The Little Things You'd Like To See - Page 2

Cartheron · 18th April 2008, 17:54

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Originally Posted by Artorius

Strong voice communication system! Now I know a lot of people out there still dont have a functionnal headset for online gaming but they should! I want to be abble to talk with my mic to players near me as I would in real-life (no group based voice communication). The farther they are, the louder I'll have to talk in order for them to hear me. I'm in a populous area such as a market ? I'll hear everyone talk, I want to talk in private with a friend ? We'll have to find a quiet place.

This. I love my voip in FPS team games, makes a hell of a lot of difference sometimes in co-ordinating attack and defence. Typing things out will get monotonous and annoying in what is supposed to be a somewhat FPS MMORPG.

Mats Persson · 18th April 2008, 17:59

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Originally Posted by Furai

I'm hoping that I can get alot of support on this thread and possibly have a few forum mods or devs take a look at it every so often.

Note: These are LITTLE things, not on the top of the to-do list, but some additions to the game that would just make it all around more fun. No huge implementations please...

I really like this thread, and thank you Furai for keeping it updated! This has been made into a sticky, and will continue to be so as long as it is maintained (as long as Furai keeps it updated).

For me as a developer it's nice to drop in here now and then to read about features that not require a total re-design of the game to be implemented

(Although some of them are waaaay to "big" as they require a lot of time although looking "small" in some peoples eyes.) Some of them are already in the game since the beginning, but I will continue to keep an eye open for new "little things" here. Thanks!

Rosco · 18th April 2008, 18:00

I would like to see a bounty system be put in place. In PVP type of game it's always nice to be able to put a price on someones head.

Dingo · 18th April 2008, 18:16

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Originally Posted by Nox Vortem

One big thing that nobody has mentioned is the weapon impact during combat. The thing that makes me lose my touch with Oblivion is the way characters swing their weapon like kids playing with plastic swords and hammers made out of foam! I want to see different feedbacks when I block against a sword from blocking a hammer blow.
A little swaying added to the bow being pulled (and the possibility of snapping off) will always spice up the First Person View action.

Yes, this.A lot of medieval First person RPGs have horrible/silly animations, thus making combat look like complete crap.

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Originally Posted by admiralnlson

Well, I actually like the graphics style we can witness in the trailer. IMO it would have looked foolish with spiked or 1-foot wide swords.

Yes I understand, but I am pretty sure they would be able to pull off exotic weapon look with their art style.AoC has some pretty damn nice weapons, and they don't look out of place or just plain redicuolus.

Killermandude · 18th April 2008, 18:57

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Originally Posted by Mats Persson

I really like this thread, and thank you Furai for keeping it updated! This has been made into a sticky, and will continue to be so as long as it is maintained (as long as Furai keeps it updated).

For me as a developer it's nice to drop in here now and then to read about features that not require a total re-design of the game to be implemented

(Although some of them are waaaay to "big" as they require a lot of time although looking "small" in some peoples eyes.) Some of them are already in the game since the beginning, but I will continue to keep an eye open for new "little things" here. Thanks!

Thanks for listening to the sticky suggestion
<3 <3

Sorjak · 18th April 2008, 18:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nox Vortem

One big thing that nobody has mentioned is the weapon impact during combat. The thing that makes me lose my touch with Oblivion is the way characters swing their weapon like kids playing with plastic swords and hammers made out of foam! I want to see different feedbacks when I block against a sword from blocking a hammer blow.
A little swaying added to the bow being pulled (and the possibility of snapping off) will always spice up the First Person View action.

I know for a fact Mount and Blade does this, when you hit someone who is blocking with a sword or a shield. It doesn't seem like it would be too hard to extend it to work on armored parts of the body, as well.

Killermandude · 18th April 2008, 19:02

I don't know how developed the aim system will be, or how far it will be taken, but if something hits me in the leg, it shouldnt' hurt near as much as something in the eye.

Weakspots/armored spots to focus on during combat.

Lord_Str1ker · 18th April 2008, 19:04

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Originally Posted by Rosco

I would like to see a bounty system be put in place. In PVP type of game it's always nice to be able to put a price on someones head.

Since this is easily exploited, I suggest a "contract" system be in place instead. As I mentioned in another topic, this is not easily exploited and it benefits both parties. Instead of going the route of killing in the bounty system, instead go the more approachable route of protecting, on say a certain quest or traveling between towns. It could easily be done and you could avoid having a bounty hunter skill tree (for it simply being exploitable, wouldn't want everyone being bounty hunters).

sny · 18th April 2008, 19:05

Heavy armour clinking sound while moving. Make characters wearing ringmail, scale mail or plate mail armours audible to anyone in their vicinity when they're moving... nobody should be able to sneak up inaudibly on a leather or cloth wearer while wearing several pounds of metal.

Lord_Str1ker · 18th April 2008, 19:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by sny

Heavy armour clinking sound while moving. Make characters wearing ringmail, scale mail or plate mail armours audible to anyone in their vicinity when they're moving... nobody should be able to sneak up inaudibly on a leather or cloth wearer while wearing several pounds of metal.

/signed

Uruz2012 · 18th April 2008, 19:35

This is more of a general thing for the devs to consider than an addition to the game itself.

Keep the forums the way they are now. I've been reading through them for the past few hours and there are very few if any "l2pnublolzroxorzboxorz!!!1!111!!" type of posts and it would be nice to see it stay that way.

Most official mmo forums end up becoming a cesspool of idiotic epeen flexing to some extent or another. The sad part about that is that it's not because the actual player community degenerates. It's because of lack of moderation by the company that runs the game.

The usual excuse is that it would cost too much to hire people to police the forums 24-7. Quite frankly, that's a bunch of BS. All it takes is a few people who ban/delete the posts of trolls/flamers. You don't even need to pay them. Look at most unofficial mmo forums. None of the mods on those forums are paid and yet the community stays friendly and helpful because the members think before they post.

Even if you did pay the mods you would see an increase in subscriptions. I don't know about others but before I start playing an mmo I check out the official forums because that tends to represent the game. If you think about it from a marketing stand point, which store would you rather go to:

Store A: All the other shoppers harass and ridicule you and the employees can't be bothered to answer your questions.

or

Store B: The other shoppers keep to themselves and seem happy with the place and the employees are nice and helpful.

I know where I would rather spend my money.

Maverick519 · 18th April 2008, 20:11

It would be cool if u could set ur arrows on fire. Or put poison on them so u can do more damage. Even if u don't kill him and he wins. He might get sick or something.

Nevvier · 18th April 2008, 21:16

An extension on Nox Vortem's idea: When a weapon hits something it should not pass all the way through the object (unless the object is also severed). It drives me crazy when I swing my sword at a guy and the blade goes through him and also hits the guy next to him (aka Savage/Savage2). For hitting people it would be nice if the weapon would only go so far into the body like 1 or 2 inches for example.

Item Storage in backpacks: It would look much better if long items like swords and polaxes for examples would not fit in backpacks but actually be strapped to the players back or sides.

Walking effects: different footstep sounds based on the type of the ground you are walking on.

Taking damage from falling

I don't know how many people have played Crysis, but they had a small feature that really helped immersion: when you approached a wall the character would lift his gun up so that it did not clip into the wall.

Recognizable constellations

Tracks staying on the ground for a reasonable amount of time, tracking then becomes following the markings on the ground rather than following an arrow. (This one might be really hard)

Furai · 19th April 2008, 04:58

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Originally Posted by Mats Persson

I really like this thread, and thank you Furai for keeping it updated! This has been made into a sticky, and will continue to be so as long as it is maintained (as long as Furai keeps it updated).

For me as a developer it's nice to drop in here now and then to read about features that not require a total re-design of the game to be implemented

(Although some of them are waaaay to "big" as they require a lot of time although looking "small" in some peoples eyes.) Some of them are already in the game since the beginning, but I will continue to keep an eye open for new "little things" here. Thanks!

Thank you very much. I'll be keeping this updated daily when possible, and at least weekly failing that.

My thanks to everyone who's been contributing, I added twenty new ideas alone in the last day. Well done, it's looking very good so far. Keep up the good work

ArmorSword · 19th April 2008, 08:16

To add a few comments:

Well I'll try to keep these 'little' things unfortunately as I see throughout this thread, most of these are not 'little' things, they are MAJOR additions to the game but hey ideas NEVER hurt! (sorry devs you have some very ambitious fans!)

Interaction is what I think the next step of MMOs need. As some have mentioned more Player-Creature interactions, such as different knock backs or VISUALLY seeing a parry instead of just *Your attack was blocked!*. I'd love to see an MMO where my weapon does not simply go through my target.
Not only creature interaction but Character-Character Interaction, such as group emotes or envirnonmental interactions, such /sit becomes /lean against tree when next to a tree or /sit .. /sit in chair. /sit on rock.

To actually SEE a bag on you representing your inventory is a very nice addition. One thing I'll hand to D&D online was the traveling bags and pots you physicallysaw on your char, nice little immersive touch.

Summary:
Monster-Weapon interactions
Character-Character: emotes
Character-Environment: Emotes
Visual representation of Inventory on chars.

F0rd · 19th April 2008, 17:41

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Originally Posted by ArmorSword

To actually SEE a bag on you representing your inventory is a very nice addition. One thing I'll hand to D&D online was the traveling bags and pots you physicallysaw on your char, nice little immersive touch.

This is something I've wanted for a long time, but to expand on that:

If I have a bag, I shouldn't be able to put something BIGGER than my bag in it, If I loot a guy's corpse and get all his armor, I would actually have to carry the majority of it WITHOUT the aid of my bag. Then, if I were ever brought in to combat, I would have to drop the armor I'm carrying in order to defend myself.

Also, as for PvE encounters: if you made it so that every fight took some amount of skill, but the occurrences of PvE fights were drastically reduced, it would add to the sense of immersion. I've never in my life seen so many wild animals as I have in WoW, or any other MMO/RPG, really.

And because this is touted as being a skill-based game, both for the player and character, PvP (sparring) could actually be the best way to raise skills, though I'd love more specifics on the combat system to see if this is even feasible.

EDIT: Another idea I really like, once again to add to the immersion, is if looting someone took time. You right click on your unfortunate victim, tell your character to loot his armor, and your character must take the time to unfasten the armor from your victim's body before you can take it off of him. It'd make people a lot more weary of what they take if the armor you lotted took time to loot, slowed your movement, and had to be dropped before a fight. Stealing it back -- or keeping it stolen -- would be just as much a part of a PvP experience as the actual killing was.

Cartheron · 19th April 2008, 18:19

You shouldn't be able to wear armour if it doesn't fit you. If you do you are penalized somehow. Same goes for weapons, seeing some Halfling running around with an ogre's double-handed-axe doesn't quite seem right. Maybe you have to take it to a crafter to get the weapon/armour adjusted for yourself to use or maybe you just have to sell it beacuse it's pointless and not worth the time and effort for that. This would be doubly so for "unique/legendary" items. That shield crafted from a dragons scales is all well and good, but if it was originally made for an orc and you are Halfling you might not even be ale to look over the top of it.

It could maybe even lessen the amount of looting of dead players as the time taken for changing/finding a buyer for the item isn't worth the hassle for basic items (obviously would be for more unique items), but it's still worth looting, rings, gold purse, daggers, bows etc. The easy currency.

OMGPIE · 20th April 2008, 02:34

Wow I think you covered almost everything I was thinking about especially weather effects with torches and arrows. Climbing trees would be awesome make a little rope ladder you can throw down and stand on it while shooting people or making the road a toll road. Knockback from a mace especially or arrows and concocting poisons would be cool for assassins. Lord Str1ker's idea of mount size and density would be absolutely amazing if they could put that in.

sonnyred · 20th April 2008, 12:02

16. A wide variety of pets with specialized abilities. For example, a falcon or hawk could scout an area and, if you were able to communicate with beasts, convey information about the surroundings to you.

I think this is a great idea. You could send your Falcon ahead to scout possible dangers, but it gets tired after something like 1 minute and returns, then it needs something like 30 minutes to get it's stamina back. This would mean you couldn't send your Falcon ahead all the time, you would have to use it more strategically. Also you could train a skill to improve the Falcon's stamina and/or recovery time.

I'm not sure how difficult this idea would be to implement but it's a great idea in my opinion.

sny · 20th April 2008, 12:09

Multiple celestial bodies on the skyscape. Now that we know day/night cycle is in, please make the world of MO have more than one sun/moon, it would be so awesome to gaze up at the morning/evening sky before heading out into the wild and see something you never get to see on Earth.

Furai · 20th April 2008, 15:56

Updated.

Good lord some of you people are up early (I hope it's just because you're in other countries haha). Anyway, I may have missed one here or there. When I get back later today I'll do a full check of all previous posts. Keep em coming

Pluro · 20th April 2008, 16:18

Well since there is a day and night cycle they will need timed realms (pacific,eastern,middle east) because I don't wanna log on every day at night

Son of a gun · 20th April 2008, 18:40

Didn't read every post so I hope I'm not repeating.

If you shoot arrows at a critter you should be able to recover some of your arrows when you loot it's body.

Have different colors of text to represent different emotional tones of speach. This is assuming there isn't an in-game voice chat feature. So, for example, red text could indicate an angry tone, maybe blue for cold and distant, greenish for sarcasm, stuff like that. And then if you speak to certain NPCs in an angry (red) tone they might get upset with you or even attack you.

Nox Vortem · 21st April 2008, 02:45

Has anyone mentioned the effect and animation for consuming food/ drink/ potions?
My opinion is that you can't eat/ drink and fight at the same time, well maybe you can try to. But if someone see you are about to put something into your mouth, they can deliver a well aimed shot/ blow to your arm, you should lose whatever you are about to consuming.
I haven't put much thoughts into this, but I hope something to be done to stop the Potion Spammers during the fight.

Kelianger · 22nd April 2008, 06:06

Here is something I would like to see in this game (sorry if my english sucks). They (the Devs) talked about guild who could build forteress and that looks nice but, what I would like to see is rank...I explain. I don't mean rank like in WoW but like military rank the guild leader could give to a member who did something great for the guild or a rank that could be attained by doing some sort of things.

I hope I'm clear I know it's not something though to add but I think that if you lead a nation, a country or a religion this could add some realism to the game adn it could also differ depending of what you are leading you know for exemple if it's a religion well you will propably have to name something like a pope who will lead you religion the way you want ect.

Nox Vortem · 24th April 2008, 17:24

A hunter's ideas:
First off, I have always asked why can't you ride whatever you tamed/ summoned?
This is so irritating to see your pet running along side, he's bigger than your mount and you CAN'T RIDE HIM!
SO please make it so that hunter/ ranger/ summoner whatever... can ride their pet.

Secondly, I want to see some sort of craftable camouflage clothings in the game because that's what hunting about: Remain unseen until you get the shot.

Thirdly, I beg the developing team to allow players to climb tree and scale wall.

These changes will make the hunter class really what they are and not just another archer/ summoner.

18th April 2008, 21:16	#53 (permalink)
Nevvier Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 29 Rep Power: 1	An extension on Nox Vortem's idea: When a weapon hits something it should not pass all the way through the object (unless the object is also severed). It drives me crazy when I swing my sword at a guy and the blade goes through him and also hits the guy next to him (aka Savage/Savage2). For hitting people it would be nice if the weapon would only go so far into the body like 1 or 2 inches for example. Item Storage in backpacks: It would look much better if long items like swords and polaxes for examples would not fit in backpacks but actually be strapped to the players back or sides. Walking effects: different footstep sounds based on the type of the ground you are walking on. Taking damage from falling I don't know how many people have played Crysis, but they had a small feature that really helped immersion: when you approached a wall the character would lift his gun up so that it did not clip into the wall. Recognizable constellations Tracks staying on the ground for a reasonable amount of time, tracking then becomes following the markings on the ground rather than following an arrow. (This one might be really hard) __________________ - Vae Victis

19th April 2008, 08:16	#55 (permalink)
ArmorSword Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 40 Rep Power: 1	To add a few comments: Well I'll try to keep these 'little' things unfortunately as I see throughout this thread, most of these are not 'little' things, they are MAJOR additions to the game but hey ideas NEVER hurt! (sorry devs you have some very ambitious fans!) Interaction is what I think the next step of MMOs need. As some have mentioned more Player-Creature interactions, such as different knock backs or VISUALLY seeing a parry instead of just Your attack was blocked!. I'd love to see an MMO where my weapon does not simply go through my target. Not only creature interaction but Character-Character Interaction, such as group emotes or envirnonmental interactions, such /sit becomes /lean against tree when next to a tree or /sit .. /sit in chair. /sit on rock. To actually SEE a bag on you representing your inventory is a very nice addition. One thing I'll hand to D&D online was the traveling bags and pots you physicallysaw on your char, nice little immersive touch. Summary: Monster-Weapon interactions Character-Character: emotes Character-Environment: Emotes Visual representation of Inventory on chars. __________________ Our prayers have been answered... Last edited by ArmorSword : 19th April 2008 at 08:19.

20th April 2008, 02:34	#58 (permalink)
OMGPIE Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 1,504 Rep Power: 4	Wow I think you covered almost everything I was thinking about especially weather effects with torches and arrows. Climbing trees would be awesome make a little rope ladder you can throw down and stand on it while shooting people or making the road a toll road. Knockback from a mace especially or arrows and concocting poisons would be cool for assassins. Lord Str1ker's idea of mount size and density would be absolutely amazing if they could put that in. __________________

20th April 2008, 16:18	#62 (permalink)
Pluro Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: USA Posts: 174 Rep Power: 1	Well since there is a day and night cycle they will need timed realms (pacific,eastern,middle east) because I don't wanna log on every day at night __________________ The Unreal Engine 3 The Game will Run on this... its so sick

21st April 2008, 02:45	#64 (permalink)
Nox Vortem Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Canada Posts: 130 Rep Power: 1	Has anyone mentioned the effect and animation for consuming food/ drink/ potions? My opinion is that you can't eat/ drink and fight at the same time, well maybe you can try to. But if someone see you are about to put something into your mouth, they can deliver a well aimed shot/ blow to your arm, you should lose whatever you are about to consuming. I haven't put much thoughts into this, but I hope something to be done to stop the Potion Spammers during the fight. __________________

18th April 2008, 18:00	#43 (permalink)
Rosco Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 10 Rep Power: 1	I would like to see a bounty system be put in place. In PVP type of game it's always nice to be able to put a price on someones head.

18th April 2008, 19:05	#49 (permalink)
sny Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Heavy armour clinking sound while moving. Make characters wearing ringmail, scale mail or plate mail armours audible to anyone in their vicinity when they're moving... nobody should be able to sneak up inaudibly on a leather or cloth wearer while wearing several pounds of metal.

18th April 2008, 19:35	#51 (permalink)
Uruz2012 Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Duluth, MN Age: 23 Posts: 100 Rep Power: 1	This is more of a general thing for the devs to consider than an addition to the game itself. Keep the forums the way they are now. I've been reading through them for the past few hours and there are very few if any "l2pnublolzroxorzboxorz!!!1!111!!" type of posts and it would be nice to see it stay that way. Most official mmo forums end up becoming a cesspool of idiotic epeen flexing to some extent or another. The sad part about that is that it's not because the actual player community degenerates. It's because of lack of moderation by the company that runs the game. The usual excuse is that it would cost too much to hire people to police the forums 24-7. Quite frankly, that's a bunch of BS. All it takes is a few people who ban/delete the posts of trolls/flamers. You don't even need to pay them. Look at most unofficial mmo forums. None of the mods on those forums are paid and yet the community stays friendly and helpful because the members think before they post. Even if you did pay the mods you would see an increase in subscriptions. I don't know about others but before I start playing an mmo I check out the official forums because that tends to represent the game. If you think about it from a marketing stand point, which store would you rather go to: Store A: All the other shoppers harass and ridicule you and the employees can't be bothered to answer your questions. or Store B: The other shoppers keep to themselves and seem happy with the place and the employees are nice and helpful. I know where I would rather spend my money.

18th April 2008, 20:11	#52 (permalink)
Maverick519 Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 57 Rep Power: 0	It would be cool if u could set ur arrows on fire. Or put poison on them so u can do more damage. Even if u don't kill him and he wins. He might get sick or something.

19th April 2008, 18:19	#57 (permalink)
Cartheron Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 26 Rep Power: 1	You shouldn't be able to wear armour if it doesn't fit you. If you do you are penalized somehow. Same goes for weapons, seeing some Halfling running around with an ogre's double-handed-axe doesn't quite seem right. Maybe you have to take it to a crafter to get the weapon/armour adjusted for yourself to use or maybe you just have to sell it beacuse it's pointless and not worth the time and effort for that. This would be doubly so for "unique/legendary" items. That shield crafted from a dragons scales is all well and good, but if it was originally made for an orc and you are Halfling you might not even be ale to look over the top of it. It could maybe even lessen the amount of looting of dead players as the time taken for changing/finding a buyer for the item isn't worth the hassle for basic items (obviously would be for more unique items), but it's still worth looting, rings, gold purse, daggers, bows etc. The easy currency.

20th April 2008, 12:02	#59 (permalink)
sonnyred Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 44 Rep Power: 1	16. A wide variety of pets with specialized abilities. For example, a falcon or hawk could scout an area and, if you were able to communicate with beasts, convey information about the surroundings to you. I think this is a great idea. You could send your Falcon ahead to scout possible dangers, but it gets tired after something like 1 minute and returns, then it needs something like 30 minutes to get it's stamina back. This would mean you couldn't send your Falcon ahead all the time, you would have to use it more strategically. Also you could train a skill to improve the Falcon's stamina and/or recovery time. I'm not sure how difficult this idea would be to implement but it's a great idea in my opinion.

20th April 2008, 12:09	#60 (permalink)
sny Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Budapest, Hungary Posts: 8 Rep Power: 0	Multiple celestial bodies on the skyscape. Now that we know day/night cycle is in, please make the world of MO have more than one sun/moon, it would be so awesome to gaze up at the morning/evening sky before heading out into the wild and see something you never get to see on Earth.

20th April 2008, 15:56	#61 (permalink)
Furai Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 30 Rep Power: 1	Updated. Good lord some of you people are up early (I hope it's just because you're in other countries haha). Anyway, I may have missed one here or there. When I get back later today I'll do a full check of all previous posts. Keep em coming

20th April 2008, 18:40	#63 (permalink)
Son of a gun Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 84 Rep Power: 1	Didn't read every post so I hope I'm not repeating. If you shoot arrows at a critter you should be able to recover some of your arrows when you loot it's body. Have different colors of text to represent different emotional tones of speach. This is assuming there isn't an in-game voice chat feature. So, for example, red text could indicate an angry tone, maybe blue for cold and distant, greenish for sarcasm, stuff like that. And then if you speak to certain NPCs in an angry (red) tone they might get upset with you or even attack you.

22nd April 2008, 06:06	#65 (permalink)
Kelianger Newbie Join Date: Apr 2008 Posts: 1 Rep Power: 0	Here is something I would like to see in this game (sorry if my english sucks). They (the Devs) talked about guild who could build forteress and that looks nice but, what I would like to see is rank...I explain. I don't mean rank like in WoW but like military rank the guild leader could give to a member who did something great for the guild or a rank that could be attained by doing some sort of things. I hope I'm clear I know it's not something though to add but I think that if you lead a nation, a country or a religion this could add some realism to the game adn it could also differ depending of what you are leading you know for exemple if it's a religion well you will propably have to name something like a pope who will lead you religion the way you want ect.