MO Counter - Research and Findings

[l3g10n]

I saw that post a while ago, it was actually around when i first started following the counter. The main concern I had at the time was the location of the first spatter, as it is slightly low and to the right of the center, while the spot on the logo is top-left. As more blood is forming, it seems to me that post was incorrect with what part of the logo it was, but correct with the concept. Just looked like the idea had fell to the wayside since that post.

[Kulin]

I know that "nave" is mostly read as an alteration of the latin navis, thus the ship or church-nave suggestions. (The nave in a church is actually called Kirchen-schiff (church-ship) in german)

I was hit by this thought this morning, too. That means even in the association with a church it just means "ship" or "center". It has nothing to do with religious symbols. Its just some kind of architectural term in this case.

This would be a fantastic intro and first epic quest, that Nava will be flooded (again!!) when the meteor hits the water and creates a Tsunami. Now we have to go to the gods or the Armillogion(maybe thats the only way to meet the gods) and get them to help you.

I already thought about this type of quest, too. It could be - if the theory that one moons of nave is destroyed is correct - that the Armillogion has come "out of sync" with the star system because it doesn't show the correct amount of stars and moons anymore. Probably we just have to remove the destroyed moon to get it to work again.

Btw: i've noticed something very strange in the movie this morning. The only thing that stopped moving in the last five pictures is the armillogion. The Letters and the Blood are still moving. That would mean: the armillogion has already stopped to work in this pictures.

It stopped just as this new fast object/meteor has appeared. I think this is very strange because it would be a very odd move of the devs to give out 5 Pics where everything but the Armillogion is still in movement. If this pics would be a placeholder - as we thought at first - then the blood and the letters wouldn't move, too.

That's why i think they want to say us something with this star constellation. There are 2 possibilities coming to my mind:
1. The Armillogion stopped. The flood has already started to set in but is not the result of a meteor. But then i ask you: why even bring the Armillogion in the visualization if it doesn't shows anything but that it stopped to move. The answer could be "because we know that the Armillogion stopped when the conflux happened". But this sounds a little bit far fetched and boring. Why show this fast meteor and then stop before you can be sure what happens?
2. The whole star system stopped to move(the planets do still rotate) to prevent the impact. The Armillogion is still working. This sounds very fascinating. It could be a divine intervention to prevent Nave from Destruction. The flood could be a result of the full braking of the planet. But since the Armillogion would still show the rotation of the planets this would be not very logical. I think the Tindreme would've noticed this. It would also prevent the Seasons which also would've been noticed by the whole world.

I don't really understand it. But there is another possible solution: we are thinking in to complicated ways. Probably the stopped Armillogion and the reference to the conflux is really all they wanted to show. No big bang. No eye-opening incident. In my eyes this would be a little bit disappointing. I really hope there is something more deep coming.

[Volkira]

With the amount of blood on the counter,with the religious links,the orrery it builds a picture of bloody conflict.Did the operators of it get killed?

Conflicts of Interest between the Church and the Mystic/Astronomers maybe.
A power struggle.

The Nave used as the central place of meeting and trading could of been set on fire during the conflict.

Is the Comet/Asteriod/Meteor a secondary issue?

Does one of them pass so close that it affects the tides and causes flooding.

Or simply as seen on the statues holding the globes a Hurricane passes close to Tindrem and cause part of the city to collapse and fall into the sea?

Maybe there is a convergance of things(Conflict,meteor,Storm)that caused everything to change.

After the conflux (a converging at the common centre) the people take on a new form of leadership.They lost faith in the theurgy?

The theurgy once powerful are no longer.They basically beg for funding.Why did they lose their power?

[Blixa]

It's under 5 days left now til the countdown runs out, the tension is rising :P

[Ride]

Am I wrong or does it stop moving as soon as the sun is being hit by some smaller meteor?

Edit: alright crazy guy's theory:
What if that planet in the middle is our planet, there clearly is a meteor heading towards it. However, the meteor disappears behind the countdown-bar, shortly after entering that area it comes out towars another direction - the sun. Eventually it hits the sun and the whole thing stops to move. As soon as it stops moving there comes an even bigger meteor from the top left - heading to the center of the map, which is, as far as I can see, our planet (if it is our planet).

So basically saying: We used these hax to get rid of that meteor and distract it from its path. Only to get it rollin towards.. the sun! So the gods punish us by sending us an even bigger meteor and.... Wait, without the sun we're screwed anyway..

yeah. that meteor clearly is heading towars the planet at first but makes a turn when behind the counter (you can still see it through a little)

[Maglubiyet]

So why does the one planet float and never move?

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Maglubiyet

So why does the one planet float and never move?

I'm going to have to say, because it's a magical device and it happens to be the center of the orrery as well. It spins, it just doesn't go anywhere.

[alephzain]

Wow guys, one can't be busy a while and it has to catch up to a lot of stuff

Nice job everyone!

Originally Posted by Kulin

Since the Armillogion was a device to look in the future i see no need to replace it with some gods. I think the text fits perfectly to the purpose of the Armillogion.

Yeah I agree it was a stretch. The only thing that bothers me is why use armillogia instead of armillogion. Latin has a lots of words ending in -a that are plurals (the English Datum Data took straight from Latin is the first example that pops into my mind). Of course since the Tindremic language is fictious and freely based on latin with other influences, my argument can very well be totally flawed.

Originally Posted by Unomat

but what the h*ll is the line on burning Nave referring to?

Well it all depends on what caused the flood. If it was the gravity pull from a passing by celestial body, it doesn't seem to make sense. But if it was caused by the impact of a huge meteor, it could very well have caused fires and floods simultaneously, a bit like a big nuclear detonation in proximity of an ocean mass.

About Nave meaning the church aisle, I don't know, I'm not sold on that one. This chant seems to refer to something too big in scope to be somewhat related (even in a metaphoric sense) to an architectural detail / technique. I think it means homeworld in a way or another.

One thing: do we know why the statues of the Colossus Gemini hold that planet(s) / moon(s) over their shoulders? That could be unimportant, but could also be an interesting hint of something. It makes me think of something impending, probably an event. Atlantis carried the World as a punishment if I recall correctly, but these statues look more synister and menacing somewhat. Also, the scythe was often associated with Death and Time. Like they lived in the constant fear that the conflux could happen again.

[Kiba Windrunner]

You're really dedicated to finding the meaning. Hope you find it!

[Karava401]

I watched the compilation of all the frames in a sequence, and I noticed that in the first one, it is very light and clean, yet by 186 it is incredibly bloody. Maybe this means blood will be spilled? A beta? A teaser of battle? Gameplay videos of battle? Maybe the counter is bleeding to death and no one cares =P. Good luck finding out, i hope to be there with you guys on March 18 at 8am (for PDT)

[adrala]

Found it, checking with Mats whether it should be available for public consumption.

Gratz Unomat!
I am proud of sharing a forum with people like you man.
Gratz to devs too for taking the time to interact with the community as they do.

[Kel]

Originally Posted by Unomat

Found it, checking with Mats whether it should be available for public consumption.

Alephzain, you probably mean Atlas, not Atlantis

First of all congratulations on your discovery..second, I don't see why it shouldn't be available. You decoded the riddle, that was the point of the counter right? to try and decode it before the time runs out. You did so share it with the rest of the class dammit..don't hog it!

[Aethaeryn]

Nice job Unomat .. maybe my wanting to go over everthing piece by piece this late in the game was not the best plan for solving it. . I had a lot of fun in the process though.

I hope this is a sign of things to come!

[Kiba Windrunner]

We need the answer! Please tell the public!

[Rycon]

3 more days and we find out

[Ride]

Congrats man, I feel like I need to go play some MYST seeing your success in discovery

[Rathius]

Unomat, I honestly don't see why you decide to clam up now. After 13 pages of posting research and speculation, why now? Why not say what you're going after so we can discuss it, like we have been. That was the purpose behind this after all.

What you've posted from Mats isn't really ground-breaking at all. Sure it's more confirmation on a purpose, but it covers stuff we've already done and speculated on. We've went over the names, tried to tie them together. We have many different stories behind what it all could be telling. And we have many different piece of information that could be that one new important piece of information revealed.

Short form of such possibilities.
Story: Conflux/Struggle
How: Meteor/Divine
Names: Planets/Gods

Posting that and not offering anything, to be honest with the neg rep you mentioned, does sound like you're just trying to garner attention, to be 'a hero' if you will. It's like you took all of this community work, and then are holding all of the information to yourself, for whatever reasons.

[Kaure]

Ok so these are my thoughs.

First, the text we are trying to translate is the old tindremic language, I say old because in the text we have the "armillogion" is called "armillogia". This text was a prediction of what after happened.
Let's call what happened the "disaster" .

The disaster is composed in two fases.

The first is the planet and moons alignment that caused "the great washout":
"In connection with the Conflux something which is called the Great Washout befell Tindrem. The name is disputed but it probably originates from when the foul-smelling tanneries and fisheries in the northern part of the city simply sank into the ocean. Another theory which has been proposed suggests that the name comes from when all kinds of abominations that had anonymously thrived in the sewer system were swept out to sea to the horror of the residents during the following flood."

This event is what "am nave diluvi" is referring to.

Then the new fast object that appeared on the counter will cause the impact that we call the Conflux. Am Nave flagrati.

So, the disaster happened and the armillogion doesn't work anymore.

"When Vica Iudico sank into the ocean the Athenaeum Regalis disappeared as well, it was a well-regarded academy which also housed one of the largest collections of books and scrolls in the world. Those items which could be saved were divided between the Clerus Magica and the former city hall in Forum Tindrem, which has taken over the role as both library and courthouse. One of the most important items recovered was the Armillogion" device – a kind of ancient orrery of mystical origin that according to legend was the reason to the success of the old empire because of its ability to predict the future. Unfortunately no one has ever understood how the mechanism in the item worked and since it stopped working during the flood it now mostly stands in its new place in the Clerus Magica collecting dust.

Now the follow is just speculation and I can be very wrong, but I think that the number of planets is the same number of playable race we will have, each one associated with a planet, also the default gods. We know for sure that the most ancients races were the pre-sidoians, the huergar and the tindremens. Maybe the "disaster" have caused an anomaly and the other five races have come.

Let's not forget that the forest elfs are only a part of the elf race and half orcs come from the pure-blood orcs. Maybe for this reason the half-orcs can't reproduce, since they haven't their own planet/god/protector they are not allowed.

Sorry for my bad english, hope you enjoyed my view .

[Melora]

Originally Posted by Kaure

Now the follow is just speculation and I can be very wrong, but I think that the number of planets is the same number of playable race we will have, each one associated with a planet, also the default gods. We know for sure that the most ancients races were the pre-sidoians, the huergar and the tindremens. Maybe the "disaster" have caused an anomaly and the other five races have come.

You seem to be on the same road as I am with that speculation .

[Dalixin]

im going to be at work when the timer run out!!! DAMNIT!!

maybe i'll take an early lunch that day and come home for then counter to reach 0!

[Artek]

You all sure know how to make a guy feel dumb :P

I look at that picture and think.... "How the hell do they see all of this"
Then look at the counter "Phew only a couple more days and I will know whats going on"

[Balkin]

Originally Posted by Dalixin

im going to be at work when the timer run out!!! DAMNIT!!

maybe i'll take an early lunch that day and come home for then counter to reach 0!

Haha, ya think thats bad I have Jury Duty.... WHY cruel world why....

[Yoghurt]

Originally Posted by Balkin

Haha, ya think thats bad I have Jury Duty.... WHY cruel world why....

I had jury duty then too! I got out of it with the "I'm a college student" card.
I win.


I love that the dev team does things like this.. makes me look forward to in-game quests n events.


Edit: Just throwing this out there.. and sorry if it's been said but I haven't read it yet..

IF a meteor impacted the ocean, it would create tidal waves up to 1000m high to a distance of 2000km from the point of impact. (The Flooding)

The planet's core would be disrupted -- reversing the magnetism and speeding up the plate movement on the planet's crust. This would create mountains very rapidly and volcanoes would spring up across the globe. (The Burning)

If life survived this far through the process -- the ash clouds from the volcanoes would engulf the planet's atmosphere blocking out the sun and launching the planet into darkness.

The only way anything could survive is either the in-born resistance to such conditions (most likely bacteria deep in the ocean) or some sort of technology or in this case: Magic//Necromancy.

This is of course only if the rapidly approaching object towards the end of the animation hits the game-world. The people who survived through the use of necromancy probably took it as a sort of "Judgement Day" (The Colossus with the scythe).

This is my shot in the dark: Society pre-meteor probably looked down upon witchcraft or necromancy in a similar manner to our world. Post-disaster the people being saved by the witchcraft they once hated shifted their beliefs and started to worship the arts. (The Colossus with the book)

Usually when there are 2 objects in question it's either because they are similar or opposites. This would mean that the scythe colossus (judgement day) could have been opposite to, or countered by the book colossus (Necromancy/Magic).

I have no idea what any of this would mean... and I know it's already been figured out. Until he says what it actually is I'm still thinking.

[Wolfhammer]

This thread is full of intelligence ! What on earth is the interwebz coming to...?!! lol

Aegis got some serious members.... Much kudos for your continued efforts...

[alephzain]

Originally Posted by Unomat

Found it, checking with Mats whether it should be available for public consumption.

While I appreciate and respect your attitude (I much prefer people who go out of their way to respect others than the opposite), I think in this case you could share your thoughts.

Unless your theory is so well supported by evidence that it can be considered definitive, the original meaning of the counter will be protected by it being just speculation, although having read your posts I'm sure it will be very high quality speculation. What I mean is, no matter how well it's thought out, unless it's so spot on it doesn't leave room for any other theory, we won't be 100% sure it's correct, therefore it can't be considered a spoiler.

Originally Posted by Unomat

Alephzain, you probably mean Atlas, not Atlantis

Of course, you're right. All this talking about floods and civilizations disappearing in catastrophic events has a weird effect on my mind

[Volkira]

I thought our goal on this thread was for us all to work together at solving this Puzzle.

So many people have spent ages researching and solving parts of this puzzle as clues emerged.Everyone has helped in some way to solve this.

It's been a fun bonding experience so far for the community and I do find it strange now that we approach zero hour all this team effort goes by the way side.

Now the only way I could see the information not being shared would be in the event that it lead to an in game quest and a reward that you don't want to share with 1000's of players.

But at this stage of the puzzle I feel it's only the beginning to a long road of twists and U turns.

So If a solution has been found for this first part then I would expect it to be shared with everyone that's helped in one way or another in solving it.

[Infernalic]

Eeeeeeek!

02:22:55:30

/squel like a little schoolgirl

[Volkira]

Originally Posted by Unomat

I thought this was the way the Aegis Imperium prefers to operate but fine, never mind the mystery and we'll probably have a laugh about this being a red herring in 3 days time. Here's my solution and I'm sure the people who have a hard time arriving at it will ask for proof sometime:

Clava et caverna

Have fun, I'm sure I will at the pokergame tonight

PS Volkira, I'm with you on the number of hours some of us have put into this, it's a shame we won't be able to pool our resources in a more efficient manner in the future

Unomat I have no barbed wires,no walls,no locks and in my mind you and anyone can always approach me what ever the issues.

It was fun being a part of this thread and helping out.I'm quite happy to give my time in the future to solving more with you and with others.

I'm sure we'll be bumping into each other alot in the future.

Now This clue you have given I have to go look at but to me it already sounds like underground cave.Let the search begin and grats to you in solving it.

[Shoku]

Wait nevermind, bad post.

[Jeffan]

Hmm Clava et Caverna

Clava= Club in Italien
et= and in latin
Caverna = Cave in latin

Club and Cave :S
doesn't ring a bell here. To mention Caverna could also mean Hollow place, cavity but still does't ring a bell. Any suggestions?

Maybe Clava and Caverna is names for something?

[Kel]

It's starting to feel like Christmas morning as a child..

[Yoghurt]

Maze of under ground caves = doom bunker.

Clava can also refer to Mu Boötis which is a triple star system in the constellation Boötis.

Also and much more likely it refers to Brazen's Clava Cairn.

It says each Clava Cairn usually only holds one grave within it so could it be a series of cavernous tombs?

[Jeffan]

Well the question still remains xD how does Clava et Cavern help solve the whole puzzle?

[Yoghurt]

Were they in the sewers? In the vid it looks like the half-orc enters into the cavern through the side of a mountain. That might just be the site of the first dungeon... a cavernous tomb which holds some sort of PvP objective (the human and half-orc were intending on fighting eachother). Then the dragon appears (first boss).

Dunno for sure but it seems viable.


And Jeffan: I have no idea.
-Yoghurt

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Unomat

...never mind the mystery and we'll probably have a laugh about this being a red herring in 3 days time. Here's my solution and I'm sure the people who have a hard time arriving at it will ask for proof sometime:

Clava et caverna

So why not skip the BS and fill us in? The whole point was that you're telling us you have something and then holding it in. You're still sitting here bragging about something you found through community collaboration. To be blunt, that's a pretty crappy move on your part to keep it to yourself all the while practically shoving it in our face that you have a solution without letting us in on how you go there.

It's like multiple people bringing their part of a treasure map together, and then you bolt off saying you found it, screwing over everyone else that was trusting you with their bit of information.

[Yobaj]

I agree.

Why are you waiting for Mats to say yes, go ahead?

1. He has stated that the riddle was put there for us to solve. They want us to find out (not statng how hard they wanted it to be).

2. Even if he gave you some personal clarification, he wouldn't do it before asking himself what would happen if you told other people. I think Mats is somewhat a man of principles, and whouldn't give one person a special clue just because he likes you.

[Shoku]

Well one thing is for sure, the planets on the orrey are gonna eclipse when it ends. I'm sure that's been mentioned, though.

[Infernalic]

Originally Posted by Kel

It's starting to feel like Christmas morning as a child..

Well said.

I am sitting infront of my computer squeling like a little girlie...

[Hargon]

As quoted in the first post, the star vault team stated this- We’ve even presented clues for some of these events before the game starts, one is embedded in the countdown image on [COLOR=#800080]www.mortalonline.com[/COLOR] .

Meaning there are more clues around that might connect to the timer's clue.. I think that maybe the picture here - http://www.mortalonline.com/overview
could be a clue to an event that might happen. Obviously there's some huge war happening here which could relate to the poem with destruction and burning if you change ship to planet:

Protect us from Destruction
Armillogion
Us, the foolish and the questioning

Deter the Chances,
for our flooded ship,
for our burning ship

Another way to connect these two could be that the people in the castle/city (located near the horizon in this picture), which is seemingly under attack, were saying the words in the poem, making ship refer to their city.

[Rathius]

Now that wasn't that hard now was it? Could have avoid all of this by saying what you had rather than trying to flaunt it, reguardless of what you said, thats exactly what you were doing.

And now, since you stated where you're coming from, other people can actually try and help and check your assumptions for errors. As long as you state this is what you -think- is going on and not state it as truth, you don't have to worry about it being wrong. You don't need to go ask a dev every time you think you've found something, or are you going to do this with everything you find in game, and wait to see if they confirm it for you? As some sort of personal assistance...

We shouldn't have to contact you directly for the information. This is a community effort and therefore I requested in the same exact way we've been sharing the information this entire time.

Rathius, if you want to argue I'd like to give you the same advise I gave Shinzon a month ago: contact me directly, as I refuse to be drawn into flamewars over a forum. But if you feel up to it, can you please point out to me what the community contributed to this theory? Thanks in advance

This is a COMMUNITY THREAD. Or has that not sunk in yet. Everyone that has posted here has contributed to the overall ideal, whether their idea fits or was off. You don't have to be right to contribute. I don't see your name on every post in this thread, so obviously others have contributed.