MO Counter - Research and Findings

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Volkira

After examining that picture I don't think its a planet.I think it's a moon actually.

If you look in his hand the moon has a large crator.Now look up at the moon in the sky in the same picture and it has the same looking crator.

Considering the size and distance of some of those planets though, it would be hard to say.

[Volkira]

To whom ever was looking into the music side of things I found a good link.I'm sure if you sent them the images we have of the chants they would be able to tell you what origins they may come from.

Since thats their expertise.

[COLOR=#0066cc]http://www.scribeserver.com/NEUMES/index.html?lang=en&level=19&opened=no&page=[/COLOR]

[Volkira]

Originally Posted by Rathius

Considering the size and distance of some of those planets though, it would be hard to say.

I'm talking about the picture over looking the harbour(need to click on it to enlarge it firstly).The statue that holds the sphere has one distinct crator on it.

Then if you look at the same pic the moon in the sky has the same distinct crator on it too.Maybe a coincidence.

[rkron]

ive read through this thread (great job btw guys) im thinking Armillogion may be a new race or like the first world boss guy. but idk

[Weedy]

Originally Posted by Volkira

I'm talking about the picture over looking the harbour(need to click on it to enlarge it firstly).The statue that holds the sphere has one distinct crator on it.

Then if you look at the same pic the moon in the sky has the same distinct crator on it too.Maybe a coincidence.

Maybe a coincidence. Planet on Camulos's shoulder also have a crator.
Maybe this planets in Camulos's and Zelua's hands are the one indeed. And they are the image of big planet, that we can see in the screenshot of harbour - but, of course, different size of planets in Gods' hands is confusing over here.

Originally Posted by Fortinbras

My guess would be that Unomat is right in identifying the planet with two satellites as Mortal's Earth and Zelua and Camulos are the names of its moons, or of mythical figures associated with the moons. Also note that Camulos is holding a scythe rather than a staff, which suggests to me that the larger moon is referred to to mark the passage of time. Zelua's book and scrolls could mean anything. Perhaps the smaller moon is sacred to the god of laws or learning, who knows?

Sorry for my blindness, it's really a scythe... We learn from Gaulish that

Camulus or Camulos was the god of war of the Remi, a Gaulish tribe, who lived in the area of today's Belgium. Traces of his cult are also found in Britain. The town Camulodunum (now Colchester) in Essex, was named after him; it has been claimed that this was the basis for the legendary city Camelot. The Romans identified Camulus with Mars, their god of war.

So Camulos may be a god of war and\or time - i think scythe is OK sign for both of it. Camulos and Zelua seems to be Chief gods, Main gods in Tindremic culture, but they are not alone - we also know name of god of fortune - Caerus.
Everything here seems linked somehow...

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Volkira

I'm talking about the picture over looking the harbour(need to click on it to enlarge it firstly).The statue that holds the sphere has one distinct crator on it.

Then if you look at the same pic the moon in the sky has the same distinct crator on it too.Maybe a coincidence.

Yup, I understand what you were referencing. It's just, again, due to the distances and sizes of the things on that orrery it could be either moon or planet.

[Arrius]

Wait...what?

[Lachdadan]

this just genial - this really got me - good work all of you - and exceltent work from devs - this is more then i ever excepted from a game forum - really great

[abradras]

actually can someone play and record that song ?? be nice if you could post sound file here btw, rly great find..

[Shadowland]

So, the last image that will be shown before the count down hits 0 is:




So nothing that specific is shown when the counter hits 0 I guess, not that I can see anyways.

[erisco]

Here are my findings:

http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/5...tml#post115539

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Shadowland

So, the last image that will be shown before the count down hits 0 is:
...
So nothing that specific is shown when the counter hits 0 I guess, not that I can see anyways.

That is not the last frame when the counter hits 0. That's the frame that displays when the counter is at 15 days 22 hours. There are still 63 frames left that we don't have. They put them up in batches, not all at once. Otherwise we would have everything we need to solve it, and would have had it from the time we figured out the background was changing.

[Tyraccus]

Out of curiousity, that last pic...the planets are aligning? Some type of cosmic event would undoubtably occur with all planets aligning.

I too want to throw in my appreciation for all those who are unciphering the cryptic countdown.

[Drackni]

Originally Posted by Shadowland

So, the last image that will be shown before the count down hits 0 is:




So nothing that specific is shown when the counter hits 0 I guess, not that I can see anyways.

This probably is pointless but can anyoneelse see a tie interceptor?

[Fortinbras]

Originally Posted by Tyraccus

Out of curiousity, that last pic...the planets are aligning? Some type of cosmic event would undoubtably occur with all planets aligning.

Some kind of... conflux?

Sorry, I'll not be obtuse. The lore articles on the website make vague reference to some cataclysm called the Conflux. I think it's safe bet that we'll find out more about exactly what happened when the planets on the orrery line up and the counter reaches zero.

Originally Posted by Unomat

Ow and Fortinbras, I stated Nave has 3 satellites with 2 definite moons and 1 satellite on a weird trajectory

Well, maybe they thought it wasn't worth building a statue for the little one you can't see half the time

[Necromantic]

Originally Posted by Necromantic

Done:
http://www.regrol.de/mo_countdown

It's an application that searches and downloads all the files from the countdown and then animates them.

Right now it's only writing everything into the RAM, so it will have to rel-download everything (which is quite alot, right now all the images together are over 50 megabytes already) again after closing it once.
But I'll be changing it soon, letting it put the downloaded stuff into a folder and only downloading new stuff.

Java needs to be installed, but I guess everyone should have that installed anyways nowadays.

It's now saving the pictures in your "<my documents>\mo_countdown" folder and on the next start (or if you already have the files in there) reading the files locally and only downloading the pictures you don't have yet.

In addition you can press the "Space" key while the animation is running to pause it and the "Escape" key to exit the application.

[Banok]

do tell us if you figure anything out, cba reading so many pages of speculation.

[Volkira]

Originally Posted by Unomat

We already figured out a lot of stuff Banok, but in 16 days and 1.5 hours we'll all know for sure

Damn, only 1.5 hours to go to frame 130 already and still no release of more frames? I'm suffering from withdrawal already

I know the feeling I've been waiting to see what the new frames show too.Hopefully it will be the mother load.

[YOU]

*removed, sending pm instead.

[Matlas]

Nice post! This make the counter even more interesting to watch! So i will take a popcorn box and stair at the counter 24/7 now hehe just kidding!

Keep up the good work ! Nice post indeed!

[Volkira]

Originally Posted by Unomat

And we're off, get them while they're hot

Edit: don't forget to let Necro's app run through the whole set once, otherwise it won't save the frames in your mo_countdown directory

First words of the new line:
am na-ve fla-gra-t(?)i

My take:
from (?) burning Nave

Mmm, that makes me wonder: as Zelua and Camulos are carrying only two of the three satellites, could this be a tale on how the third satellite was created? In other words is it a part of the planet that somehow got hurled into space? it fits with my reading of the words up till now, but I'm very curious what other people make of it!

I think I'll wait till the letters are more clear but it does look right.But it does seems like something about 'burning Nave '

I've been more fixated on the 2 asteroids? that both start from sw of screen,one moves to the North East while one is on an orbit and moves back to the sun.Does it hit the Sun?? or go behind it.Guess next frames will show

[Ajk72]

I think that's very amazing you guys were able to find all that information and for your sake I hope you're right! But c'mon, who can't help but chuckle if the Devs just say after the timer hits 0 "we just thought it was a cool looking background..." But keep up the work I'm interested to hear more!

[ironbark]

What about the wear and tear the background is suffering as the images progress? It looks like blood gets spilled on some of it and a darker liquid and then it appears to get slightly burned.

This represents conflict. I think that that is what the counter is counting down to, some major conflict... just like BETA

So thats where i am putting my money!!

cheers,

Ironbark

[Volkira]

Hey I've searched and searched for that style of Neume and guess what Here she is.

CANTORINUS: READINGS FOR THE OFFICE OF THE DEAD, TAKEN FROM JOB 7, 10, 14, AND 19



MS in Latin on vellum, Norway (or Denmark?), 15th c., 1 f., 21x14 cm, single column, (19x14 cm), 8 lines in Norwegian cursive book script, + 8 lines of "Tête de marteau" notation on a 4-line staff, of a Scandinavian type, with C-clef indicated.

Provenance: 1. Sotheby's 19.6.1990:3.

Commentary: The Cantorinus is a very rare liturgical book. It was formed in the 14th or 15th c. after the Tonary. It is the booklet containing the musical (not liturgical) classifications of the Gregorian antiphons and responsories with addition of the soloists' songs. In "Tête de Marteau" notation the notes are shaped like hammer heads.
http://www.schoyencollection.com/music.htm#7.2

[Volkira]

Originally Posted by Unomat

Volkira, can I have your babies

Hats off to you sir, it's a pity Rep cannot be given +10 at a time! Do you have a direct link to it as well? If only to try and get the best possible copy and use it in future cleaning steps?

yah link is attached just above jpeg.oops just click the link and scroll down the page to ms 1281

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Volkira

http://www.schoyencollection.com/music.htm#7.2

Based on this same collection (extremely nice find btw), Volkira, it looks like I might have came across something to help find the other document (though not entirely important). I found this document: http://www.schoyencollection.com/papyri.htm#2752

It seems to share very similar qualities with the big blocky text that we fist see. Which, if it is the same, would make it Sahidic. There are a few other documents of the same nature throughout, though they don't seem to matchup either.

[Shadowland]

Well keep going at it. I'd think it'd be hilarious if you worked it all out like 1 day before the counter hits 0 and everyone finds out what it is anyways. Only 15 days left. Tick tick tick.....

Good luck lol

[Etwynn]

If this is the start of a large-scale public closed beta I would be very impressed. Far too many recent MMOs have relied on a very short beta to disasterous results. I'm keeping my fingers crossed, not necessarily for an invite but in the hopes that this team is running on a tight enough schedule to have ample time for testing.

[Syl111]

Is anyone else really creeped out by this whole thing?

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Unomat

You're right Rathius, the second text probably is from that collection as well but I don't agree it is #2752; the text as included in the counter is made up of two columns and 2752 are just long lines.

Ah well, I'll try and get back to my previous efforts of extracting that stream after the poker tournament; it's a nice passtime until the next batch of frames is released on Monday 9th

Sorry Unomat, I guess I didn't word that the best. I did not mean that it is the same document. I meant for that to refer to the text/language that is shown within that document. The similar qualities would give us something to go on if we felt we needed to find that document, however I'm sure it's just as much of a filler document as the other one is.

[Volkira]

The word Armillogion

I've been looking at this more and have found other Greek words that tend to use the gion as an ending.Most of them are attached to Religious readings.

Horologion:
The Horologion (Greek: ῾Ωρολόγιον; Church Slavonic: Часocлoвъ, Chasoslov, Romanian: Ceaslov), or Book of Hours, provides the fixed portions of the Daily Cycle of services (Greek: akolouthies, ἀκολουθίες) as used by the Eastern Orthodox and Eastern Catholic churches. Into this fixed framework, numerous moveable parts of the services are inserted.

The same Greek word was also used to describe a device used for showing time, such as the Tower of the Winds.

The Horologion is primarily a book for the use of the Reader and Chanters (as distinguished from the Euchologion, which contains the texts used by the Priest

Irmologion

Irmologion (Greek: εἱρμολόγιον (heirmologion)) is a liturgical book of the Eastern Orthodox Church and those Eastern Catholic Churches which follow the Byzantine Rite, and it contains texts for liturgical singing in Church.[1] Specifically, it contains irmoi (introductory hymns) for the various canons which are chanted at Matins and other services.

Menaion

Menaion (Greek: Μηναίον; Slavonic: Минеѧ, Mineya)—A twelve-volume set which provides liturgical texts for each day of the calendar year.[7] The twelve volumes correspond to the months of the year. The liturgical year begins in September, so the first volume of the Menaion is September.

Triodion

Triodion (Greek: Τριῴδιον, Triodion; Slavonic: Постнаѧ Трїωдь, Postnaya Triod' ; Romanian: Triodul)—Also called the Lenten Triodion. During Great Lent the services undergo profound changes. The Lenten Triodion contains propers for:
the Pre-Lenten Season
the Forty Days of Great Lent itself
Lazarus Saturday and Palm Sunday
Holy Week

Pentecostarion

Pentecostarion (Greek: Πεντηκοστάριον, Pentekostarion; Slavonic: Цвѣтнаѧ Трїωдь, Tsvetnaya Triod' , literally "Flowery Triodon"; Romanian: Penticostar)—This volume contains the propers for the period from Pascha to the Sunday of All Saints. This period can be broken down into the following periods:
Bright Week (Easter Week)--The seven days from the Pascha (Easter Sunday) through the following Saturday
Paschal Season--The period from Thomas Sunday until Ascension
Ascension and its Afterfeast
Pentecost and its Afterfeast
All Saints Sunday (the Sunday after Pentecost)

Synaxarion

Synaxarion (Greek: Συναξάριον; Romanian: Sinaxar)—The Synaxarion contains brief lives of the saints for each day of the year, usually read at Matins.


So going by this I'm starting to wonder if the Armillogion is actually a Book.
Is it refering to the Book Zelua is holding in his hands??

[Ajk72]

That wall of text looks important! Someone should read it!
/wait patiently for poster below... (TBA who that is)

But seriously- could someone just post a very brief summary of what the current theory of the countdown is and the relation? I'm starting to get confused... thanks much keep it up!

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Volkira

The word Armillogion

So going by this I'm starting to wonder if the Armillogion is actually a Book.
Is it refering to the Book Zelua is holding in his hands??

Before you get too far of yourself, no, it is not. And this is already mentioned in Lore that we have on hand.

One of the most important items recovered was the Armillogion device – a kind of ancient orrery of mystical origin that according to legend was the reason to the success of the old empire because of its ability to predict the future. Unfortunately no one has ever understood how the mechanism in the item worked and since it stopped working during the flood it now mostly stands in its new place in the Clerus Magica collecting dust.

Just go out on a very fragile limb with nothing to support it... that book may contain the method to use/activate the Armillogion device.

[Ajk72]

Just throwing a random idea out there... is this Armillogion device (can't remember the name as its not a common one :P) possibly the device on the front page and its the "device" counting down? Understandable if I'm way off, but figured little brain storming couldn't hurt!

Edit- put in the proper name of device

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Ajk72

Just throwing a random idea out there... is this Armillogion device (can't remember the name as its not a common one :P) possibly the device on the front page and its the "device" counting down? Understandable if I'm way off, but figured little brain storming couldn't hurt!

Edit- put in the proper name of device

Yes, stated in the very first post. I'm trying to keep it updated.. however as most of it's still speculation, I don't want to keep updating the main post with revised theories.

[Ajk72]

Sorry, walls of text hurt me eyes...summaries are my friends I'll just sit back n watch from now on thanks for not flaming me

[Volkira]

Originally Posted by Rathius

Before you get too far of yourself, no, it is not. And this is already mentioned in Lore that we have on hand.



That however isn't to say that the book may contain the method to use/activate the Armillogion device.

Ya my bad Your are correct I just reread the lore.

So Zelua is simply holding The Law of the Thirteen tablets?

Anyway I thought there may have been something in those words ending in gion/ion and their religious ties and the connection with Armillogion.

[Rathius]

Originally Posted by Ajk72

Sorry, walls of text hurt me eyes...summaries are my friends I'll just sit back n watch from now on thanks for not flaming me

Like I said, I'm trying to keep the first post updated, doing a bit now. And in this thread I try and put my main findings with the Weird caps/bold combo so it can be noticed easier. Also in the main post, I'll try to keep things sectioned out at the bottom of it.

Oh, and you guys translating/isolating the text that comes from the upper left corner... could you update with one post on what you guys have? So I can make a nice section for it in the first post.

[Shadowland]

Mats Persson Is Reading This Thread Nao

[Mats Persson]

Originally Posted by Shadowland

Mats Persson Is Reading This Thread Nao

Thank you for reminding me