Epic update? - Page 3

Daric · 22nd July 2010, 16:41

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Originally Posted by Cable

Maybe they can magic in a server for America at some point. I tested the lag by going to a friend's house that has multiple computers set up with MO on them and I tested the amount of time it took for motion to occur after I had done something. It took about a second to carry out the moves I did on my friends other pc. That 1 second is huge in this kind of game. They need to throw a server in the US.

I would've thought you knew better than this. I don't want to derail this awesome thread but that is a terrible misconception that needs to stop. Yes, 1 second ping is a big deal, but with client-side hitboxes and UE's prediction system all that matters is what is on your screen. Definitely needs some optimization of the netcode, but a serparate server is a horrible idea. Besides, who would fill this new server?

PS- Thanks for the info ITT, Henrik.

fariic · 22nd July 2010, 17:22

Can we get a little word on flash support?

I was talking to a friend who's a software engineer and aparently flash is supposed to be a very powerful tool in regard to what can be done with the GUI.

I'd love a status update on this.

**Henrik Nystrom** · 22nd July 2010, 17:59

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Originally Posted by fariic

Can we get a little word on flash support?

I was talking to a friend who's a software engineer and aparently flash is supposed to be a very powerful tool in regard to what can be done with the GUI.

I'd love a status update on this.

We are getting flash support as we speak via Epic Games, they are doing the merge and testing it for us, we wont touch it untill they are done with that. Then we simply need to work on the actual flash content, which is a pretty fast process so Im hoping to see this ingame not to far away. We have to bare with the old GUI untill then. This flash support also adds some other small fun stuff such as mini games (board games, chess), UO inventory will be doable with that and so on.

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Originally Posted by roidanielsen

Henrik. Are you going to add more undergrowth to the game world or is that too heavy on perfomance?

The open flat grounds with some horrible looking bushes are just a pain to look at. Hopefully the HD textures will improve that, but more undergrowth would just make the world even more immersive :P

You could even have an option to add undergrowth in the settings

Yes we are going to add more udnergrowth in our world, its just time consuming and we try to get some valuable content along side of the ver going world "propping"

TomBor · 22nd July 2010, 18:06

Uo Inventory!

Zehtuka · 22nd July 2010, 18:09

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Originally Posted by Henrik Nystrom

This flash support also adds some other small fun stuff such as mini games (board games, chess)...

What about the crafting minigames?

MrHoot · 22nd July 2010, 18:12

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Originally Posted by Henrik Nystrom

We are getting flash support as we speak via Epic Games, they are doing the merge and testing it for us, we wont touch it untill they are done with that. Then we simply need to work on the actual flash content, which is a pretty fast process so Im hoping to see this ingame not to far away. We have to bare with the old GUI untill then. This flash support also adds some other small fun stuff such as mini games (board games, chess), UO inventory will be doable with that and so on.

Yes we are going to add more udnergrowth in our world, its just time consuming and we try to get some valuable content along side of the ver going world "propping"

Hey HenrikNystrom, by the way, how's the ETA on EPIC providing you that fix for "?" items and Mob pathing ? It's been more than a month that you spoke of the latter and we don't have much news regarding this yet

Cheith · 22nd July 2010, 18:15

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Originally Posted by Morthi

It does ,faster the combat is faster player have to react and needs to aim quicker and that requires skills and lots of practice my friend, if you want chess style pvp go play chess instead.

BS. You are talking about reaction speed, that is twitch not skill. It is very age dependent. It is also very connection dependent.
Cheers,
C.

Kuroi · 22nd July 2010, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Henrik Nystrom

We are getting flash support as we speak via Epic Games, they are doing the merge and testing it for us, we wont touch it untill they are done with that. Then we simply need to work on the actual flash content, which is a pretty fast process so Im hoping to see this ingame not to far away. We have to bare with the old GUI untill then. This flash support also adds some other small fun stuff such as mini games (board games, chess), UO inventory will be doable with that and so on. "

i would say this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3ALwKeSEYs

SOFWarrior · 22nd July 2010, 18:16

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Originally Posted by TomBor

Uo Inventory!

I agree - a UO inventory would be sweet!

deathshroud · 22nd July 2010, 18:23

UO style inventory is needed for MO i cant wiat

Deddarus · 22nd July 2010, 18:31

UO inventory gives more options to thievery implementations

Turkis · 22nd July 2010, 18:37

chess ftw, I'm not even good at it and I'm excited.

Narrat · 22nd July 2010, 18:37

please, please, please don't make my click-and-drag a thousand times a day. That mechanic in DFO played a bigger role in me leaving than any of the other problems that game had.

mini-games, on the other hand, would be cool.

codyw9524 · 22nd July 2010, 18:38

Everyone loves UO's inventory......

...Me too!! I hope this is really on the way!

Bigg · 22nd July 2010, 18:46

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Originally Posted by codyw9524

Everyone loves UO's inventory......

Not I sir.

While I would say the UO inventory is marginally better than what we have now its far from ideal. *Click-click-click-click....* all day long is not my idea of a good time. I'd rather have some actual strategy behind game-play rather than a mindless bury fest.

Kuroi · 22nd July 2010, 18:47

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Originally Posted by Bigg

Not I sir.

While I would say the UO inventory is marginally better than what we have now its far from ideal. *Click-click-click-click....* all day long is not my idea of a good time. I'd rather have some actual strategy behind game-play rather than a mindless bury fest.

what you mean?

Bigg · 22nd July 2010, 18:59

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Originally Posted by Kuroi

what you mean?

I'm talking about the common task of burying your good items under 30 other things to make it a bit more difficult to steal/loot.

Kopatch · 22nd July 2010, 18:59

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Originally Posted by Henrik Nystrom

We are getting flash support as we speak via Epic Games, they are doing the merge and testing it for us, we wont touch it untill they are done with that. Then we simply need to work on the actual flash content, which is a pretty fast process so Im hoping to see this ingame not to far away. We have to bare with the old GUI untill then. This flash support also adds some other small fun stuff such as mini games (board games, chess), UO inventory will be doable with that and so on.

bestestest news ever!

Lagoon · 22nd July 2010, 19:18

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Originally Posted by Bigg

Not I sir.

While I would say the UO inventory is marginally better than what we have now its far from ideal. *Click-click-click-click....* all day long is not my idea of a good time. I'd rather have some actual strategy behind game-play rather than a mindless bury fest.

Try and play an armorcrafter and you'll see how much a UO-style inventory is foundamental for the player's nerves. Of course the lack of description of the materials and styles of each armor peice doens't help, but the possibility to store items in bags would be very welcome.

Also, we still have no idea how stealing will work with such a system, maybe they planned something to make the "hide valuables under crap" technique useless. and even if it will have some use, nothing forces you to use such technique, maybe you'll have other ways to protect yourselves from thieves.

roidanielsen · 22nd July 2010, 19:23

Am I the only one here who did not play UO? xD

I tried DFO though, is it the same inventory system?

Kuroi · 22nd July 2010, 19:26

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Originally Posted by roidanielsen

I tried DFO though, is it the same inventory system?

yes

roidanielsen · 22nd July 2010, 19:27

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Originally Posted by Kuroi

yes

Ah okay. Thanks :P

fungos · 22nd July 2010, 19:31

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Originally Posted by Bigg

I'm talking about the common task of burying your good items under 30 other things to make it a bit more difficult to steal/loot.

Yeah, that is the best thing ever! lololol

Zolten · 22nd July 2010, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Morthi

It does ,faster the combat is faster player have to react and needs to aim quicker and that requires skills and lots of practice my friend, if you want chess style pvp go play chess instead.

I want combat that takes thought and intelligence not reaction speed. What you want is Dark Fall PVP Sir.

codyw9524 · 22nd July 2010, 19:45

Let's not tell everyone about hiding their valuables in a UO style inventory...

And no I don't think everyone already knows. I played Siege and was suprised at how many people didn't use this technique which had been around for years.

Deddarus · 22nd July 2010, 19:49

i want trapped containers too pls .. wanna hear the shrieks of pain as the nooby thief gets a cloud of acid blown in has face for sticking his thieving fingers in the wrong bag

metavision · 22nd July 2010, 19:50

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Originally Posted by Daric

I would've thought you knew better than this. I don't want to derail this awesome thread but that is a terrible misconception that needs to stop. Yes, 1 second ping is a big deal, but with client-side hitboxes and UE's prediction system all that matters is what is on your screen. Definitely needs some optimization of the netcode, but a serparate server is a horrible idea. Besides, who would fill this new server?

PS- Thanks for the info ITT, Henrik.

No...

There is a difference. I constantly get hit in-game, before I see the animation of them swinging. I've altered my gameplay to anticipate more, but most the time, it isn't accurate enough. Also, it is impossible to dodge a horse the latencies effect gameplay. I can be standing behind a tree and still get a trample effect.. not kewl.

I can actually out maneuvered my opponent and be been standing BEHIND him a good distance and still take dmg, then.. see him swing.

I'm in Ann Arbor Michigan on a good pipeline(200 ping). So, in-the-end, my acuities are not played out in-game and feel lethargic, because of the hit detection... which doesn't track my my swift moves, accurately enough. It's frustrating and real problem.

So... there is a big difference between EU play and US play. Please respect that when people ask about it...

Tizio · 22nd July 2010, 19:59

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Originally Posted by metavision

No...

There is a difference. I constantly get hit in-game, before I see the animation of them swinging. I've altered my gameplay to anticipate more, but most the time, it isn't accurate enough. Also, it is impossible to dodge a horse the latencies effect gameplay. I can be standing behind a tree and still get a trample effect.. not kewl.

I can actually out maneuvered my opponent and be been standing BEHIND him a good distance and still take dmg, then.. see him swing.

I'm in Ann Arbor Michigan on a good pipeline(200 ping). So, in-the-end, my acuities are not played out in-game and feel lethargic, because of the hit detection... which doesn't track my my swift moves, accurately enough. It's frustrating and real problem.

So... there is a big difference between EU play and US play. Please respect that when people ask about it...

Lol this is a "bug" for euro people too, is not a US only lag problen

Thaeric · 22nd July 2010, 20:13

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Originally Posted by Henrik Nystrom

Its needed to add a larger amount of clothes yes.
Right now we are working on some guild tabards/banners for our slot we already have working in game but disabled tabards and banners for the time being. What we need now is pretty much to skin the guild tabards/banners, add our guild logo support which also is ready and in use "invisible" on some of the armor part already

So this will get in the game very soon.
Should help Guild ID and war strategics.

Thank god

maybe the end of mis-id'd combat

evilduck · 22nd July 2010, 20:13

hi meta...

that is not a us only problem (or overseas only problem)... we here in germany have the same problem. you dont have to do pvp to notice it... its the same with mobs...
so im thinking that there is indeed room for a lot of optimization, but an us server will not solve the problem for you and me but divide the comunitiy of a niche game with a pretty small playerbase...

greets

evilduck

metavision · 22nd July 2010, 20:25

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Originally Posted by evilduck

hi meta...

that is not a us only problem (or overseas only problem)... we here in germany have the same problem. you dont have to do pvp to notice it... its the same with mobs...
so im thinking that there is indeed room for a lot of optimization, but an us server will not solve the problem for you and me but divide the comunitiy of a niche game with a pretty small playerbase...

greets

evilduck

Notice how I didn't ask for that^ (separate server)?

I just asked that people respect the US player's concerns, because there is a definite disadvantage. Also the reason why I am unconcerned about Myrland (my house) and am instead, choosing to wait for the new continent to call home, because it might be here in US.

So then, I will have the advantage... and not care about the woes of the people who get owned on in the new world.

I'm willing to wait a year, to shine.

Daric · 22nd July 2010, 20:26

Meta,

Yeah, essentially this is a problem with either the netcode or the hardware that's running it. Basically, if a character is in hit range on your screen, you can hit him. He may be ten yards away from you on his, but it's what you see that matters. The problem with this is it only allows for aggressive combat as you cannot really play defensively when you cannot be certain where you are on your opponents screen.

The same problem can be visualized easier when you log in to the game in a crowded area and it takes a while for the server to tell your client where everybody is in game and people slowly pop up on your screen. Same thing when you're riding a horse and people pop up in front of you just a few feet away when you should've seen them many seconds before. The code or the hardware that's running is not efficiently updating the clients. While a 1 second ping wouldn't be the best to play on, 1 second is relatively fast and you'd see a much faster response in the gameplay if that was the only issue at hand.

Cheith · 22nd July 2010, 20:26

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Originally Posted by metavision

No...

There is a difference. I constantly get hit in-game, before I see the animation of them swinging. I've altered my gameplay to anticipate more, but most the time, it isn't accurate enough. Also, it is impossible to dodge a horse the latencies effect gameplay. I can be standing behind a tree and still get a trample effect.. not kewl.

I can actually out maneuvered my opponent and be been standing BEHIND him a good distance and still take dmg, then.. see him swing.

I'm in Ann Arbor Michigan on a good pipeline(200 ping). So, in-the-end, my acuities are not played out in-game and feel lethargic, because of the hit detection... which doesn't track my my swift moves, accurately enough. It's frustrating and real problem.

So... there is a big difference between EU play and US play. Please respect that when people ask about it...

Still a big NO to a separate server for the US, then of course one for australasia and one for south east asia, china, india and don't forget africa, south america. GIVE ME A BREAK.

EVE manages this. You just have to design the system to cope. It means no relying on twitch type combat and server side hit detection. There are enough crappy FPS games out there to go and play if you want twitch.
Cheers,
C.

metavision · 22nd July 2010, 20:58

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Originally Posted by Cheith

Still a big NO to a separate server for the US, then of course one for australasia and one for south east asia, china, india and don't forget africa, south america. GIVE ME A BREAK.

EVE manages this. You just have to design the system to cope. It means no relying on twitch type combat and server side hit detection. There are enough crappy FPS games out there to go and play if you want twitch.
Cheers,
C.

You're new... you might not know, but there is mention that each new continent within the game (6 are planned) will physically be placed in different parts of the world, so that ALL players have equal use, etc..

roidanielsen · 22nd July 2010, 21:00

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Originally Posted by metavision

You're new... you might not know, but there is mention that each new continent within the game (6 are planned) will physically be placed in different parts of the world, so that ALL players have equal use, etc..

Im new. Source on this?

zpullin · 22nd July 2010, 21:06

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Originally Posted by roidanielsen

Im new. Source on this?

Yea, they said they MIGHT have it so one continent is run on a NA server and when you cross continents you move over to the EU server.

roidanielsen · 22nd July 2010, 21:13

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Originally Posted by zpullin

Yea, they said they MIGHT have it so one continent is run on a NA server and when you cross continents you move over to the EU server.

Yeah that's fine. Any official source on this?

zpullin · 22nd July 2010, 21:20

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Originally Posted by roidanielsen

Yeah that's fine. Any official source on this?

This has been talked about for over a year now. Can't point you to the original source, but people who have been around for a while have heard it a lot and I think its not just some random rumor, but its also probably way off in the future at this stage of the game. I imagine they will want to finalize Myrland and get their current server problems fixed first, and probably try to develop a larger sub base before they start opening new continents on connected servers.

fariic · 22nd July 2010, 22:36

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Originally Posted by Henrik Nystrom

We are getting flash support as we speak via Epic Games, they are doing the merge and testing it for us, we wont touch it untill they are done with that. Then we simply need to work on the actual flash content, which is a pretty fast process so Im hoping to see this ingame not to far away. We have to bare with the old GUI untill then. This flash support also adds some other small fun stuff such as mini games (board games, chess), UO inventory will be doable with that and so on.

Thanks!

This pretty much what I was told flash support would allow, and has me pretty excited.

Thank you much for the reply.

Portia · 23rd July 2010, 00:35

Never before have I seen such an acutely named thread: this thread is certainly full of epic update.

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Daric Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2010 Posts: 108 Rep Power: 3	Meta, Yeah, essentially this is a problem with either the netcode or the hardware that's running it. Basically, if a character is in hit range on your screen, you can hit him. He may be ten yards away from you on his, but it's what you see that matters. The problem with this is it only allows for aggressive combat as you cannot really play defensively when you cannot be certain where you are on your opponents screen. The same problem can be visualized easier when you log in to the game in a crowded area and it takes a while for the server to tell your client where everybody is in game and people slowly pop up on your screen. Same thing when you're riding a horse and people pop up in front of you just a few feet away when you should've seen them many seconds before. The code or the hardware that's running is not efficiently updating the clients. While a 1 second ping wouldn't be the best to play on, 1 second is relatively fast and you'd see a much faster response in the gameplay if that was the only issue at hand. __________________ Daric - www.prophecyguild.net

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codyw9524 Junior Member Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 106 Rep Power: 2	Let's not tell everyone about hiding their valuables in a UO style inventory... And no I don't think everyone already knows. I played Siege and was suprised at how many people didn't use this technique which had been around for years.

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evilduck Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Germany - Rhein Main Area Age: 44 Posts: 162 Rep Power: 3	hi meta... that is not a us only problem (or overseas only problem)... we here in germany have the same problem. you dont have to do pvp to notice it... its the same with mobs... so im thinking that there is indeed room for a lot of optimization, but an us server will not solve the problem for you and me but divide the comunitiy of a niche game with a pretty small playerbase... greets evilduck

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