Lost sucked - Page 2

gbrish · 25th July 2010, 23:37

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Originally Posted by HardGay

yeah.... i don't know if you think you're debating me, but you're not.

Not everything is a debate you know.

"and i don't really know what kids watch today, but i think everybody always says "what i used to do >>>> what kids these days do". we had a lot of shitty cartoons too."

I see an attempt to convince but where is the conclusion? I guessing you mean to say that (our cartoons are not better than cartoons today) which would be a conclusion to your argument.

So I could lay the argument out like this.

1. we had a lot of shitty cartoons
2. (therefore our cartoons are not better)

There is an argument present. We did have a lot of shitty cartoons, this is true. But your conclusion lacks context, better for who? Better for us or kids? What is better depends on who you talk to.

I accepted you premise but I don't agree with your conclusion. That's of course if there was a conclusion to begin with. I wasn't really debating as much as trying to make a point that what is "better" is relative. So I don't understand your point unless you mean that you agree with me.

Lelldorin · 25th July 2010, 23:41

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Originally Posted by LightsabeR

Yeah, I know... I'm a bit behind with the whole Lost thing. Since it was one of the "big" TV shows I never followed I decided to start watching it a couple of months ago.

Right now I finished watching the last episode and... well... the fuck?! Did the writers just get bored or something? Why end the show like that? Why leave so many loose ends?

I want 80 hours of my life back!

/end rant

I never watched an episode, thought it sucked, but the ending was almost as bad as when Pam found Bobby in the shower :P

HardGay · 26th July 2010, 00:38

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Originally Posted by gbrish

So I don't understand your point unless you mean that you agree with me.

lawlz, yes i mean that i agree with you. you're not arguing/debating against me.

your characterization of my statement, the second point particularly (therefore our cartoons are not better), isn't accurate.

Amarll · 26th July 2010, 08:38

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Originally Posted by gbrish

Those shows are all have the nostalgia factor. It doesn't matter how bad the show was if it reminds you of your youth you will like it. If you were to look at them from an outsiders perspective they were all pretty dumb in their own way, much like if you were to look at most of todays cartoons, however I still believe old cartoons >>>>> the crap kids watch today.

I never saw californication, is it that good? mostly in my spare time I drink listen to music, play games and browse the internets, not enough time for tv, sometimes Ill watch the occasional movie .. next on my list to watch is Black Dynamite.

Sorry for the late reply, but if you, excuse me*ahem*, "arrggg" the last three seasons of it, they would be worth a watch. They are relatively short at around ~30 minutes each and no commercials. They are pretty funny and filled with boobs and a witty writer, that has all the right comments.

Its really funny.

Lachrymose · 26th July 2010, 18:46

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Originally Posted by LightsabeR

Yeah, I know... I'm a bit behind with the whole Lost thing. Since it was one of the "big" TV shows I never followed I decided to start watching it a couple of months ago.

Right now I finished watching the last episode and... well... the fuck?! Did the writers just get bored or something? Why end the show like that? Why leave so many loose ends?

Here's why: http://www.oldeenglish.org/podcast/writers-of-lost

I never watched Lost myself. I've heard a ton of people tell me how awesome it is, but then when they start explaining it I can't help think it sounds completely retarded.

LightsabeR · 26th July 2010, 18:58

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Originally Posted by Lachrymose

Here's why: http://www.oldeenglish.org/podcast/writers-of-lost

That seems about right.

Anyway, watching Dexter now, currently at season 2 episode 6. It's far better than Lost.

aceshot890 · 26th July 2010, 18:59

Imothe best shows out Now are entourage , breaking bad ,mad men.

Lachrymose · 26th July 2010, 19:01

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Originally Posted by LightsabeR

That seems about right.

Anyway, watching Dexter now, currently at season 2 episode 6. It's far better than Lost.

I just finished watching Prison Break. It was pretty cool, although like most series, the first couple seasons were the best. It's only 4 seasons though, so it's not quite as long as most others.

Nataraya · 26th July 2010, 19:06

try "the wire" ,. imho 1000 times better than Dexter;
also "Sons of Anarchy" no bad at all, "The Tudor" might interest some of you too.
ps: spanish tv is crap x)

LightsabeR · 26th July 2010, 19:07

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Originally Posted by Nataraya

try "the wire" ,. imho 1000 times better than Dexter;
also "Sons of Anarchy" no bad at all, "The Tudor" might interest some of you too.
ps: spanish tv is crap x)

Yeah, prolly gonna check out The Wire after finishing with Dexter or when Dexter gets boring. The Wire's been on my "to watch list" for quite a while.

bcrankshaw · 26th July 2010, 19:10

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Originally Posted by Lachrymose

Here's why: http://www.oldeenglish.org/podcast/writers-of-lost

I never watched Lost myself. I've heard a ton of people tell me how awesome it is, but then when they start explaining it I can't help think it sounds completely retarded.

It hasn't been explained to you very well then
I also don't understand why people are confused by the ending..the last season explains and answers about 85 % of all questions. Yes they do leave some things up to you but hey thats the beauty of imagination
Here is my summary of Lost ...
DON'T READ THIS IF YOU WANT TO WATCH LOST ..MAJOR SPOILERS !!!!

The whole series of Lost is about the island and what the island represents
The island is the home to the garden of eden\fountain of life . A cave that contains an energy where all life came from .Since the dawn of mankind certain people volunteer to protect this source of absolute power. They gain certain powers and can live for hundreds of years but they are also responsible to find a successor .
The plane crashes on the island because the current keeper ,Jacob ,needs to find a successor..a worthy successor. You can't be forced to be keeper of the Garden of Eden ..you must volunteer
Thats the plot simply explained ....the Smoke Monster is just a result of a bad choice Jacob made .
The last season has 2 themes in it...in one it is about the continuation from Season 5 .
The other theme is about Jack ...he dies at the end of Season 6 and this is his fantasy\spiritual journey before he crosses over to the next level . He sees everyone he knows from the island as that was the most important part of his life ..the time he spent on the island . I found it quite reassuring that everyone found true love when they died

What serious plot questions weren't answered and what is confusing ?

Lachrymose · 26th July 2010, 19:15

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Originally Posted by bcrankshaw

It hasn't been explained to you very well then

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Originally Posted by bcrankshaw

The whole series of Lost is about the island and what the island represents
The island is the home to the garden of eden\fountain of life . A cave that contains an energy where all life came from .Since the dawn of mankind certain people volunteer to protect this source of absolute power. They gain certain powers and can live for hundreds of years but they are also responsible to find a successor .
The plane crashes on the island because the current keeper ,Jacob ,needs to find a successor..a worthy successor. You can't be forced to be keeper of the Garden of Eden ..you must volunteer
Thats the plot simply explained ....the Smoke Monster is just a result of a bad choice Jacob made .
The last season has 2 themes in it...in one it is about the continuation from Season 5 .
The other theme is about Jack ...he dies at the end of Season 6 and this is his fantasy\spiritual journey before he crosses over to the next level . He sees everyone he knows from the island as that was the most important part of his life ..the time he spent on the island . I found it quite reassuring that everyone found true love when they died

Haha, you didn't do a good job of proving that the series doesn't sound retarded... quite the opposite really. I never really planned on watching it though. Like I said, I'm sure it's pretty entertaining, but I don't really care to spend 80+ hours of my life to see it for myself.

Mukan · 26th July 2010, 19:16

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Originally Posted by bcrankshaw

DON'T READ THIS IF YOU WANT TO WATCH LOST ..MAJOR SPOILERS !!!!

The whole series of Lost is about the island and what the island represents
The island is the home to the garden of eden\fountain of life . A cave that contains an energy where all life came from .Since the dawn of mankind certain people volunteer to protect this source of absolute power. They gain certain powers and can live for hundreds of years but they are also responsible to find a successor .
The plane crashes on the island because the current keeper ,Jacob ,needs to find a successor..a worthy successor. You can't be forced to be keeper of the Garden of Eden ..you must volunteer
Thats the plot simply explained ....the Smoke Monster is just a result of a bad choice Jacob made .
The last season has 2 themes in it...in one it is about the continuation from Season 5 .
The other theme is about Jack ...he dies at the end of Season 6 and this is his fantasy\spiritual journey before he crosses over to the next level . He sees everyone he knows from the island as that was the most important part of his life ..the time he spent on the island . I found it quite reassuring that everyone found true love when they died

And that doesn't sound absolutely retarded to you?

It does to me.

bcrankshaw · 26th July 2010, 19:21

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Originally Posted by Lachrymose

Haha, you didn't do a good job of proving that the series doesn't sound retarded... quite the opposite really. I never really planned on watching it though. Like I said, I'm sure it's pretty entertaining, but I don't really care to spend 80+ hours of my life to see it for myself.

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Originally Posted by Mukan

And that doesn't sound absolutely retarded to you?

It does to me.

lol....I suppose reading it if I never watched the series it might sound dumb...but you have to watch the whole series to understand the complexity of my post ..lol
Its really entertaining ...I promise

Lachrymose · 26th July 2010, 19:27

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Originally Posted by bcrankshaw

lol....I suppose reading it if I never watched the series it might sound dumb...but you have to watch the whole series to understand the complexity of my post ..lol
Its really entertaining ...I promise

I've heard this all many times before.

Lelldorin · 26th July 2010, 19:33

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Originally Posted by Lachrymose

Here's why: http://www.oldeenglish.org/podcast/writers-of-lost

I never watched Lost myself. I've heard a ton of people tell me how awesome it is, but then when they start explaining it I can't help think it sounds completely retarded.

Lol my thoughts exactly, and how the stretched the story out for so long is totally beond me

HardGay · 26th July 2010, 20:32

like i've said in other lost threads, if you watch the show all at once on dvd's or on your computer you're missing out on a huge part of why lost was so great. the mysteries and all of the questions that were brought up gradually as the show aired did a lot to create a social/communal aspect to the show. you would talk about what you thought was going on with your friends during the week leading up to the next episode, and you'd read and discuss things online with people who were doing the same thing. if you don't have that outlet to ask questions, and put forward your own answers and read other peoples' answers, i can see the mystery of the show being a lot more frustrating.

i just burned through breaking bad and the wire, and i completely avoided any discussion of them since i didn't want any spoilers. i loved both of those series, but if i had done the same with lost i would have missed a lot of the "experience".

i don't necessarily mean this as a real defense of lost, since it's annoying and retarded to say "well you didn't experience the show the correct way (the way i experienced it) so your opinion of it is invalid". you should be able to enjoy a tv show however you watch it, and i sat down and re-watched the first few seasons of lost with my ex to get her into it and she loved it, so it just comes down to diff'rent strokes.

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Originally Posted by bcrankshaw

The whole series of Lost is about the island and what the island represents

no it's not. not anymore than breaking bad is about cooking meth or the wire is about crime in baltimore. these shows aren't that simplistic.

Corwen · 27th July 2010, 06:16

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Originally Posted by HardGay

like i've said in other lost threads, if you watch the show all at once on dvd's or on your computer you're missing out on a huge part of why lost was so great.

Completely agree again

But hayturs gunna hait y0

bcrankshaw · 27th July 2010, 15:08

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Originally Posted by HardGay

would talk about what you thought was going on with your friends during the week leading up to the next episode, and you'd read and discuss things online with people who were doing the same thing. if you don't have that outlet to ask questions, and put forward your own answers and read other peoples' answers, i can see the mystery of the show being a lot more frustrating.
.

Well said..I was reflecting on the many reasons I enjoyed Lost and that was one I overlooked..the whole "discussing the show with friends and the mystique of the island "

Good Point

Rilman · 27th July 2010, 16:00

I got bored of all the details of the story not being explored or explained, I made it to the 3rd series, they just seemed to stick a load of crap in the storyline and then in the next episodes it was as if it never happened, I just found it annoying. If it was all explained after I stopped watching I don't care to watch it to find out, I already lost interest.

It was fairly obvious they were all already dead from quite early on although I half expected them to change that half way through and not bother explaining that either.

I like details and explanations in a storyline, not just to show you something and then gloss over it as if its not important, why bother showing you it in the first place?

HardGay · 27th July 2010, 16:05

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Originally Posted by Rilman

It was fairly obvious they were all already dead from quite early on

they weren't all dead though.

Rilman · 27th July 2010, 16:06

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Originally Posted by HardGay

they weren't all dead though.

oh ok, although I'm beyond caring now

As the plane snapped in half a few thousand feet up in the air I presumed they would be.

bcrankshaw · 27th July 2010, 16:55

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Originally Posted by Rilman

oh ok, although I'm beyond caring now

As the plane snapped in half a few thousand feet up in the air I presumed they would be.

lol...this is part of the issue with the animosity towards Lost ...the fact the show is misunderstood
But I know it doesn't make a difference to you now

LightsabeR · 27th July 2010, 16:58

I don't think I misunderstood it, I just don't like the way they wrapped the show up, how they filled the show with more and more unanswered questions every season and how they failed to answer a lot of them by the shows end.

Rilman · 27th July 2010, 16:59

I am curious, just not curious enough to sit through however many episodes of unexplained drivel I have left to watch.

Stingerslick · 27th July 2010, 17:04

I did like the original idea, whats not to like, they are lost on a desert island, no one knows why they are they, or how, then it just dragged on waay too long as the holywood producers milked it for every cent they could, totally ruined a decent show and made it a laughing stock, not the first time and wont be the last.

LightsabeR · 27th July 2010, 17:25

Just found this funny vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luXl7AnGpKw

While I can answer many of those "unanswered" questions in that vid, there are some huge one's that simply don't have an answer or have a fucking ridiculous explanation.

Meh... I just really hate the whole "purgatory universe" theory and that most of the weird stuff can just be explained by saying "it's magic" or "those are the island rules". Careless and unimaginative writing if you ask me.

HardGay · 27th July 2010, 18:30

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Originally Posted by Stingerslick

I did like the original idea, whats not to like, they are lost on a desert island, no one knows why they are they, or how, then it just dragged on waay too long as the holywood producers milked it for every cent they could, totally ruined a decent show and made it a laughing stock, not the first time and wont be the last.

well, the show wasn't really a laughing stock... rather, one of the most popular television shows in history.

Stingerslick · 27th July 2010, 18:56

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Originally Posted by HardGay

well, the show wasn't really a laughing stock... rather, one of the most popular television shows in history.

Lol ive lost count how many times ive seen this show sent up, the end was the icing on the cake

HardGay · 27th July 2010, 19:12

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Originally Posted by Stingerslick

ive lost count how many times ive seen this show sent up

rephrase that.

**Sebastian Persson** · 27th July 2010, 19:26

I rage-quit that show after watching the first season, all ep in a row (I was a student then, had time) and I have no plans on going back to it. Thou I am kinda interest in how it ended so please PM that to me so that I don't have to watch the rest of it.

Lagoon · 27th July 2010, 23:13

I saw half an episode and that was enough for me.

Here are the series I truly sincerely loved:

The 4400 (I was so depressed that they cancelled it)
24
Dr. House
Lie to Me

Anything below that level won't deserve my time

I somewhat liked Legend of the Seeker too, but I wouldn't put it on the same level of those above.
Maybe I'll give Dexter a try soon, should it fit my tastes?

LightsabeR · 27th July 2010, 23:26

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Originally Posted by Lagoon

Maybe I'll give Dexter a try soon, should it fit my tastes?

No idea really. I like House and Lie To Me and I also am currently enjoying Dexter. I didn't like 24 tho and I haven't seen The 4400.

I'd recommend checking out Life. It's a great show and I was so sad it got cancelled after the 2nd season. Luckily they tied the story up somewhat, tho it was rather rushed.

**Sebastian Persson** · 27th July 2010, 23:37

I recommend EVERYONE checks out Spartacus blood on sand, because it's pretty much the manliest man series ever to be created..by man.

Riondil · 27th July 2010, 23:37

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Originally Posted by Lagoon

Here are the series I truly sincerely loved

Don't watch Fox style shows that often (my wife does), but the last series I really enjoyed was "Space 2063 - Above and Beyond" ... wohoo, I was so thrilled about that and still am.

Other then that, "Buffy" of course

... that's about it and what I remember. I really don't watch TV series that often... (oh, I also liked the new Enterprise).

madsholme · 28th July 2010, 00:08

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Originally Posted by LightsabeR

Yeah, I know... I'm a bit behind with the whole Lost thing. Since it was one of the "big" TV shows I never followed I decided to start watching it a couple of months ago.

Right now I finished watching the last episode and... well... the fuck?! Did the writers just get bored or something? Why end the show like that? Why leave so many loose ends?

I want 80 hours of my life back!

/end rant

I loved the ending, it was in many ways moving and beautifull.. yes there were things we dident get answered, and yes the ending was a bit to religous, to me.. (i am a atheist).. But over all i think the ending was god, and it moved me!

LightsabeR · 28th July 2010, 00:15

That's the thing that bothered me. They took the easy way out. Made this whole touchy-feely emotional finale and avoided answering many of the big questions that the followers of the show had had for several seasons.

madsholme · 28th July 2010, 00:27

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Originally Posted by LightsabeR

That's the thing that bothered me. They took the easy way out. Made this whole touchy-feely emotional finale and avoided answering many of the big questions that the followers of the show had had for several seasons.

Thats not true, we got a lot of answeres, and some were hidden a bit.. BUt seriusly, did u expect to every small thing to be fleshed out? after all if there is no mystery it isent lost?

i agree though they could have done better, how ever i still like the ending. but mabye its just me getting soft with age

HardGay · 28th July 2010, 00:36

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Originally Posted by LightsabeR

That's the thing that bothered me. They took the easy way out. Made this whole touchy-feely emotional finale and avoided answering many of the big questions that the followers of the show had had for several seasons.

i think the problem is that they should have used the whole final season to answer questions gradually. that's not really what the finale should have been for. the finale should have been an emotional, touchy-feely farewell to a show that we fans have been following for years. and i think it did that very well.

the finale should answer the big question, and it did.

LightsabeR · 28th July 2010, 00:46

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Originally Posted by HardGay

i think the problem is that they should have used the whole final season to answer questions gradually. that's not really what the finale should have been for. the finale should have been an emotional, touchy-feely farewell to a show that we fans have been following for years. and i think it did that very well.

the finale should answer the big question, and it did.

Yeah, I guess I can agree with that. Still crappy work by the writers that they didn't use their time better to tie up more loose ends before the finale.

Oh well... no point in bickering about this really. There are those who liked it, there are those who hated it and there are those who don't really care anymore. I think I went from the 2nd to the 3rd group about a day after watching the finale.

Edit:
on a side note, Dexter season 3 is sort of rubbing me the wrong way. He keeps having visions of his dad talking to him, giving him advice and shit. Why is something like that needed? *sigh*

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LightsabeR Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Estonia Age: 25 Posts: 7,563 Rep Power: 0	I don't think I misunderstood it, I just don't like the way they wrapped the show up, how they filled the show with more and more unanswered questions every season and how they failed to answer a lot of them by the shows end. __________________

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LightsabeR Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Estonia Age: 25 Posts: 7,563 Rep Power: 0	Just found this funny vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luXl7AnGpKw While I can answer many of those "unanswered" questions in that vid, there are some huge one's that simply don't have an answer or have a fucking ridiculous explanation. Meh... I just really hate the whole "purgatory universe" theory and that most of the weird stuff can just be explained by saying "it's magic" or "those are the island rules". Careless and unimaginative writing if you ask me. __________________

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Rilman Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Great Blighty Posts: 1,641 Rep Power: 0	I got bored of all the details of the story not being explored or explained, I made it to the 3rd series, they just seemed to stick a load of crap in the storyline and then in the next episodes it was as if it never happened, I just found it annoying. If it was all explained after I stopped watching I don't care to watch it to find out, I already lost interest. It was fairly obvious they were all already dead from quite early on although I half expected them to change that half way through and not bother explaining that either. I like details and explanations in a storyline, not just to show you something and then gloss over it as if its not important, why bother showing you it in the first place?

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