stink Fist]

Originally Posted by Ninogan

Is Banditos a word? I thought the correct word was Bandidos >_>?

Oh well. Keep deed got placed or what? Keeps gonna pop up around Nave soon? Sounds neat.

Bandidos is the name of a bike gang.

We are the Banditos:

[Chubbyjesus]

Originally Posted by Stink Fist

Where are you getting this 20 from? My irc client saves logs off all private chats and I have the exact log where I said we had 9 in the beginning and thought we capped out at 11 because those are the people who I told to come. Then you replied saying a scout counted 15, after which I counted it too and he was right. You can tell yourself that we had 30 sitting over a hill top waiting all you want but the fact is that we had the 15 there after the fight was over.

Like I said though, enjoy your rubars. If you guys play for PvE in this game then good for you, just understand that in our field of play PvE and PvE loot doesn't mean shit. We didn't come for your rubars, we came for your heads.

Really cool story bro.

What everyone else sees: We had 11.. Oh you counted 15? Well yah thats true, but I didnt count. But I can tell you we didnt have anymore eventhough I just proved I have no fucking idea whats going on! Please believe me!

Ok I beleive you. So what we both agree the numbers were was 14 of us VS 15 of you. Are we done yet?

And we were there for PvE, fully expected and prayed to god for PvP. Our main force (10) got to play in there for a good 40 minutes, the small group (7) was there for hours.

While you dont give a shit about 50+ gold worth of PvE loot.. We really dont much care about the 3.5g (being generous) of PvP loot we lost. Unless "heads" vendor for 10g too, not sure?

It was fun and like I said just say good fight and shit.. Dont go into the normal bullshit, I always have my knee high double insulated bullshit boots on.

[Reinholt]

Someone explain why are the numbers everyone had so important to argue about in every battle report?

[Bevo]

-------6/23--------

Promethean Alliance put up their keep today with the help of many of their friends. Reportedly work continues on the keep with quite a lot done and a bit more to go. Additionally there have been reports of a number of houses going up at the same location. The location is where 13 had their keep(s) during Beta. That location is below the waterfall by Bakti on just off the way to the Jungle, or from Meduli it is due south through that little tunnel if you are familiar with that area. Just past the priest over there.

There was one small attack while work was kicking off on the keep. Los Banditos attacked Prom and friends but were clearly not ready for what they found when they showed up and the attack was repelled after some sever hick-ups and quite a lot of lag being reported on both sides of the fight. Luckily the server hick ups and lag did not have any bad effects on the building which continued, however outside of that battle lag there have been a number of bugs found.

More will be reported later.

Edit: Forgot to change the date on the Update heading....

[Xavath]

Originally Posted by Kauppaneuvos

23.6

Los Banditos attempted to steal Prophecys keep-deed with group of 20-25 (10-11 mahtis).
LB failed since we had maybe 60-100 enemies against us. (thats my estimate, not saying its superaccurate).

Server crashed 3 times and after that mahtisoturit headed to newly build keep and destroyed stuff from different inventories there.

In the end, mahtis lost 2 guys and one out of those 2 died twice.


Good fight Prophecy and prepare yourself for upcoming Mahti-raids

lol you are really committed to this troll story, arent you? We had 4 people on total at that time and server was crashing. We dont even have a keep deed.

[Kauppaneuvos]

Promethean, prophecy, whatever.

[Azrae1]

Mahti, myrms, whatever.

[Chubbyjesus]

Originally Posted by Reinholt

Someone explain why are the numbers everyone had so important to argue about in every battle report?

Not sure really. Its odd to me because I constantly enjoy a good fight. 80% of our fights dont even get reported in depth. It seems only guilds with beef want to put each other on blast.

The problem stems from certain guilds and alliances HAVING to make sure they throw numbers around to explain the fight.

These numbers are ALWAYS skewed. Then it goes back and forth with 'You had more, NO YOU DID'. Im obviously not above it, because I feel if people wanna say good fight.. Then good fight. If they wanna say YOU HAD SO MUCH MORE, then I point out thats just not true.

Originally Posted by Xavath

lol you are really committed to this troll story, arent you? We had 4 people on total at that time and server was crashing. We dont even have a keep deed.

Funny how long everyone let that comment float Xav,

Grats on your keep Prophecy!

(Seriously though Prom, good work!)

Originally Posted by Kauppaneuvos

Promethean, prophecy, whatever.

Originally Posted by Azrae1

Mahti, myrms, whatever.

COMBO BREAKER!!!!!!!!

[Najwalaylah]

Originally Posted by Bevo

I would love to but the only good BR I have been sent has been the one by Stink Fist which I was glad to use. Other than that it has been people posting about each days events which I think is great. I am happy to encourage you guys to keep posting about your daily battles in this thread. For updates I'll put up any BR's from large battles like the one Stink Fist sent me.

But discourage arguments over numbers and flat out trolling of each other. Posting your daily battle reports is great, but anything that is arguing over numbers, and trolling I'd rather happen in other threads.

Without reference to any specific battle, here's my take on the above statement.

It's agreed that Trolling is something that should happen elsewhere, always.

But a Battle Report or Daily Activity Report without any possibility, even the barest, of clarification or correction or recount or contradiction in numbers just strikes me as news without adequate fact checking, and to the extent that it's biased thereby, unfit to print. Some kind of even-handed input short of prolonged arguing must be possible.

[Bevo]

-------6/24--------

Battle Report for the fight mentioned in yesterdays Keep building battle.

This battle report is supplied by Prom

" Prometheus Alliance stood guard at the entrances to the keep spot with several lines of defense. All of the fighting took place in the tunnel leading from Meduli towards the keep.

We had three lines of defense in that tunnel with pickets/scouts out as advance warning. Los Bandidos was spotted by our scouts and their warning gave us time to get ready for incoming.

when the enemy was in sight 1st line and 2nd line fell back to the 3rd line, Los Bandidos charged after the seemingly fleeing fighters.

1st and 2nd line turned around when they met up with the 3rd line. Los Bandidos initially charged head on into these lines but withdraw when the line held.

Both forces stood their ground opposite each other, CIR charged straight through Los Bandidos to get in their rear, Los Bandidos fighters wheeled to counter this but in doing so exposed their back to RUS troops.

Then the server crashed, fearing a repetition of Gaul'Kor were a lot of our fighters were killed on logging in ODL, SV and OL were asked to first secure the crash site.

The crash site was secured but another crash hit, this time all of our forces were in the same tunnel(but not the same area), a ghost scout was the first to log in and he reported on Los Bandidos movement.

When Los moved away from one area in the tunnel our forces in that area were instructed to log in, they then proceeded up the tunnel online to find the server had crashed again.

This time we were unsure of the locations of our own troops due to offline mode and possible rollbacks so we were basically stuck.

We send out a request for aid. Amon was quick to rally people and come to our aid, as was AQ.

Los Bandidos however had apparently also gotten fed up with the crashes and called it a night. Once Amon and AQ arrived there wasn't anything left to fight for them.

Prophecy and 13 arrived later, helping stand guard and enabling us to free up more labor for the keep building.

Los Bandidos did manage to reach the keep between crashes, the keep guards weren't back online yet so Los Bandidos managed to delete some resources. " - Prom

[Bevo]

Originally Posted by Najwalaylah

Without reference to any specific battle, here's my take on the above statement.

It's agreed that Trolling is something that should happen elsewhere, always.

But a Battle Report or Daily Activity Report without any possibility, even the barest, of clarification or correction or recount or contradiction in numbers just strikes me as news without adequate fact checking, and to the extent that it's biased thereby, unfit to print. Some kind of even-handed input short of prolonged arguing must be possible.

Like I said in a post much like that one a few above it, clarification and corrections are great. Go back and look at where I posted Stink Fist BR. Following that post there are a few good clarifications. What there isn't is this arguing over numbers for 20 odd post.

Both side should report their numbers. The reports I get will always have different numbers for both sides. No one ever reports numbers correctly. It just doesn't happen. When someone post a Battle Report they should report numbers as close to accurately as they possibly can. Corrections on tactics, weapons, and such clarifications I am fine with. I just don't like clarifications on numbers on someone else Battle Reports. Post what you had, and what you think they had and leave it at that. Don't correct others numbers just post what you think there was in your report.

The one aspect of battle reports in EVERY game that will always be argued over, and over, and over will always be numbers. Even in a game like EVE where you have killmails, and killboards that document everyone in the fight so well, the arguments are still always over numbers. In games like MO, DF, SB and such where there isn't even any way to track numbers like there is in EVE it is much worse with virtually no way to prove one way or another.

If I were to encourage people to correct others reports on numbers this thread would quickly turn into nothing but a huge flame and bitch fest.

[Bevo]

-------6/25--------

In an unexpected turn of events Amon and Promethean Alliance are now at war.

This morning Synlaw the leader of Prom Alliance was in Kranesh and was attacking a known ganker. As it is CIR and Prom policy to try to keep Kranesh clean, and Amon follows that same policy, that is what he was trying to do. However, to Amon this 'ganker' did not appear to be causing any trouble, but rather it was Synlaw who was causing all the trouble. So one of the two Amon members (Frontal) put himself between Synlaw and the red and asked Synlaw to explain himself and why he was attacking red that appeared to Kernir and Frontal to be seemingly innocent. At this point a confrontation between Synlaw and Frontal took place, with conflicting reports on who threw the first punch. Following this Frontal and Kernir killed a number of CIR. The confirmed kills being Synlaw, Rezan, and Rabies. After this goes down Synlaw declared "So it means war."

At this point Nidhogg was dispatched quickly to Kranesh alone to try to bring some order to the situation. Kernir stated that as long as Synlaw continues to lie and "randomly attack in Kranesh, Amon will continue to fight (Prom)." At this statement reading it as a declaration of war Nid replied "very well" and attacked Kernir and Frontal knowing that he would die.

Currently Prom alliance is currently hostile to all Amon, and will kill any on sight in Kranesh. As Kernir is not an officer within Amon and can't declare war, they are waiting to hear from Sun-Tzu.

So far AI has not contacted me with their position in this war. However I do not believe it is to much of a reach to assume that AI will jump at this opportunity to kick off a war with Prom as the relationship between the two parties has deteriorated greatly over the past few week.

Grats to all the pvpers on what should be lots of good fights, and the crafters who should be made busy with this one. =)

Edit: In other news Prophecy has kicked off a fight vs TT. There is an update that will be posted soon on what has been going on between those two parties.

[Muloch]

incoming popcorn gif?

[Bevo]

I have edited in my content to my last update.

In addition the my update above about the kick off of a war between Prom and Amon, Prophecy has kicked off a war vs TT. There is an update that will be posted soon on what has been going on between those two parties.

[Slightly Campana]

Originally Posted by Muloch

incoming popcorn gif?

How commonplace. Here is Amon attacking CIR

[Aezreal]

Some stuff there is wrong I protected the innocent not kernir :<

GF Prom!

Nidd came to fix things alright... WITH LIGHTNING! LAZOOOORZZZ

[Death_Badger]

Its more or less right, Frontal is upset because you put my name instead of his

Frontal blocked not me but in the end its the same result so its just a minor error

(also Nid wasnt dispatched to restore order Syndic ordered him to attack us)