RP Enforcement? No 'leet' names? - Page 3

Kurtmo · 21st April 2009, 09:07

I'm not a big one for telling people what they can do.

At the same time I am an RPer and one without vast amounts of patience. I can deal with names like "Kill Dagger" or "Fat Johnny" but I just can't stand names with numbers or strange symbols.

I agree with Danach, how many people do you see walking around named "Jack43435" ? or "^ Urs" ? I guess what I want to know is why people enjoy having names like that? You don't have to be an RPer to have a plain name or even a clever nickname. Something even like "Johnny Cab" (a Total Recall reference) wouldn't really bother me.

I just don't understand the hostilities between RPers and non-RPers. I completely agree with Rapier17. We aren't all a bunch of Buddy Holly frame wearing, pocket protector using eggheads with absurd amounts of acne who can't get a date. Yes, RP "nazis" have made standards that only their groups could possibly ever live up to. Those aren't the people that naming standards would be for. I don't even like them. They are no different than RP griefers. They seek groups of people who are doing something they think is wrong or stupid and they harrass them for it. Fun. I know I like to play games for the express reason of ruining it for others.

Claw · 21st April 2009, 14:18

Yup i hate those name also, but if you are paying for game you can make whatever you want with your character and name.Anyways who cares.. just ignore that "1337" nicks.

Gisel · 21st April 2009, 14:45

This threads leads to nothing. Flaming back and forth is meaningless.
And the devs have allready decided how this is gonna be, or allready have an generall idea, since pretty much all new games have almost the same rules.

Edelheit · 21st April 2009, 16:47

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Originally Posted by Lachrymose

i think there should be no numbers or symbols of any kind, and a limit on how many spaces you can have in the name (maybe 2 max). other than that, i'd say people should be allowed to create their name as they see fit, so long as it isn't offensive in any way.

honestly, i'd rather see people running around with names like pwnzor, than for everyone to be running around with forced, generic sounding RP safe names. i'd rather see people get creative with their names, but that's just my personal preference. it'd be impossible to please everyone, so this is another issue where the devs will just have to draw the line somewhere.

I agree completely with you here. People should be able to name their toons whatever they want, as long as they are not offensive. Alternatively, if there were an RP server then that would solve a lot of the RPers worries (as well as spare the non-RPers from the inevitable complaining that would ensue whenever anything happened that could be considered to disturb RP).

Regardless of how you spend your time in the game, whether you be RP or non-RP focused, your playstyle should not impact on anyone elses in an adverse way. This is a double edged sword, as RPers saying taht people can't name thier toons, 'cap'npwnz' is the same as a non-RPer griefing an RP event. Both are going out of their ways to inconvenience others.

Especially considering that this game has no hovering names, it is very easy to avoid breaking RP by talking with cap'npwnz (as he/she will no doubt not be an RPer in the first place).

monstruo696 · 21st April 2009, 22:07

Just prevent people from using numbers in their names. Problem solved, if someone wants to u\seriously use, "Tochma Buteh", let them.

Warfist · 21st April 2009, 22:13

I don't usually play on role-playing servers but sometimes it's nice to get away from the immature community that sometimes decides to step into your main server and play with some other cool individuals. I agree that names should be enforced to an extent, what I wouldn't want to see is every name needing a "Sir <random lore fitting name>" or something like that.

But I think it would be great to enforce names as long as it's not too lenient and not too strict.

lordshade · 21st April 2009, 22:47

People using l337 names are good indicators of; how do i see an idiot, kid/adult with behavior of a 5 year old.

So yes, RP enforcement FTW. ( All servers)

Kurtmo · 22nd April 2009, 01:01

I don't necessarily understand where people get the notion that simply for the fact that people pay for the game they should be allowed to do whatever they want...

If I go out and pay for a gun and bullets, that doesn't mean I am allowed to shoot it off wherever I want. If I go buy Monopoly I shouldn't be allowed to just take money from the bank whenever I want. Games have rules. If you play such a lore heavy game you should perhaps be expected to follow naming rules. Maybe not, but that is something that should be and is up to the developers.

I personally would like to see no numbers or symbols (except, of course, hyphens and apostrophies). No excessive repeats on lettering would be nice but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one.

2Luke2 · 22nd April 2009, 01:48

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Originally Posted by Mendrak

Will there be any kind of naming enforcement? Guild or character name-wise.
I currently play Age of Conan on the Cimmeria server, which is RP ruleset enforced. This means you can petition the GMs if you see names like "scoobydoo" or "leetkiddy" etc, or Guild names with similar effect.
After playing games like WoW and UO which had no naming restrictions it was a sweet relief to have realistic names in an MMO.

Please please please .... make them have some type of fantasy name... Nothing takes me out of the game more than watching some guy run across my screen named 12bucklemyshoe or the like.

Warspawn · 22nd April 2009, 02:25

They should definately enforce some sort of name ruleset. Have folks put a bit of effort into their characters and online identity.

Playing Darkfall now, and it's really disappointing in a fantasy realm to see Chuck N0rriZ and LegolURass running around. At least I can kill them and punish them for poluting the environment...

Another thing to consider are the professional farmers, hackers and griefers. They will try to pick names very hard to report. We have ascii names in DF who are professional farmers using DamnCheaters hacks to grab gear/gold and sell it for real-life currency. Names like Ooo000oo 11llIII00oo are just as bad for this type of activity...

Mendrak · 26th April 2009, 00:12

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Originally Posted by Warspawn

They should definately enforce some sort of name ruleset. Have folks put a bit of effort into their characters and online identity.

Playing Darkfall now, and it's really disappointing in a fantasy realm to see Chuck N0rriZ and LegolURass running around. At least I can kill them and punish them for poluting the environment...

Another thing to consider are the professional farmers, hackers and griefers. They will try to pick names very hard to report. We have ascii names in DF who are professional farmers using DamnCheaters hacks to grab gear/gold and sell it for real-life currency. Names like Ooo000oo 11llIII00oo are just as bad for this type of activity...

I've seen a few games who had the problem with farmers using names with "asdfasdf" or combination thereof. As suggested already, a detection of no more than two consonants in a row could fix a lot of this problem though.

Zhatan · 26th April 2009, 20:27

Yes I hope they enforce RP names. But not too harsh, the question is where to dra the line. I was once(in EQ2) named Zathoz Archbastard and they changed it for me to something really lame. I didnt think it was a horrible name as my character was just that.

The question is what should be allowed and what shouldnt.

Azrael STX · 27th April 2009, 04:18

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Originally Posted by Lachrymose

i think there should be no numbers or symbols of any kind, and a limit on how many spaces you can have in the name (maybe 2 max). other than that, i'd say people should be allowed to create their name as they see fit, so long as it isn't offensive in any way.

honestly, i'd rather see people running around with names like pwnzor, than for everyone to be running around with forced, generic sounding RP safe names.

This sounds like a reasonable compromise.

Vanth · 27th April 2009, 14:06

Didn't anyone like my idea I posted earlier in this thread? I thought it solved the issue quite nicely.

Azrael STX · 27th April 2009, 17:16

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Originally Posted by Vanth

Didn't anyone like my idea I posted earlier in this thread? I thought it solved the issue quite nicely.

The best RP game out there, a MUD called Harshlands, has the most realistic naming system I know. When you make your character, you have to write both a long and short description, and when someone talks with or sees you do something, they see your short description instead of your name. For example, the first time you hear someone, it could be something like "A pale, green-eyed man says "Hello.""

The chat system was very similar to Mortal Online's. No global chat, whispering only if the two people were very close, and nearby people with the Listening skill had a chance to overhear select bits of the conversation. The point is, in order to talk to them, you'd have to use "/whisper green-eyed" until they told you their actual name or alias (which was amusing if you gave them a false name, they'd know you were lying but couldn't do anything about it in-character).

I'd much rather see people's default names be a short description, or even just "Unknown," before I'd want them to show up as "P23164". It seems like it would be pretty immersion breaking.

ssmsaiyan99 · 27th April 2009, 17:20

best way to solve is 2 ways

1. No numbers or sybols
2. Only the first letter may be capitalized to prevent names like this "FiRsT nAmE" (If last names are permitted then the 1st letter of the last name may be capitolized.

This will fix alot but not everything. If someone wants a dumb name you cant really stop em. But you can at least prevent rediculous spelling

ssmsaiyan99 · 27th April 2009, 17:23

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Originally Posted by Azrael STX

The best RP game out there, a MUD called Harshlands, has the most realistic naming system I know. When you make your character, you have to write both a long and short description, and when someone talks with or sees you do something, they see your short description instead of your name. For example, the first time you hear someone, it could be something like "A pale, green-eyed man says "Hello.""

I like this idea as well and IMO would work very well in MO

Connacht · 27th April 2009, 17:40

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Originally Posted by Vanth

Now, here comes the fun bit. Allow all occurences of the name to be right clickable with a 'rename' option. This could be in the chat window or in the target list or wherever. Then you rename the person to a name of your choice, which only you can see. Probably a /rename command would be good too.

Ignoring the fact that people will want to pick their own names and have those names be known to others, I don't think this would work very well. How do you respond to someone's trade offer, for example, if they can't be called by name? Simply contacting someone would be made difficult by the simple fact that you couldn't see their name.

However maybe people should be required to tell others their name before you can actually see it, given that such a thing would be more realistic. However the more restrictions you add, the harder it will be for someone to break into the community.

As far as naming goes, let me preface my comments by saying that I'm currently a guild leader for another upcoming MMO and when I started my guild, I set what I thought were pretty simple naming standards. Basically I just asked that people chose actual names. No numbers, symbols, words, or multiple words strung together. Preferably I was looking for Greco/Roman names (which are very easy to find) but was willing to take any name that didn't offend the basic idea of choosing an actual name.

To my great surprise, many people had trouble with this simple request. I got applications from people that included all manner of violations of my naming rules, though only a small number refused to change their names at my request. One of those people explicitly told me that he wouldn't change his name because he thought it was funny to have someone read "You were killed by Fairyflower" and get irritated as a result. That's not the mindset I wanted, so his application ended up being rejected.

Choosing a name says a lot about who you are and how seriously you take the game, and like it or not, having a name like "Pwnstar" or "IluvDots" or "ChckNorisFTW" is the quickest way to destroy immersion for other people. And that's why people name themselves such things. They just want to goof off and intentionally bother other people because they think it's funny. I've never understood that mentality myself, but it's quite prominent in almost every other MMO.

Note also that I say immersion and not roleplay, which are two different things. Someone not interested in roleplay might still enjoy the atmosphere created by roleplayers or simply by an atmosphere populated by people with names that fit the game world's lore, and if they're really lucky, freedom from exposure to the latest Chuck Norris jokes. The good news with MO is that someone who goes around acting like a jackass might quickly find himself dead and stripped naked of his belongings while the rest of us look the other way.

I don't think it's requesting much that people choose an actual name for their characters. Frankly, forcing people to adopt actual names (for which there are millions, if not billions of possibilities) is doing them and others a favor. How you implement something like this is another issue, but I very much like the idea of forcing people to pick actual names as part of an overall forcus on creating a more mature atmosphere.

People aren't going to give up on playing MO just because they can't name themselves something ridiculous, but I know plenty of people who've stopped playing other MMOs for no other reason than the atrocious community.

Cradlejoe · 27th April 2009, 19:27

I really don't like these "Leet" names, as you call them, but I have to say that some people like their name like that.
If they will be an RP enforced server then fine, no "Leet" names as a rule. But on normal servers I think it's perfectly okay.
Don't like seeing the name? Think it spoils your immersion? I guess it's really realistic to want to find out everyones name anyway...

Connacht · 27th April 2009, 19:39

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Originally Posted by Cradlejoe

I really don't like these "Leet" names, as you call them, but I have to say that some people like their name like that.
If they will be an RP enforced server then fine, no "Leet" names as a rule. But on normal servers I think it's perfectly okay.
Don't like seeing the name? Think it spoils your immersion? I guess it's really realistic to want to find out everyones name anyway...

I would be willing to compromise with such a set-up, but that just depends on how many servers they intend to run.

Seeing a "l33t" name does spoil my immersion quite a bit. Maybe instead of banning these names, the gods could act disfavorably towards such people, encouraging them to "change their name" by visiting misfortune upon them?

Maybe the gods get "confused" and flag them as murderers while they are around lots of people....

Kurtmo · 28th April 2009, 01:44

I like the notion Connacht, but where do you draw the line? Suddenly, you have a name the GMs don't like and they can flag you a murderer. Who is playing this game, anyways?

I agree that enforcing a naming policy is better than not. You are never going to get rid of Chk Nor Is. Unless you have all names reviewed by the GMs. Which I don't want and I don't think anyone else wants.

I intend to RP. I am a member of Kindred Rising, the Half-Orc RP guild. My characters name will be Zoddreg Mol. His nickname will therefore be "Zod." Suddenly my name is now in danger of being passed over because it contains a Superman II villains name in it. So, I don't want GMs to review names. Still, if I can possibly avoid seeing II||!!11 walking around the streets of Vica Mercato, I would prefer a letter based naming policy.

Vanth, I considered your idea and it would be likeable except for the fact that you'd still have people telling others that there name is Chuck Norris. You'd also see a random assortment of numbers designating a character on a server everytime you walked up to someone new. That is possibly a worse immersion killer than leet names...

Grunties · 28th April 2009, 02:56

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Originally Posted by Shinzon

The harder you try and push everyone away, the harder they will spring back towards you. If you really want to get along, you need to integrate non-RP facts into your RP.

And yet, we are all equally guilty of it. If not with our playstyles, then with the company we keep... by forming guilds in which we surround ourselves with those we value, and distancing ourselves from those we do not.

When faced with the opportunity to integrate, to breach that wall we have put up, we realize that doing so invalidates the very reason why the wall was put up in the first place - To establish an environment where one can be valued and have a meaningful role amongst his and her peers and to surround ourselves with a certain standard of conduct. If that goal cannot be met without the wall, does integrating for the sake of getting along have any value? For what value do we have if we cut out what seperates us?

I would imagine asking an rp'er to integrate non-rp into their game would be not unlike asking an exclusive guild to open its doors to all invites. Sort of defeats the purpose for its existence.

But perhaps you already understand this, and only meant to comment on the futility of trying to get along. In which case, I agree.

Connacht · 28th April 2009, 04:10

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Originally Posted by Kurtmo

I like the notion Connacht, but where do you draw the line? Suddenly, you have a name the GMs don't like and they can flag you a murderer. Who is playing this game, anyways?

Honestly, I would be happy if people could not put numbers or symbols in their names and could only capitalize the first letter in their names.

Sure they might name themselves something like Pwnerman, but that's much less offensive to me than "PWNERMAN1!1!"

Where do you draw the line? I'm not sure. Maybe the best thing to do would be to offer an RP server where players could report names that didn't fit with the lore and let community RP reps decide if a name violates a naming policy.

From what I understand, however, you will only be able to see the names of people in your immediate vicinity and only on your screen when your targeting reticle is put over their avatar. So that might take a lot of the frustration away by simply not having to see floating names of people.

Rhombus · 28th April 2009, 23:31

IMO any game that aims to create a believable world that doesn't require believable names is shooting itself in the foot. The design of any game requires you to choose from a set of races, features, clothing, weapons and skills that have finite limits which fit into the world in a sensible manner. For some reason the tradition in games has been to allow the players to completely break all of that carefully crafted continuity by choosing any random set of characters for their name.

This is not simply an RP issue, it is an overall design choice. If the designers really want an immersive and consistent world then they need to put controls on naming the same way that they do any other aspect of character creation.

There are plenty of databases of typical RL and fantasy racial names out there, I think the designers should decide which ones are most appropriate for the different MO races and use them. At character creation a person should have a choice of 1,000 or so appropriate first names for any given race along with some smaller choice of optional appropriate family/clan names.

Why spend the time crafting a work of art only to let punks spray graffiti all over it?

Severn · 29th April 2009, 04:34

I am in for the name restriction thing to a point. I guess you would have to take it on a case by case basis.

I make it a point to not help anyone with a "leet" name and will typically join in the fun of beating them stupid all over the game world when the opportunity presents.

Given a choice and the availability, I would prefer to have a RP server to play on. I can avoid the "leets" of the world and they can avoid me.

Presenting an RP only server will go along ways to appease both sides of the issue.

Kurtmo · 29th April 2009, 09:30

Nicely said Rhombus. I like the last line especially.

I don't agree with limiting which names people can choose at all though. Yes, it would solve the problem in question, but it would also kill player individuality. I already have a name chosen for my character and doubt it would make your 1000 name list (by race). It isn't offensive nor would it break immersion and so I see NO reason why I shouldn't be able to use it.

I'd almost rather see "Ch'Ucknor Ris" than have to pick off a list...

Rhombus · 29th April 2009, 21:42

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Originally Posted by Kurtmo

I don't agree with limiting which names people can choose at all though. Yes, it would solve the problem in question, but it would also kill player individuality. I already have a name chosen for my character and doubt it would make your 1000 name list (by race). It isn't offensive nor would it break immersion and so I see NO reason why I shouldn't be able to use it.

I'd almost rather see "Ch'Ucknor Ris" than have to pick off a list...

Thanks Kurtmo

The idea of picking from name lists is something that I would have balked at once too. Playing AoC is actually what changed my mind on that. Cimmerians are based on Celtic culture, Aquilonians - Roman, Stygian - Egyptian. Instead of doing my usual thing of making up a name I went to the name lists available on the web and picked race appropriate names that mean the thing I wanted to name my characters. Rather than limiting me it opened up a huge new source of much more interesting names than I had ever thought of on my own. And those names show respect for the world I am playing in.

But I can certainly see both sides of the argument here. However they choose to do it, a level of control over names is critical for the world they build if they intend to maintain it's Quality.

Kurtmo · 30th April 2009, 10:14

Yes, you went to a third party webpage and researched your name, though. You did it, not the devs of AoC. See what I mean?

I want to see immersion saving full character names too, but I don't think that people's names should be dictated to them. Its an ultimate dilemma. Not even from 1000 possibilities.

Vorgarag · 30th April 2009, 11:01

just dont allow Numbers and alt Random Characters and a specific length on your main name and create a last name system that allows characters and numbers and Spaces for sake of people putting The 3rd or something so people can have a name if u are going to start sending a Tells Gorst but last name so they can have everyone know that They are Gorst The pwner

overall my only issue with names is when u are just talking and the name is like Ÿetaž or something along those lines that and is u try to talk to them or friend them or invite them or anything with the name u gotta go through all the trouble of figuring out what special combination is gonna allow u to create that symbol besides that pwner or 1337 is no problem I laugh at it. hell ive made a character named lololololololol just for the hell of it cause I was bored just cause there is those people that get butthurt by names... which really mean nothing I just think trading or interacting and such will be harder with names like XxXšuckahXxX

Kurq · 15th May 2009, 18:18

The problem is some ppl don't have enough creativity to come up with original names so they copy write or use leet names, I for one know that one of my friends that's gunna play with me is gunna use a leet name cos he doesn't have a creative bone in his body

Talime · 16th May 2009, 06:07

hm i think if someone decide to play on a rp realm he has to accept all the rules there, so if he wants to play a character named "shadowkiller" and "bottleofbeer" he has to play on a normal server.

i think there is just no argument for players which wants to play on rp servers but doesen´t wants to accept the rules.

so i realy hope there are name restritcions like they are in lord of the rings online and not restrictions like in wow

Hobo992 · 16th May 2009, 07:03

The name i have always tried to use for any game is Hobo992. I do not flame or anything more then aniything I'm a lone wolf most of the time. I just made it up one day, that's all. No trying to be leet(I made it before I knew what leet was). Not everyone with numbers in there name is going to me a jerk. I'll deal with anything they stop me from useing it to play the game and it's what were here for everything else is just extra.

(I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything so sry if this post upsets you.)

2ez · 16th May 2009, 07:18

I really hope they do not enforce names (within reason), I am not a rp at all I just enjoy the game for the aspects (sort of like uo). Why must my lack of imagination be punished because my name is normal? As long as the name is clean I see no harm in having non rp names...

Chunkymilk · 16th May 2009, 09:15

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Originally Posted by Joszek

That is a good reason to grief 24/7 players with dumb nicks.

Indeed. Just more people to kill right?

hardknocks · 16th May 2009, 09:16

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Originally Posted by Akumaka

Having names which make sense and are not 'leet' helps to immerse people into the game world. It lets people completely give themselves over to their imagination and enjoy it. Imagine if you were watching or reading Lord of the Rings and one of the main characters was named "Sir_L33t_a_lot" or some such nonsense.

^this.

Kurtmo · 16th May 2009, 11:21

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Originally Posted by 2ez

I really hope they do not enforce names (within reason), I am not a rp at all I just enjoy the game for the aspects (sort of like uo). Why must my lack of imagination be punished because my name is normal? As long as the name is clean I see no harm in having non rp names...

"Clean." What do you mean? Not offensive (as in bigotry)?

It is kindof a bogus argument, mate. You can go online and find 50 name generators. You can probably find 50 RP safe name generators. Lack of creativity or inspiration isn't a good excuse.

You don't RP. Okay. I know alot of people in the real world who don't RP and they have regular names and surnames. Why do you think that is? People, generally, take naming things seriously (unless you are Frank Zappa). I, for one, would physically assault my parents if they named me "Moonunit." If I was alive back in 1831 and discovered some mountain or river in the American West, I wouldn't name it 1337 Creek or Mount Pwnzb!tchz.

Creativity has almost nothing to do with it. Use a real name. John Smith. Jeff Carlisle. Maxine LeFleur. Brent Dachlund. C.J. O'
Hanna....or even a descriptive nickname: Fast Max, Quick-Draw Frank, Ironhands. You know English. Take a plain first name and put two freakin words together. George Ironforge. Felix Goodspeed. Carnie Applebottom.

I personally have always ENJOYED naming my characters anything that actually means something. Something to do with your guild. Something to do with your bloodline. Something that your friend said at school.

It just isn't hard at all to do. You don't have to RP to have a regular name. Why does it have to be RP with "Jonathan Coranander" or non-RP with "SuprKllBot666?"

Syff · 16th May 2009, 12:31

MO is a pretty hardcore game.
So i think you don't have to worry

Lamiosa · 17th May 2009, 03:25

If it comes to names... you sometimes can see how old someone is depending what names shows up. If there is a "133tkill0r" then you know his age is equal to the length of his name.

manestone · 17th May 2009, 03:55

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Originally Posted by 2ez

I really hope they do not enforce names (within reason), I am not a rp at all I just enjoy the game for the aspects (sort of like uo). Why must my lack of imagination be punished because my name is normal? As long as the name is clean I see no harm in having non rp names...

I'm agree sort of. I think l33t names and stuff like that is annoying but does it have to be a real name.

For instance, in my games my 2 most common names are Manestone and t0nk
Now neither of these names are "real" names but I think either of them would be acceptable in MO *assuming t0nk was changed to Tonk*

Slize · 17th May 2009, 04:50

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Originally Posted by NoneSuch

1. No numbers

2. Limited number of letters

3. No more than 2-3 of the same letter next to one another to avoid names like nnnnnnnnoooooobbbbbb

totally agree but would add, forced first big letter and only one spacebar so someone can give a last name too if he wants.

peace

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Kurtmo Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minnesota Age: 25 Posts: 560 Rep Power: 0	I'm not a big one for telling people what they can do. At the same time I am an RPer and one without vast amounts of patience. I can deal with names like "Kill Dagger" or "Fat Johnny" but I just can't stand names with numbers or strange symbols. I agree with Danach, how many people do you see walking around named "Jack43435" ? or "^ Urs" ? I guess what I want to know is why people enjoy having names like that? You don't have to be an RPer to have a plain name or even a clever nickname. Something even like "Johnny Cab" (a Total Recall reference) wouldn't really bother me. I just don't understand the hostilities between RPers and non-RPers. I completely agree with Rapier17. We aren't all a bunch of Buddy Holly frame wearing, pocket protector using eggheads with absurd amounts of acne who can't get a date. Yes, RP "nazis" have made standards that only their groups could possibly ever live up to. Those aren't the people that naming standards would be for. I don't even like them. They are no different than RP griefers. They seek groups of people who are doing something they think is wrong or stupid and they harrass them for it. Fun. I know I like to play games for the express reason of ruining it for others. __________________ Kurmo Mul'Dar, Artificer - Kindred Haven, Part of the Kindred. "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." - Publius Syrius

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Gisel Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Age: 21 Posts: 94 Rep Power: 0	This threads leads to nothing. Flaming back and forth is meaningless. And the devs have allready decided how this is gonna be, or allready have an generall idea, since pretty much all new games have almost the same rules. __________________ I won

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monstruo696 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 673 Rep Power: 0	Just prevent people from using numbers in their names. Problem solved, if someone wants to u\seriously use, "Tochma Buteh", let them. __________________ ENTIRE CLAN IS BABIES! My avatar and signature are the result of many hours of touching myself at night. And a lack of a proper image editing program. Mostly the former than the latter.

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lordshade Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Netherlands Posts: 663 Rep Power: 0	People using l337 names are good indicators of; how do i see an idiot, kid/adult with behavior of a 5 year old. So yes, RP enforcement FTW. ( All servers) __________________ Player: type : anti pker / crafter Prefer: Crafting and warfare/politics What i do : Aiming to be a good crafter and to kick some pkers ass Attitude: An helpful dominant player. What do i hate? Carebears and griefers ,elitelists and adults who act like 12 year olds. What do i disgust: People with no respect My aim: To be a good crafter and have a place in the battlefields along with a player city/fotress to kick some butt against competive enemy guilds.

22nd April 2009, 01:01	#88 (permalink)
Kurtmo Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minnesota Age: 25 Posts: 560 Rep Power: 0	I don't necessarily understand where people get the notion that simply for the fact that people pay for the game they should be allowed to do whatever they want... If I go out and pay for a gun and bullets, that doesn't mean I am allowed to shoot it off wherever I want. If I go buy Monopoly I shouldn't be allowed to just take money from the bank whenever I want. Games have rules. If you play such a lore heavy game you should perhaps be expected to follow naming rules. Maybe not, but that is something that should be and is up to the developers. I personally would like to see no numbers or symbols (except, of course, hyphens and apostrophies). No excessive repeats on lettering would be nice but I wouldn't hold my breath on that one. __________________ Kurmo Mul'Dar, Artificer - Kindred Haven, Part of the Kindred. "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." - Publius Syrius

21st April 2009, 14:18	#82 (permalink)
Claw Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Myrland. Guild:Erden Tribe PlayStyle:Rp/PvP Posts: 1,458 Rep Power: 0	Yup i hate those name also, but if you are paying for game you can make whatever you want with your character and name.Anyways who cares.. just ignore that "1337" nicks.

21st April 2009, 22:13	#86 (permalink)
Warfist Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Post Falls, Idaho Posts: 148 Rep Power: 0	I don't usually play on role-playing servers but sometimes it's nice to get away from the immature community that sometimes decides to step into your main server and play with some other cool individuals. I agree that names should be enforced to an extent, what I wouldn't want to see is every name needing a "Sir <random lore fitting name>" or something like that. But I think it would be great to enforce names as long as it's not too lenient and not too strict.

22nd April 2009, 02:25	#90 (permalink)
Warspawn Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 21 Rep Power: 0	They should definately enforce some sort of name ruleset. Have folks put a bit of effort into their characters and online identity. Playing Darkfall now, and it's really disappointing in a fantasy realm to see Chuck N0rriZ and LegolURass running around. At least I can kill them and punish them for poluting the environment... Another thing to consider are the professional farmers, hackers and griefers. They will try to pick names very hard to report. We have ascii names in DF who are professional farmers using DamnCheaters hacks to grab gear/gold and sell it for real-life currency. Names like Ooo000oo 11llIII00oo are just as bad for this type of activity...

26th April 2009, 20:27	#92 (permalink)
Zhatan Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Sweden Age: 27 Posts: 311 Rep Power: 0	Yes I hope they enforce RP names. But not too harsh, the question is where to dra the line. I was once(in EQ2) named Zathoz Archbastard and they changed it for me to something really lame. I didnt think it was a horrible name as my character was just that. The question is what should be allowed and what shouldnt.

27th April 2009, 14:06	#94 (permalink)
Vanth Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: The underworld Posts: 893 Rep Power: 0	Didn't anyone like my idea I posted earlier in this thread? I thought it solved the issue quite nicely.

27th April 2009, 17:20	#96 (permalink)
ssmsaiyan99 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 371 Rep Power: 0	best way to solve is 2 ways 1. No numbers or sybols 2. Only the first letter may be capitalized to prevent names like this "FiRsT nAmE" (If last names are permitted then the 1st letter of the last name may be capitolized. This will fix alot but not everything. If someone wants a dumb name you cant really stop em. But you can at least prevent rediculous spelling __________________ In Devs we trust... Some fan art from me http://www.mortalonline.com/forums/a...d-wood-elf.jpg http://i204.photobucket.com/albums/b...allproject.jpg

27th April 2009, 19:27	#99 (permalink)
Cradlejoe Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: England Posts: 1,863 Rep Power: 0	I really don't like these "Leet" names, as you call them, but I have to say that some people like their name like that. If they will be an RP enforced server then fine, no "Leet" names as a rule. But on normal servers I think it's perfectly okay. Don't like seeing the name? Think it spoils your immersion? I guess it's really realistic to want to find out everyones name anyway...

28th April 2009, 01:44	#101 (permalink)
Kurtmo Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minnesota Age: 25 Posts: 560 Rep Power: 0	I like the notion Connacht, but where do you draw the line? Suddenly, you have a name the GMs don't like and they can flag you a murderer. Who is playing this game, anyways? I agree that enforcing a naming policy is better than not. You are never going to get rid of Chk Nor Is. Unless you have all names reviewed by the GMs. Which I don't want and I don't think anyone else wants. I intend to RP. I am a member of Kindred Rising, the Half-Orc RP guild. My characters name will be Zoddreg Mol. His nickname will therefore be "Zod." Suddenly my name is now in danger of being passed over because it contains a Superman II villains name in it. So, I don't want GMs to review names. Still, if I can possibly avoid seeing II\|\|!!11 walking around the streets of Vica Mercato, I would prefer a letter based naming policy. Vanth, I considered your idea and it would be likeable except for the fact that you'd still have people telling others that there name is Chuck Norris. You'd also see a random assortment of numbers designating a character on a server everytime you walked up to someone new. That is possibly a worse immersion killer than leet names... __________________ Kurmo Mul'Dar, Artificer - Kindred Haven, Part of the Kindred. "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." - Publius Syrius

28th April 2009, 23:31	#104 (permalink)
Rhombus Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Chicago Age: 53 Posts: 62 Rep Power: 0	IMO any game that aims to create a believable world that doesn't require believable names is shooting itself in the foot. The design of any game requires you to choose from a set of races, features, clothing, weapons and skills that have finite limits which fit into the world in a sensible manner. For some reason the tradition in games has been to allow the players to completely break all of that carefully crafted continuity by choosing any random set of characters for their name. This is not simply an RP issue, it is an overall design choice. If the designers really want an immersive and consistent world then they need to put controls on naming the same way that they do any other aspect of character creation. There are plenty of databases of typical RL and fantasy racial names out there, I think the designers should decide which ones are most appropriate for the different MO races and use them. At character creation a person should have a choice of 1,000 or so appropriate first names for any given race along with some smaller choice of optional appropriate family/clan names. Why spend the time crafting a work of art only to let punks spray graffiti all over it? Last edited by Rhombus : 28th April 2009 at 23:52.

29th April 2009, 04:34	#105 (permalink)
Severn Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: High Point, N.C. USA Age: 37 Posts: 71 Rep Power: 0	I am in for the name restriction thing to a point. I guess you would have to take it on a case by case basis. I make it a point to not help anyone with a "leet" name and will typically join in the fun of beating them stupid all over the game world when the opportunity presents. Given a choice and the availability, I would prefer to have a RP server to play on. I can avoid the "leets" of the world and they can avoid me. Presenting an RP only server will go along ways to appease both sides of the issue.

29th April 2009, 09:30	#106 (permalink)
Kurtmo Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minnesota Age: 25 Posts: 560 Rep Power: 0	Nicely said Rhombus. I like the last line especially. I don't agree with limiting which names people can choose at all though. Yes, it would solve the problem in question, but it would also kill player individuality. I already have a name chosen for my character and doubt it would make your 1000 name list (by race). It isn't offensive nor would it break immersion and so I see NO reason why I shouldn't be able to use it. I'd almost rather see "Ch'Ucknor Ris" than have to pick off a list... __________________ Kurmo Mul'Dar, Artificer - Kindred Haven, Part of the Kindred. "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." - Publius Syrius

30th April 2009, 10:14	#108 (permalink)
Kurtmo Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Minnesota Age: 25 Posts: 560 Rep Power: 0	Yes, you went to a third party webpage and researched your name, though. You did it, not the devs of AoC. See what I mean? I want to see immersion saving full character names too, but I don't think that people's names should be dictated to them. Its an ultimate dilemma. Not even from 1000 possibilities. __________________ Kurmo Mul'Dar, Artificer - Kindred Haven, Part of the Kindred. "Everything is worth what its purchaser will pay for it." - Publius Syrius

30th April 2009, 11:01	#109 (permalink)
Vorgarag Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 4 Rep Power: 0	Idea just dont allow Numbers and alt Random Characters and a specific length on your main name and create a last name system that allows characters and numbers and Spaces for sake of people putting The 3rd or something so people can have a name if u are going to start sending a Tells Gorst but last name so they can have everyone know that They are Gorst The pwner overall my only issue with names is when u are just talking and the name is like Ÿetaž or something along those lines that and is u try to talk to them or friend them or invite them or anything with the name u gotta go through all the trouble of figuring out what special combination is gonna allow u to create that symbol besides that pwner or 1337 is no problem I laugh at it. hell ive made a character named lololololololol just for the hell of it cause I was bored just cause there is those people that get butthurt by names... which really mean nothing I just think trading or interacting and such will be harder with names like XxXšuckahXxX Last edited by Vorgarag : 30th April 2009 at 11:08.

15th May 2009, 18:18	#110 (permalink)
Kurq Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Nambour, Australia Age: 20 Posts: 186 Rep Power: 0	The problem is some ppl don't have enough creativity to come up with original names so they copy write or use leet names, I for one know that one of my friends that's gunna play with me is gunna use a leet name cos he doesn't have a creative bone in his body

16th May 2009, 06:07	#111 (permalink)
Talime Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Germany Age: 25 Posts: 974 Rep Power: 0	hm i think if someone decide to play on a rp realm he has to accept all the rules there, so if he wants to play a character named "shadowkiller" and "bottleofbeer" he has to play on a normal server. i think there is just no argument for players which wants to play on rp servers but doesen´t wants to accept the rules. so i realy hope there are name restritcions like they are in lord of the rings online and not restrictions like in wow

16th May 2009, 07:03	#112 (permalink)
Hobo992 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Canada Eh! Posts: 51 Rep Power: 0	The name i have always tried to use for any game is Hobo992. I do not flame or anything more then aniything I'm a lone wolf most of the time. I just made it up one day, that's all. No trying to be leet(I made it before I knew what leet was). Not everyone with numbers in there name is going to me a jerk. I'll deal with anything they stop me from useing it to play the game and it's what were here for everything else is just extra. (I'm not trying to be a jerk or anything so sry if this post upsets you.)

16th May 2009, 07:18	#113 (permalink)
2ez Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Edmonton, Canada Age: 26 Posts: 136 Rep Power: 0	I really hope they do not enforce names (within reason), I am not a rp at all I just enjoy the game for the aspects (sort of like uo). Why must my lack of imagination be punished because my name is normal? As long as the name is clean I see no harm in having non rp names... __________________ 2ez is a PVP guild based souly on PVP. If you are interested in joining us please msg me. Thanks.

16th May 2009, 12:31	#117 (permalink)
Syff Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Netherlands Age: 22 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 0	MO is a pretty hardcore game. So i think you don't have to worry

17th May 2009, 03:25	#118 (permalink)
Lamiosa Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Germany Posts: 140 Rep Power: 0	If it comes to names... you sometimes can see how old someone is depending what names shows up. If there is a "133tkill0r" then you know his age is equal to the length of his name.

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