MO best sandbox game of 2011?

Lahuzer · 21st December 2011, 10:44

MO is currently leading the votes for best sandbox game of 2011. Spread your love for it there as well won´t ya.

http://sandboxer.org/?p=354

Dennis131 · 21st December 2011, 10:46

We need two of these.

sunshiner · 21st December 2011, 11:41

ofc we do

Lahuzer · 21st December 2011, 13:11

Can never have to many.

But I missed that one. And it shouldn't be in off topic. This is very much ON topic with MO.

Aezreal · 21st December 2011, 14:13

never even heard of this website.

SOFWarrior · 21st December 2011, 15:27

Got my vote!

**Henrik Nystrom** · 22nd December 2011, 16:18

I hope you vote for us!!

Tizio · 22nd December 2011, 16:28

ofc!

edit: what the heck! eve is winning :angry:

deathshroud · 22nd December 2011, 18:21

well eve has more people playing not sure if mo can win now tbh

sunshiner · 22nd December 2011, 18:52

second place after eve is just fine too, eve is a good game.

Mycke · 22nd December 2011, 19:53

Im not so sure about 2011, but..

I'm pretty sure it will be the best of 2012 hands down

Achi||es · 22nd December 2011, 20:35

voted!

Xoltor · 22nd December 2011, 20:52

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Originally Posted by sunshiner

second place after eve is just fine too, eve is a good game.

exactly, you cannot beat eve with much much less features.

sunshiner · 22nd December 2011, 22:19

ye^^, we will se about next year thou

ThaBadMan · 22nd December 2011, 22:25

Voted, looking good

deathshroud · 23rd December 2011, 04:01

still a second palce wouldnt be to shabby, although it looks like only MO EVE and Darkfall players actually view the site

MonkeySputum · 23rd December 2011, 05:43

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Originally Posted by sunshiner

second place after eve is just fine too, eve is a good game.

LIES eve is a terrible game. This is why I came to MO.

realnaste · 23rd December 2011, 20:54

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LIES eve is a terrible game. This is why I came to MO.

C'mon. EVE is maybe not for everyone (I really dislike it because there is almost no real control over the ship you are "piloting" and I have never been a fan of manager games), but for what it tries to be it does really good in my opinion.

Lahuzer · 23rd December 2011, 21:25

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Originally Posted by realnaste

C'mon. EVE is maybe not for everyone (I really dislike it because there is almost no real control over the ship you are "piloting" and I have never been a fan of manager games), but for what it tries to be it does really good in my opinion.

I agree completly. The only thing I have against the game is that you don´t feel like your piloting the ship. I was having high hopes for, I think it was called Jumpgate Evolution or something. It looked to be like a EVE with you actually piloting the ships. But I think that one got cancelled or something. But EVE still have many other things going for it.

realnaste · 23rd December 2011, 21:28

Well...maybe we will live long enough for something like infinity to be actually reliesed?
But looking at the direction at which games and development is going, I'd say chances are rather slim

Lahuzer · 23rd December 2011, 21:31

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Originally Posted by realnaste

Well...maybe we will live long enough for something like infinity to be actually reliesed?
But looking at the direction at which games and development is going, I'd say chances are rather slim

I also tried Black Prophecy, and although the great feeling of controlling the ship, it lacked in every other compartment. The end game sucked, and it was just same type of missions over and over. Got bored really fast. But it could get good if they have 1-2 years more to work on content. I have a eye on Infinity as well, but it seems to progress so slowly.

realnaste · 23rd December 2011, 21:37

Is there any progress at all? I thought the project is dead.

Lahuzer · 23rd December 2011, 22:41

I checked the site the other day, and now again. last they updated it was in august. that´s why I thought it was slow, and it´s still listed as being released next year I think. http://www.infinity-universe.com/Infinity/index.php

Shinzon · 23rd December 2011, 22:42

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Originally Posted by Lahuzer

I also tried Black Prophecy, and although the great feeling of controlling the ship, it lacked in every other compartment. The end game sucked, and it was just same type of missions over and over. Got bored really fast. But it could get good if they have 1-2 years more to work on content. I have a eye on Infinity as well, but it seems to progress so slowly.

Search for Infinity: The Quest For Earth, it's going to blow your mind.

Lahuzer · 23rd December 2011, 22:45

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Originally Posted by Shinzon

Search for Infinity: The Quest For Earth, it's going to blow your mind.

Hehe, just a minute after my post.

realnaste · 23rd December 2011, 22:58

Somehow it looks dead to me. I mean...a year from release and soooo quiet?

Lahuzer · 23rd December 2011, 23:32

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Originally Posted by realnaste

Somehow it looks dead to me. I mean...a year from release and soooo quiet?

Yeah, it´s alittle worrying ofc. But maybe they work in secret to explode in our faces next year. I doubt it. But stranger things has happened. Like MO finally turning the tables and getting their shit together.

realnaste · 23rd December 2011, 23:47

Well. Here's hoping.

Wabbajack · 24th December 2011, 00:02

Nah they wont release next year. They are currently working on the engine to then sell it to get more money so they can develop the game.

Lahuzer · 24th December 2011, 00:03

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Originally Posted by Wabbajack

Nah they wont release next year. They are currently working on the engine to then sell it to get more money so they can develop the game.

At least it´s still alive then...

realnaste · 24th December 2011, 14:32

And back to the subject: DF above MO...some people don't know what a sandbox is I guess :P

Traveller_ · 24th December 2011, 14:58

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Originally Posted by sunshiner

second place after eve is just fine too, eve is a good game.

And please note that the most important feature of EVE that MO is sorely missing is its market and the fostered player-driven economy.

Henrik, please, please, the sooner a good local market is put into the game, the sooner NPC vendors can be taken out of the game. Once that happens we finally will have a serious player-driven economy. Once we reach that point, challenging EVE won't be just a dream.

realnaste · 24th December 2011, 15:02

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Once we reach that point, challenging EVE won't be just a dream.

We can't have a local market without players participating, and we won't have those without proper basic systems. SV knows we lack trading tools, but if there is no one to use them, they won't do much good right?
Besides- let's see what the new GUI brings.

Traveller_ · 24th December 2011, 15:14

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Originally Posted by realnaste

We can't have a local market without players participating, and we won't have those without proper basic systems.

Could you clarify what are you referring to? It seems to me that we have enough systems in place to activate player market. I am pretty sure I would be participating. Just consider how a market for raw materials and intermediate products would solve the whole "butchering is overpowered" whining, and the related inflation. Just imagine how easier would it be to craft if you were able to buy your ingredients in town from newbie gatherers instead of doing it yourself.

Granted, managing trade of crafted items is harder, and might require a more advanced kind of market, in addition to evaluation skills to be able to judge the quality of the item before the purchase. But is there really some reason not to start?

realnaste · 24th December 2011, 15:32

Most palyers leave MO after a few minutes "into" the game, which means struggling with a shitty UI and/or experiencing a shitty AI. (You wouldn't believe how many players can't figure out how to chop trees, because you drop the icon with the end of the mouse pointer, and not the icon it's self.)
Hunger and reserves, finding skills, figuring out how to make killed mobs useful, trading, getting money for things when selling stuff, consistence when it comes to right/left mouse buttons use, and many, many more need work, and to be intuitive.
Spawns not working, animals not reacting, animals with strange hitboxes, animals that are half inside you, animals behaving like they have a seizure, but somehow still inflicting damage to players, animals standing on their heads, flying animals and underground (invisible) animals, and many more...
I am used to everything from the list, but it's not hard to imagine this might scare away some (most) people.
So if we want them to stay long enough to participate in any economy, we need to make sure the issues are all solved.

deathshroud · 24th December 2011, 15:36

i think the lack of a tutorial is also a major factor there realnaste. with the your 2 mentioned issues

realnaste · 24th December 2011, 15:43

I never said a proper tutorial would cause harm. In fact I have a little bit of hope SV knows they need it and will implement at least a basic one with the new GUI.
A man can dream right?

*1st SPAWN*

Code:

"Welcome to the world of Nave"
Let's get you quickly started on your way.
First double tap tab. This will make your life easier, since the cross-hair will stay up allowing for easier targeting. 
Just remember to never use it for aiming in combat! Instead of just hitting everything in the centre of the screen, we have a much more sophisticated system in place. 
Hopefully you'll stay long enough to get the grasp of it!
Press TAB two times quickly in order to permanently enable the crosshair

*after the crosshair is on*

Code:

"Good job!- basic movement"
Now use your mouse to look around. 
thanks to the crosshair you will be able to see the names of the nearby players and NPCs, as well as their flag status (more on this later). 
You can move by using WSAD keys.
And don't worry about your speed. there are multiple skills as well as statistics that will increase your movement speed soon enough!
Now try to find the gathering tutor NPC. He shouldn't be far (It's that pretty guy with a large backpack). 
To interact with him press R.
Find the gathering tutor and press R while facing him to interact

*The dialogue menu appears*

Code:

"So far so good- skills"
MO incorporates a totally skill based system. 
That means that the classic "levels for experience points" system simulating the progression of a character is replaced with skills that can be learned and perfected by using. 
Once you obtain (learn) a skill, by performing it, you can master it, gradually increasing it's effectiveness, all the way to it's maximum (100). 
To learn how to chop wood choose the right dialogue option by clicking the left mouse button (LMB) on it .
Click the Left mouse button (LMB) on the "How do I chop wood?" dialogue option to get the woodcutting skill

stuff like this popping up at the right moment could help out soooo much

Still, maybe the new GUI won't be such an obstacle and a tutorial won't be as needed as it is today.

Artorius · 24th December 2011, 17:23

20/20 with Darkfall! Wtf!

realnaste · 24th December 2011, 21:43

MO actually jumped to 2nd place again. Not bad.

Shinzon · 24th December 2011, 23:04

As far as I see it; Darkfall is trying to change their design in order to stay afloat. Mortal Online is clinging to their design to stay afloat. There has been a steady trend of Mortal Online slowly but surely building steam, and this progress hasn't stopped or slowed down. If I was Aventurine I would be worried.

21st December 2011, 10:46	#2 (permalink)
Dennis131 Member Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Netherlands Age: 21 Posts: 1,690 Rep Power: 3	We need two of these. __________________

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sunshiner Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: denmark Posts: 965 Rep Power: 3	ofc we do __________________ CCP can try with it's EVE cash shop, Blizzard can try with its aversion to PvP and child-like dumb downs, but they all would have to work their asses off to be as insulting and virulent as the pile of flaming hell-shit that is SoE.

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Henrik Nystrom CEO Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 922 Rep Power: 15	I hope you vote for us!! __________________

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Tizio Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: North Italy Age: 22 Posts: 2,853 Rep Power: 4	ofc! edit: what the heck! eve is winning :angry: __________________ MortalItalia.com Italian Fansite! MortalPolitics.com

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SOFWarrior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 894 Rep Power: 3	Got my vote!

22nd December 2011, 18:21	#9 (permalink)
deathshroud Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Age: 28 Posts: 6,646 Rep Power: 6	well eve has more people playing not sure if mo can win now tbh __________________ there's two types of MMO, innovators and imitators.

22nd December 2011, 18:52	#10 (permalink)
sunshiner Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: denmark Posts: 965 Rep Power: 3	second place after eve is just fine too, eve is a good game. __________________ CCP can try with it's EVE cash shop, Blizzard can try with its aversion to PvP and child-like dumb downs, but they all would have to work their asses off to be as insulting and virulent as the pile of flaming hell-shit that is SoE.

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Mycke Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 1,968 Rep Power: 3	Im not so sure about 2011, but.. I'm pretty sure it will be the best of 2012 hands down __________________ The problem with building an online sandbox is that if no one is waiting in the box the sand will never come.

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Achi\|\|es Arena Champion Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: New York, NY Age: 26 Posts: 368 Rep Power: 3	voted! __________________ Credulous at best, your desire to believe in angels in the hearts of men. Pull your head on out your hippy haze and give a listen, shouldn't have to say it all again. The universe is hostile, so impersonal. Devour to survive, so it is. So it's always been.

22nd December 2011, 22:19	#14 (permalink)
sunshiner Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: denmark Posts: 965 Rep Power: 3	ye^^, we will se about next year thou __________________ CCP can try with it's EVE cash shop, Blizzard can try with its aversion to PvP and child-like dumb downs, but they all would have to work their asses off to be as insulting and virulent as the pile of flaming hell-shit that is SoE.

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ThaBadMan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Norway Age: 21 Posts: 2,509 Rep Power: 3	Voted, looking good __________________ A wise man does not fear, a man afraid does not think. Two little goblins out in the sun, down came a griffin, then there was one. The man who begs for mercy is a coward. Leave mercy for the man who begs the sword.

23rd December 2011, 04:01	#16 (permalink)
deathshroud Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Age: 28 Posts: 6,646 Rep Power: 6	still a second palce wouldnt be to shabby, although it looks like only MO EVE and Darkfall players actually view the site __________________ there's two types of MMO, innovators and imitators.

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realnaste Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,379 Rep Power: 4	Well...maybe we will live long enough for something like infinity to be actually reliesed? But looking at the direction at which games and development is going, I'd say chances are rather slim __________________

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realnaste Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,379 Rep Power: 4	Is there any progress at all? I thought the project is dead. __________________

23rd December 2011, 22:58	#26 (permalink)
realnaste Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,379 Rep Power: 4	Somehow it looks dead to me. I mean...a year from release and soooo quiet? __________________

23rd December 2011, 23:47	#28 (permalink)
realnaste Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,379 Rep Power: 4	Well. Here's hoping. __________________

24th December 2011, 00:02	#29 (permalink)
Wabbajack Banned Join Date: Dec 2011 Posts: 270 Rep Power: 0	Nah they wont release next year. They are currently working on the engine to then sell it to get more money so they can develop the game.

24th December 2011, 14:32	#31 (permalink)
realnaste Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,379 Rep Power: 4	And back to the subject: DF above MO...some people don't know what a sandbox is I guess :P __________________

24th December 2011, 15:32	#35 (permalink)
realnaste Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,379 Rep Power: 4	Most palyers leave MO after a few minutes "into" the game, which means struggling with a shitty UI and/or experiencing a shitty AI. (You wouldn't believe how many players can't figure out how to chop trees, because you drop the icon with the end of the mouse pointer, and not the icon it's self.) Hunger and reserves, finding skills, figuring out how to make killed mobs useful, trading, getting money for things when selling stuff, consistence when it comes to right/left mouse buttons use, and many, many more need work, and to be intuitive. Spawns not working, animals not reacting, animals with strange hitboxes, animals that are half inside you, animals behaving like they have a seizure, but somehow still inflicting damage to players, animals standing on their heads, flying animals and underground (invisible) animals, and many more... I am used to everything from the list, but it's not hard to imagine this might scare away some (most) people. So if we want them to stay long enough to participate in any economy, we need to make sure the issues are all solved. __________________

24th December 2011, 15:36	#36 (permalink)
deathshroud Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: UK Age: 28 Posts: 6,646 Rep Power: 6	i think the lack of a tutorial is also a major factor there realnaste. with the your 2 mentioned issues __________________ there's two types of MMO, innovators and imitators.

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realnaste Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: London Posts: 2,379 Rep Power: 4	MO actually jumped to 2nd place again. Not bad. __________________

24th December 2011, 23:04	#40 (permalink)
Shinzon Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 5,208 Rep Power: 4	As far as I see it; Darkfall is trying to change their design in order to stay afloat. Mortal Online is clinging to their design to stay afloat. There has been a steady trend of Mortal Online slowly but surely building steam, and this progress hasn't stopped or slowed down. If I was Aventurine I would be worried. __________________

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