Looking for guild.

Fyzzle · 15th April 2008, 16:11

Admittedly I do not have time to run a guild, however this is what I'm looking for in one:

I would like to be part of an internal "police" force. A guild that openly and decisively seeks and kills bots and gold farmers, in addition to griefers, etc.

Anyone else like me out there?

Seneca · 15th April 2008, 17:54

Two problems:

First - it needs a game mechanics that allows to grief bots. But since the game does not know whether it is a bot or a legit player - how do you prevent that people are getting perma griefed?

Second - they are bots, they do not care. One person can controll hundreds of toons and you would be busy 24/7 fighting programs. You will stop after a couple weeks while they keep spawning. Believe me, it will not work - we tried in other games.

The only ones who can efficiently fight bots would be the game developers by installing an outstanding monster AI and a handful of GMs perma scouting actively and swinging the ban hammer. First requires good designing skills, second is an expensive method.

The professional farmers however will allways find their ways to farm as long as there is money to make. And - the better the game the more players are willing to pay for extra advantages - which will result in the farmers becoming even more of a plague.

Also - do not underestimate the cash flow coming in with the farmers. So far no publisher could truly resist calculating with them...

If there is a way to fight them in MO however, we will not hesitate to go it.

Zarquon · 15th April 2008, 18:21

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Originally Posted by Fyzzle

Admittedly I do not have time to run a guild, however this is what I'm looking for in one:

I would like to be part of an internal "police" force. A guild that openly and decisively seeks and kills bots and gold farmers, in addition to griefers, etc.

Anyone else like me out there?

Legion shall slaughter bots. It will be one of the standing orders of the guild.

Fyzzle · 15th April 2008, 19:03

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Originally Posted by Seneca

Two problems:

First - it needs a game mechanics that allows to grief bots. But since the game does not know whether it is a bot or a legit player - how do you prevent that people are getting perma griefed?

The game won't know, but from experience, you can tell whether a toon is a bot or a person pretty easily.

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Originally Posted by Seneca

Second - they are bots, they do not care. One person can controll hundreds of toons and you would be busy 24/7 fighting programs. You will stop after a couple weeks while they keep spawning. Believe me, it will not work - we tried in other games.

However: If they come back a day later and find their bot naked and poor they are now out of pocket on all the resources required to have that bot run, and I am richer from taking all of his gold.

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Originally Posted by Seneca

The professional farmers however will allways find their ways to farm as long as there is money to make. And - the better the game the more players are willing to pay for extra advantages - which will result in the farmers becoming even more of a plague.

Not if the risk to the farmers is high enough. Supply and demand kicks in and people end up saying "I'd rather just get the gold myself"

We are given a rare opportunity to hinder these people, and I for one am going to take advantage of every opportunity to do so.

Seneca · 15th April 2008, 19:39

The higher the effort the higher the price for virtual gold. I have seen individual people paying tens of thousands of dollars to get an advantage over others. And that much money encourages someone to find a gap when he usually has 50 dollars a month for a living. 11 years mmog experience taught me that.

Fyzzle · 15th April 2008, 19:46

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Originally Posted by Zarquon

Legion shall slaughter bots. It will be one of the standing orders of the guild.

I'll keep an eye on the thread you started for more info. Thanks.

Pluro · 15th April 2008, 20:07

I would love to be a officer in a PKer guild

Neith · 15th April 2008, 20:57

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Originally Posted by Pluro

I would love to be a officer in a PKer guild

We are always looking for PKrs.

Killermandude · 15th April 2008, 21:10

Talking about forming guilds now will just drive you mad :P

Neith · 15th April 2008, 21:18

It could. With so many games to play in between time though, shouldnt drive us too mad.

Seneca · 15th April 2008, 21:56

We are not forming a guild, we are already one. Now it is up to the great maker of star vault to present us something worth hopping over in 09.

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Fyzzle Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 28 Rep Power: 1	Looking for guild. Admittedly I do not have time to run a guild, however this is what I'm looking for in one: I would like to be part of an internal "police" force. A guild that openly and decisively seeks and kills bots and gold farmers, in addition to griefers, etc. Anyone else like me out there?

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Seneca Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	Two problems: First - it needs a game mechanics that allows to grief bots. But since the game does not know whether it is a bot or a legit player - how do you prevent that people are getting perma griefed? Second - they are bots, they do not care. One person can controll hundreds of toons and you would be busy 24/7 fighting programs. You will stop after a couple weeks while they keep spawning. Believe me, it will not work - we tried in other games. The only ones who can efficiently fight bots would be the game developers by installing an outstanding monster AI and a handful of GMs perma scouting actively and swinging the ban hammer. First requires good designing skills, second is an expensive method. The professional farmers however will allways find their ways to farm as long as there is money to make. And - the better the game the more players are willing to pay for extra advantages - which will result in the farmers becoming even more of a plague. Also - do not underestimate the cash flow coming in with the farmers. So far no publisher could truly resist calculating with them... If there is a way to fight them in MO however, we will not hesitate to go it. Last edited by Seneca : 15th April 2008 at 18:09.

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Pluro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 174 Rep Power: 1	I would love to be a officer in a PKer guild __________________ The Unreal Engine 3 The Game will Run on this... its so sick

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Seneca Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	The higher the effort the higher the price for virtual gold. I have seen individual people paying tens of thousands of dollars to get an advantage over others. And that much money encourages someone to find a gap when he usually has 50 dollars a month for a living. 11 years mmog experience taught me that.

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Neith Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 73 Rep Power: 1	It could. With so many games to play in between time though, shouldnt drive us too mad.

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Seneca Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 9 Rep Power: 0	We are not forming a guild, we are already one. Now it is up to the great maker of star vault to present us something worth hopping over in 09.